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Node Knowflake Posts: 1621 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 18, 2009 04:22 PM
True Lilith is 14 Taurus
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oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 944 From: South Carolina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 19, 2009 09:38 AM
Node: I am curious. How did you find Isis-Trans, and Hades? And what does Nemesis mean? Its exactly conj my NN/Musa. And I am not familiar with that one. *sigh* So much to learn! Thanks!IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1621 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 19, 2009 07:41 PM
RE: Transpluto Isis - The short answer is-- that a group of Germans founded what is called the Hamburg School. Uranian Astrology. They used new techniques and methods, Cosmobiology, Mid-points, and the 90 degree dial. One guy Whitte or Witte I believe- intuited 4 of the hypothetical points / planets. There are 8 in all. Some people feel that they are useless, as some astrologers are also leery of asteroid use. These hypotheticals have been used with great success on well publicized occasions. Rectification of the USA chart for one, using Uranian. There is also the case where discoveries have been made..only to disappear. With new modern technology some of these have been rediscovered, and reassigned the designation number. At the very bottom of the extended chart section, below the box where you type in inclusions are blue hyperlinks. Click on them and you will find Apollos, Attens, transneptunian hypotheticals...the lot. quick fix Please note, it is known with certainty that these planets do NOT exist. "Uranian planets" (Hamburg School): h40 Cupido h41 Hades h42 Zeus h43 Kronos h44 Apollon h45 Admetos h46 Vulkanus h47 Poseidon or hh all of them together Other hypothetical bodies: h48 Transpluto-Isis h49 Nibiru h50 Harrington h55 Vulcan h56 Selena/White Moon h57 Proserpina h58 Waldemath Black Moon this is a great article about Transpluto-->http://www.astralis.it/tp.htm Nemisis one sourceNemesis, the messenger of Justice, is Retribution or Divine Vengeance, and the one who established the decree that transfers the soul from body to body. Therefore she is feared; but some artists, being persuaded that Nemesis manifests herself as a consequence of love, have given wings to Nemesis as they do to Love, who also appears winged. This goddess is implacable to men of violence, but she is best known for deeply disliking the absence of moderation, and for being zealous in re-establishing order and proportion through the punishment of excesses of pride and undeserved happiness. Nemesis puts to sleep presumptuous boasting and checks offensive words, exacting a heavy penalty for them. Accordingly, those who, feeling the nearness of Fortune, abuse others, are sooner or later fated to meet Nemesis, when Fortune, who ignores constancy, has departed. Not long from Marathon, where the mighty Persian army was defeated by the Athenians in historical times (490 BC), there was a sanctuary and statue of Nemesis. It is told that the Persians' pride was such that they believed that nothing stood in the way of their taking Athens. Accordingly, they brought a piece of Parian marble to make a trophy to celebrate their victory, being persuaded that their task was already accomplished. But as it happened, they met defeat, and of this same piece of marble, the Athenian sculptor Phidias made a statue of Nemesis, the goddess who punishes the proud. It is told that when Zeus attempted to consort with Nemesis, she changed into a fish and other dread creatures in order to escape him. But when she turned into a goose, the god, turning himself into a swan, consorted with her. As the fruit of their love, she laid an egg that was found by a shepherd who in turn gave it to Leda. From this egg, Helen (the curse of both Achaeans and Trojans) was hatched in due time, being brought up as Leda's daughter IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 1901 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 10, 2009 12:02 PM
"Josef Mengele .. born in Gunzburg, Bavaria on 16 March 1911. .. Sun in Pisces"what a ******* ******* , a piece of **** , an ******* this ******* was a doctor" who did experiences on people in camps. i pass the type of "experiment"; a real ******* . the worst of the worst. and this was a pisces? i'd prefer to eat 1 kg of vomit than shake his dirty hands IP: Logged |
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posted November 10, 2009 12:47 PM
Excerpt from: The Mask of Sanity by Hervey Cleckley, M.D.The Psychopath as Physician: ~ http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/sanity25.htm ~ IP: Logged |
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posted November 10, 2009 12:54 PM
*~~ // "Josef Mengele .. born in Gunzburg, Bavaria on 16 March 1911. .. Sun in Pisces"what a ******* ******* , a piece of **** // ~~* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " .. And the dark fish knows no limits either .. His name is Power. .. " ~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/sign.pisces.html ~ IP: Logged |
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posted November 10, 2009 01:11 PM
The Mask of Sanity by Hervey Cleckley, M.D. .. .pdf file download link .. ( 1.3 meg ) .. ~ http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.pdf book contents : .. SECTION ONE --- AN OUTLINE OF THE PROBLEM 1 Sanity-a protean concept, 3 2 Traditions that obscure our subject, 10 3 Not as single spies but in battalions, 17 4 Method of presentation, 20 SECTION TWO --- THE MATERIAL PART I -- The disorder in full clinical manifestations 5 Max. 29 6 Roberta, 46 7 Arnold, 55 8 Tom, 64 9 George, 70 10 Pierre, 77 11 Frank, 93 12 Anna, 102 13 Jack, 121 14 Chester, 127 15 Walter, 136 16 Joe, 146 17 Milt, 159 18 Gregory, 167 19 Stanley, 174 PART II -- Incomplete manifestations or suggestions of the disorder 20 Degrees of disguise in essential pathology, 188 21 The psychopath as businessman, 193 22 The psychopath as man of the world, 196 23 The psychopath as gentleman, 199 24 The psychopath as scientist, 203 25 The psychopath as physician, 205 26 The psychopath as psychiatrist, 208 SECTION THREE --- CATALOGING THE MATERIAL PART I -- Orientation 27 Conceptual confusions which cloud the subject, 225 28 Clarifying the approach, 237 PART II -- A comparison with other disorders 29 Purpose of this step, 244 30 The psychotic, 245 31 Deviations recognized as similar to the psychoses but regarded as incomplete or less severe reactions, 248 32 The psychoneurotic, 256 33 The mental defective, 259 34 The ordinary criminal, 261 35 Other character and behavior