posted May 23, 2013 10:20 AM            

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posted May 23, 2013 10:21 AM            

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posted May 23, 2013 05:07 PM            

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16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren

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posted May 23, 2013 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/16.html

Are you saying that the lineage has been passed down as a genetic racial trait would be?

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God gave this group the inability to get along with each other, so they could not destroy Israel. Have you seen the map of the Middle East. All the Arab countries are huge, huge land masses and Israel is so tiny. It is the size of NJ.

Can you imagine if the Jews wanted to get together and destroy someone. They are a united people. If the Arabs were united, Israel would be gone and with it God's plan for the world.

The sons of Ishmael can only unite when they have an enemy but if/when that enemy is vanquished, they fight among their many factions.

How else could Israel still be here after all the many attempts to destroy her.

Israel shows the world that God still exists and that the Bible is true. The Jewish person still being alive and a united people after ALL the attempts to destroy them( us) shows that God is still here and that He exists.
Praise the Lord

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posted May 23, 2013 06:07 PM            

I will bless those that bless thee and CURSE those who curse thee.

The Kennedy family curse is thought to be because Joe was a rabid Anti Semite That is speculation, of course, but the promise from the Bible is not.

That is why if a person is an Anti-Semite, I laugh at it. They will get theirs

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posted May 23, 2013 06:13 PM            

Which would then mean Christ's death was in vain as it is not sufficient for all.

posted May 23, 2013 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Uhm yeah, so the whole new and better Covenant thingy doesn't exist.

Which would then mean Christ's death was in vain as it is not sufficient for all.

Thanks for playing AA.

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WHAT are you talking about? The OT promises can never, ever be abrogated. God made specific promises to Israel. God can never, ever break His promises. If he did, the Heavens would fall to the earth. It says this in one of the Psalms

Padre, you have to divide groups of people or your theology will be mush, with all due respect.

The Jews and the Church( saved Jews and Gentiles) are two different groups with different promises!

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posted May 23, 2013 06:31 PM            

One has to separate groups and time periods. If not, one can make the Bible say what one wants and the Bible is easy to understand if one uses simple, proper study principles.

Any body of study has its principles or the whole thing is a mush.

You really need to take guidance, Padre. I say it with love, not being a jerk

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posted May 23, 2013 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Padre
We have been through this. Your Bible interpretation does not follow the guidelines that one needs.

One has to separate groups and time periods. If not, one can make the Bible say what one wants and the Bible is easy to understand if one uses simple, proper study principles.

Any body of study has its principles or the whole thing is a mush.

You really need to take guidance, Padre. I say it with love, not being a jerk

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Guidelines set by whom pray tell?

posted May 23, 2013 06:46 PM            

All scholars agree that you HAVE to separate groups and time periods. There is not way to mush these things all together like you do, with all due respect.

It is a total violation of the study of Scripture. It is like whacky, to be real lol

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posted May 23, 2013 08:08 PM            

Is it possible that the word is meant to be read by each and every believer to see what it has to say and to not be spoonfed by someone?

To put it another way, if you have a Bible and it opens, why heap upon oneself teachers?

posted May 23, 2013 08:11 PM            

There are Bible schools. There are Bible scholars. They disagree on some points but they don't just open the Bible and play pin the tail on the donkey

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posted May 23, 2013 08:16 PM            

AFTER you know the basics, you can get creative but not before. Wherever you got your ideas, Padre, they are not right.

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posted May 23, 2013 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Oh of course, cemeteries, err, seminaries, can replace what one learns for oneself.

Insert laughter to derision>>>>>>here

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I know about the cemeteries and I agree 100% but you go the opposite way.

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posted May 23, 2013 08:18 PM            

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posted May 23, 2013 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The churches mess up the Bible, too. There is Replacement Theology and other Bull garbage but still you have everything all a mush, Padre. You make no sense because of it.

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Indeed Mademoiselle, I am merely a petty player who struts and fruts my hour upon the stage and is heard from no more.

There is of course, the off chance, that one is incorrect and has heaped upon oneself teachers who are merely saying what you wish to hear..

posted May 23, 2013 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Indeed Mademoiselle, I am merely a petty player who struts and fruts my hour upon the stage and is heard from no more.

There is of course, the off chance, that one is incorrect and has heaped upon oneself teachers who are merely saying what you wish to hear..

Naah.

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posted May 23, 2013 08:47 PM            

God said further to Abraham, “Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. “This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: every male among you shall be circumcised. “And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you.

And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. In the very same day Abraham was circumcised, and Ishmael his son.

And Abraham said to God, “Oh that Ishmael might live before You!” But God said, “No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. “As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

When the water in the skin was used up, she left the boy under one of the bushes. Then she went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away, for she said, “Do not let me see the boy die.” And she sat opposite him, and lifted up her voice and wept. God heard the lad crying; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter with you, Hagar? Do not fear, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. “Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him by the hand, for I will make a great nation of him.” Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled the skin with water and gave the lad a drink.
God was with the lad, and he grew; and he lived in the wilderness and became an archer. He lived in the wilderness of Paran, and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.

This last passage in particular boasts massive esoteric symbolism. Humbling. How can the account of Hagar, who saw the face of God and lived, and her son Ishmael, blessed by God, be read negatively by anyone approaching the texts in the spirit of Christ?

posted May 23, 2013 08:51 PM            

God had a plan to redeem the world. It was a plan that had the Jews at the center. That is just a fact, Shura.

Sorry you don't like it

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posted May 23, 2013 08:52 PM            

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posted May 23, 2013 09:03 PM            

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This last passage in particular boasts massive esoteric symbolism. Humbling. How can the account of Hagar, who saw the face of God and lived, and her son Ishmael, blessed by God, be read negatively by anyone approaching the texts in the spirit of Christ?

God have mercy on those souls who read the holy books and see hate.

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Ah! I have missed you!

posted May 23, 2013 09:04 PM            

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