posted March 03, 2013 10:56 PM            

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Sailor Gemini: Dimitra rules Virgo
Hera rules Taurus
Venus rules Libra
Most people forget that the ancient rulers of the signs don't go away. Yes, Ares rules Aries and Scorpius, Dias rules Sagittarius and Pisces, and Kronos still rules Capricornus and Aquarius, BUT when Ouranos, Poseidonas and Hades were discovered, they had qualities similar to the signs they rule. Dimitra had Persephone on her own without the need of a man, and Hera was the jealous wife who wanted a stable marriage. See any connections?

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posted March 04, 2013 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Personally I associate venus more with money luxuries (taurus) and partnerships (libra). Thats definitely how traditional astrology sees these planets.

Love is really associated with the moon so is fertility, love is an emotion.

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Definitely agree with this! In my own experience, the two are linked in synastry. Like, Venus represents the outer/giving of love while the Moon represents not only the way we want to receive love, not only or innate response to love, but also how we feel love. Like me, I give love in a very Venus is Cancer way. I'm also attracted to external qualities of Cancer in women. However, I feel love/emotions like the qualities of Libra. This is strengthened in my chart because by sign, my Venus and Moon are in mutual reception (Venus in Cancer, Moon in Libra).

This is why in synastry, I look for those Moon/Venus connections.

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted March 04, 2013 11:33 AM            

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Sailor Gemini: @ Kerosene, well, I learned the names like everyone else did, but when I learned about Greek mythology, I used their Greek Names.

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posted March 04, 2013 02:24 PM            

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posted March 04, 2013 02:37 PM            

either way, the reason Venus rules both Libra and Taurus but Libra is the masculine sign, while the Bull is considered feminine, can be very easily understood, when you drop the need for this "Planet" business, and remember the zodiac comes from the constellation.
Each star in the constellation has a name and meaning... if you are using Western astrology - then you look at the Western region mythology of that constellation and better yet, you look at each individual star.

Remember that ancient people didn't distinguish "Planet, Moon, Asteroid, Star" like it is today. First there were only stars. And, the ancient people used them all as tools... to better explain creation, the learned men and women would use mythology...
The same way imagination play is used to teach children still today. That is the way knowledge was passed along and preserved.

There's no need to get hung up on planetary rulers like people often do today. Stars and mythology are the basis for astrology. Again, I wish there were an area dedicated to this study here, but those who are willing to keep the old wisdom and traditions alive will find a way, and seek that path out.

I could explain each of the reasons for Libra and Taurus, and even explain over 5 different mythologies revolving around Virgo and Libra.

But, it really deserves its own place and this thread too shall pass. ~ I mean get swept under a dozen others.... ~__~;

for the love of Olympos~

Latin/English - Jupiter

Roman/Greek Loan - Dios Pater ("God Father" - both from GREEK)

Modern English - Zeus

Ancient Greek - Dzeos (there's no "Dz" in English), but anyway, Zeus's name comes from an earlier word for "(grain) Seed" - because Kronos was himself an agricultural god and Zeus was meant to replace him as region to region was conquered and as with every deity anywhere, they suck up and merge with local/regional preexisting deities, and all get handsome new titles, many personas/epithets as time progresses)... anyway - again... digressing... Eos and Hera (H is silent), are all older words than their popular mythology lets on, Era... actually predates her husband/brother and father... /sigh Matriarchal societies like hers were washed away and her own figure was entwined with Aphrodite, so your Venus.... is Hera, by earliest context, by default even. - And, Zeus... is just Kronos under the rule of another faction of ancient human conquerors/survivors...

Ades (Hades/Ade), is quite old, but not as old as Era and Eros by the by... Poseidon is a foreign and much younger invention... Amphitrite/Triton, are but slightly older but also were epithets, and Thetis is older still, Pontus is one of the oldest, but it is an epithet to an older deity, who was probably foreign as well. For the ancient Greeks, the eldest sea gods were feminine too... Tethys (probably where Thetis itself comes from) was definitely premiere, Keto may also be one of the earliest primordial sea goddesses or gods (keto does not have to have any gender at all).

