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Ami Anne
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posted May 23, 2013 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
AA, just a note of caution. Please don`t cross the line with references to Ishmael and his lineage.



I can say whatever the Bible says, Juni. God wrote the Bible, Juni, not me. Keep that fact in mind

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posted May 23, 2013 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just so everyone knows the Bible verse in question, I will quote it from various translations

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posted May 23, 2013 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have been gently reminded in advance, that ethnic divisive measures couched by artful Biblical interpretation is off limits.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Genesis 16:12 New Living Translation (©2007)
This son of yours will be a wild man, as untamed as a wild donkey! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all his relatives.

English Revised Version
And he shall be as a wild-ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.


American Standard Version
And he shall be as a wild ass among men; his hand'shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren


Take it up with God, Friends.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oil?! Ami, my friend, get your mind out of the gutter. Did you not read my post? Do you understand what the circumcision and the twelve sons and the bush mean? Do you understand what Egypt means?

I understand the first covenant. I understand the Jews were separated, and with good cause that is no more. I understand they were painstakingly groomed both spiritually and physically so that a vessel could be made among them worthy of the incarnating Christ. I understand that while the Christ was not meant to incarnate in Ishmael's tribe, many of the blessings promised Isaac were given also to Ishmael. And if you could get past your anger and your pain you too might better understand the meaning of these passages from Genesis.

Further, I also understand what Israel, in the spiritual sense, truly means and it is most decidedly not a small country on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps this thread should be locked before it gets worse.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
You have been gently reminded in advance, that ethnic divisive measures couched by artful Biblical interpretation is off limits.


I am quoting the Bible, Juni. That is all.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway, Friends. You can accept the Bible or reject it, as you see fit. I am God's humble servant putting it forth to you. The choice is yours.


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posted May 23, 2013 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I love when people call me names


Which is par for the course, mademoiselle is a term of respect, in one's twisted world view one cannot see it.

Will you not come down from your ivory tower and be a person?

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posted May 23, 2013 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Which is par for the course, mademoiselle is a term of respect, in one's twisted world view one cannot see it.

Will you not come down from your ivory tower and be a person?



I can't follow you but I love to be called names of endearment. It is so sexy


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posted May 23, 2013 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by shura:
oil?! Ami, my friend, get your mind out of the gutter. Did you not read my post? Do you understand what the circumcision and the twelve sons and the bush mean? Do you understand what Egypt means?

I understand the first covenant. I understand the Jews were separated, and with good cause that is no more. I understand they were painstakingly groomed both spiritually and physically so that a vessel could be made among them worthy of the incarnating Christ. I understand that while the Christ was not meant to incarnate in Ishmael's tribe, many of the blessings promised Isaac were given also to Ishmael. And if you could get past your anger and your pain you too might better understood the meaning of these passages from Genesis.

Further, I also understand what Israel, in the spiritual sense, truly means and it is most decidedly not a small country on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea.


Well Shura, I suspect you see as I see, we are all the same family under the sky, would not like this one being locked due to AA's martyr complex (misguided though it is).

If those who are spiritual, sat under a night sky in a field, and kept silent, would all of this occur?

No, I suspect it would not, divisions are a product of teaching, not of being alive so to speak.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Bible is not the problem, the interpreter is.

I have zero tolerance for anyone who attempts to divide and try to conquer ethnic cultures based on a rabid ideology of a Holy text.

Tha`s what terrorists do.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, the God of the Bible is not Allah. The God of the Bible is Love and promotes love and peace. He does nor promote hatred of woman, oppression and terrorism. He does not promote terrible inhumanity to man. They are not the same God-- no way, no how.


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posted May 23, 2013 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I can't follow you but I love to be called names of endearment. It is so sexy


AA, such a simple thing, and yet one wishes to instruct others?

Pride, overweening pride, is a terrible terrible thing, be gentle as a dove and yet wise.

The parable is:

God and the Devil were arguing over a single man on the road, the adversary said:

"I bet I can get him to take off his jacket"

To which, the Most High said "go ahead"

So the adversary caused the wind to blow and the rain to fall and the sun to be hidden behind clouds

At which, the lone traveler clutched his jacket ever tighter and tighter.

The Most High, simply let the sun shine brighter and brighter, the lone man begin to get warm, and warmer, until finally he took off the jacket on his own accord.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No, the God of the Bible is not Allah. The God of the Bible is Love and promotes love and peace. He does nor promote hatred of woman, oppression and terrorism. They are not the same God-- no way, no how.


Blessings to you all.



Ya to go and do it any how, didn`t you.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Well Shura, I suspect you see as I see, we are all the same family under the sky ..

Indeed we are, brother. The time of tribal separation is long past. The Age of Christ and the New Covenant is come. The Son of God came for all nations.

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If those who are spiritual, sat under a night sky in a field, and kept silent, would all of this occur?

No, I suspect it would not, divisions are a product of teaching, not of being alive so to speak.


not of being alive ... yes. I like that That is so very true.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No, the God of the Bible is not Allah. The God of the Bible is Love and promotes love and peace. He does nor promote hatred of woman, oppression and terrorism. He does not promote terrible inhumanity to man.[b] They are not the same God-- no way, no how.


Blessings to you all.

[/B]



Yes, Juni. This is the truth and everyone knows it in their spirit, unless they are lying to themselves. Why are they lying to themselves. I know the reason but that is another story for another day!


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Well Shura, I suspect you see as I see, we are all the same family under the sky, would not like this one being locked due to AA's martyr complex (misguided though it is).


got you. Plus it exposes the agenda when let run wild.

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posted May 23, 2013 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Night Friends!


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posted May 23, 2013 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I most certainly hope our Arab brethern Know there are Christians who don`t hold these ideologies and don`t hold it against LL or her responsible citizens for such

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posted May 23, 2013 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from ami...

He does nor promote hatred of woman, oppression and terrorism.

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but he promotes sacrifice
and to have faith in human
sacrifice!? that's from
your weather string...


I'm scratching my head...

Do you truly believe that
the Bible is pure, at this
point?
That humans haven't tampered
with it, in their favor, as
in Our Father
not Our Father and Mother
who art in Heaven,
and our daughter
and the Holy Ghost
she's the Most!

Really Ami,
do you really believe
in your Heart
in a God of
Wrath and Human Sacrifice!?

I believe Jesus
did not die on the Cross..

and yes, they saw him
walking 3 days later,
cuz, guess what?
He was ALIVE!!!

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it says he sacrificed his
one and only son
for our sins...

How in the World
can anybody be
okay with this!?

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posted May 23, 2013 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
isn't human sacrifice
alot like terrorism!!??

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posted May 23, 2013 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Yes, Juni. This is the truth and everyone knows it in their spirit, unless they are lying to themselves. Why are they lying to themselves. I know the reason but that is another story for another day!


This is fear based thinking, in my opinion. Fear is faith in evil. The Arabs are not evil, the Muslims are not evil. Ami, even your mother was not evil.

I perceive the hand of Christ behind all religions. He is known by many faces and many names. Akhenaten saw Him coming from the sun, Arjuna speaks with Him in the Gita, Muhammad knew Him in the Cave. Like a master craftsman's signature style, once you've truly seen it, you will recognize his handiwork anywhere.

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posted May 23, 2013 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
I most certainly hope our Arab brethern Know there are Christians who don`t hold these ideologies and don`t hold it against LL or her responsible citizens for such


Depends, by that I mean subtle approval of actions, and the over the top rejection of actions and the simple peace that the faith of Islam gives them.

One can "feel" even words on a screen, when one is spiritual, it blares like a stuck horn.


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