Aphrodite was associated firstly with other goddesses, before becoming her own... she can be any one of the mother goddesses that came first. Her rule was not simple to define, and it should not be today either. Venus-Aphrodite rules many things that she is not given any credit for today... this is due to modern society simplifying and romanticizing her character... as a deity of mothers, fertility, reproduction, merchants, the coin, and of death, and war, and two dozen other things... Venus is probably the most misunderstood goddess and planet next to Pluto and Saturn.

--- I've gone on a lot - but I won't anymore...

Virgo will always be Astraea/Inanna/Erigone to me, and Libra will forever be Dike/Inanna/Pallas Athene to me. Taurus will always be what it is, and nothing more...

Ceres and the Kore could represent Virgo, and it wouldn't bother me any... no matter which planet or dwarf planet is recognized to them, their constellation will function the same... But, I absolutely do not want to see a hypothetical being introduced as a ruler, or a smaller asteroid body... There are enough confirmed dwarf planets, and moons/larger asteroids that were once recognized/introduced as planets... no reason to make them up... and, I'd really rather they keep things beyond main belt out of the question... I really do not like the idea of having trans-Neptunian object rulership to a sign... While I see nothing wrong with Chiron, and the Centaurs... they're also not on any list of mine to become planetary co-rulers... lol

posted March 04, 2013 03:11 PM            

Inanna Ishtar was a war and fertility goddess

she was many things.

You'll find the post under this topic -

Saturn and Obsession

Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Aphrodite, Demeter, Cybele, Rhea, Aschera, Astarte, Astrid, Frigg, Freya, Danu, Babh, Macha, Anu, are each tied into the same sort of goddess worship. From times when women had more power than they are later given... women were feared, female goddesses were feared.

the mushy, romanticizing of their tales does greatly discredit the huge scope of their power. But, this is what happens... in time, I doubt any goddess will have any association with anything beyond physical beauty, and sex , and innocence... which no doubt will evolve into corrupted innocence instead, with how things are going in today's society... but, hey~ that may lead back to fearing them.. haha *crosses fingers*

Anyway - there are too many things not being considered these days... I'm nearly out of hope and faith in the field. The study may be progressing, but the history is withering away... narrow-mindednesss, ignorance, and apathy have taken over in many places... I don't expect people to be bound to the old ways, but I feel they should be kept in mind, reviewed, and give us much to learn from... too much to be ignored.

posted March 04, 2013 05:46 PM            

But i completely disagree with Saturn or Chiron ruling Virgo. I also think Mercury is completely gemini.

Speaking on a plural rulership, if we're already sharing the smallest planet with someone, then do you really think the energy of a tiny asteroid will balance the power of the sign. Chirons story is so depressing. Virgos are not wounded healers. We know how to f*ck off (sorry about the language) when we see we arent appreciated and always find somewhere better. Water signs are more of a wounded healer because They put way more emotions into people. If were going to do a plural rulership. We need another planet like scorpio has mars/pluto aquarius has uranus/saturn pisces has jupiter/neptune. An asteroid just wont completely fill virgi which is why nobody can even decided on one particular asteroid candidate. As for planets as co rulers. Saturn is not at all good for a mutable sign like another user explained. Saturn is like putting a Too large rusty chain on a virgo. Well just get irritated and go nuts with that energy. Any type of asteroid anyone could come up with will make us Virgos fill like a stomach thats never full or satisfied.

everyone is focusing so hard on the analytical, critical traits of virgo like were just a emotionless computer or something that there forgetting the real virgo definition. The maiden, the mother, the goddess. What about that most virgos are as freedom loving as Any other mutable. Or creative. We have emotional aspects. Every virgo i know is deeply sensitive and intuiti e. Their love is something hard to.find. We cant find a singular ruler for virgo..the other planets are in respective places.

Mercury as a co ruler represents the mental virgo

The moon as a co ruler fills the emotional side of virgo. Mystery, sereneness, loving, patient, nurturing, Subtle, helpful like the moons light.

Even pluto is a co-ruler candidate. Virgo has dark and light sides. Being a mutable when the season of life dies we are the strongest transformation of the seasons. Besides persephone is plutos wife.

posted March 04, 2013 07:38 PM            

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Sailor Gemini: What do you think of Hera ruling Taurus?

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