disorders, including delinquency, 267 36 A case showing circumscribed behavior disorder, 272 37 Specific homosexuality and other consistent sexual deviations, 286 38 The erratic man of genius, 293 39 The injudicious hedonist and some other drinkers, 306 40 The clinical alcoholic, 312 41 The malingerer, 316 42 Fictional characters of psychiatric interest, 316 43 The psychopath in history, 326 PART III -- A clinical profile 44 Synopsis and orientation, 337 45 Superficial charm and good "intelligence," 338 46 Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking, 339 47 Absence of "nervousness" or psychoneurotic manifestations, 339 48 Unreliability, 340 49 Untruthfulness and insincerity, 341 50 Lack of remorse or shame, 343 51 Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior, 343 52 Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience, 345 53 Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love, 346 54 General poverty in major affective reactions, 348 55 Specific loss of insight, 350 56 Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations, 354 57 Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink and sometimes without, 355 58 Suicide rarely carried out, 358 59 Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated, 359 60 Failure to follow any life plan, 364 SECTION FOUR --- SOME QUESTIONS STILL WITHOUT ADEQUATE ANSWERS PART I -- What is wrong with these patients? 61 A basic hypothesis, 367 62 The concept of masked personality disorder or defect, 376 63 Further consideration of the hypothesis, 388 64 Aspects of regression, 397 65 Surmise and evidence, 403 PART II -- What can be done? 66 Illness and misconduct, 416 67 Legal competency and criminal responsibility, 420 68 Treatment or control, 433 APPENDIX, 447 BIBLIOGRAPHY, 453 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IP: Logged |
scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 480 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted November 10, 2009 02:02 PM
HD, What you said about the taurus shadow sounds just like me, I'm a taurus rising with mercury conj uranus on the desc.IP: Logged |
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posted November 10, 2009 04:48 PM
** What you said about the taurus shadow sounds just like me ** you mean what Liz Greene wrote ? .. :-)) .. as far as the shadow chapter goes .. i'd say i still have a battle with this .. now and again ..  * *And prejudice is one of Taurus' chief difficulties on the shadow side. Once he makes up his mind that a particular ideology, religion, race or type of person is a loss, there his mind stays. There's no moving it, no budging it.** IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 1901 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 10, 2009 04:56 PM
so imagine aquas who are conceived in the month of taurus. hard core stubborness  IP: Logged |
Lyra Knowflake Posts: 305 From: London, UK Registered: May 2009
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posted November 11, 2009 08:26 AM
You always come over as more of a Gemini than a Taurus to me, HD. Yes, April 20/21st is always a difficult time to be born - but there is a certain Fixed Star ruling that date, I forget which...though, how can you NOT be evil with a name like: *Odilo Globocnik* You gotta admit that's a bloody awful name!!! > Taurus I always see as the "dictator" sign, alongside Sag/Cap (Stalin/Mao). And Pisces (Mengele, bin Laden) can be dern evil at times - carrying all the cr*p from the rest of the zodiac round with them. As Gems can be just plain crazy (like the Nepalese prince who shot the rest of his family). But I'm getting really off topic now, and more into a descent into what constitutes evil. IP: Logged |
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posted November 11, 2009 03:23 PM
~ Lyra ~** You always come over as more of a Gemini than a Taurus to me, HD ** cheers .. your observation be of interest here :-)) i've always related first to taurus ( more due to merc in taur perhaps ? ) the gemini lunar influence has mostly remained a mystery .. until recently .. ( ~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/202465.html ~ ) and maybe the moon sign is evident thru forum posts ( well .. moon and sun :-) .. speculative thought .. although not the first time .. ( i read thru some of my posts .. can see your point about gemini .. ( then had a thought about other k'flakes postings 'n placements :-) ** .. into what constitutes evil. **
this book was being talked about on the radio last week .. i'm tempted to aquire it .. 'Ordinary Men' (Paperback) by Christopher R. Browning ~ http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2GQDTUBGHP7DQ ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 7140 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 11, 2009 10:57 PM
is it the "outer planets" you're talking about, where liz greene cuts up adolf's chart? i seem to remember that she said he was the mouthpiece for the collective...also that his uranus was UNASPECTED (the aspect with merc is kind of wide as i recall) and that for that reason when a major transit came along, it took him over...made a pretty good case for it if i remember right...i think when a mindset takes over a people/world, your sign won't protect you from falling into it on one side or the other...but different aspect pictures in the natals might show why one side RATHER than the other...? IP: Logged |
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posted November 12, 2009 09:53 AM
** i seem to remember that she said he was the mouthpiece for the collective. ** i just leafed thru five books to find the paragraph .. didn't spot it yet .. was something about his early speeches and how at first he seemed uncomfortable and unsure .. then 'something' seemed to overtake him when he got started .. almost like he was a ranting puppet am fairly sure the main discussion subject in the book was 'uranus' .. but .. it might have been an offside 'insert' connected to another subject .. if i find the paragraph in question .. i'll type it out .. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ( edited to add ) .. found what i was looking for .. within a couple of pages with the heading .. 'possession by uranus' .. may as well type out the lot to keep it in context .. 'later .. IP: Logged |
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posted November 13, 2009 10:41 AM
~ Possession by Uranus ~ ( *slightly edited for this thread ) ***********************Liz. G : .. .. One of the things that taught me a great deal about Uranus was a propaganda film that the Nazis made, called The Triumph of the Will. It is a terrifying piece of cinema. Hitler gets up on the podium to speak to the masses, and at first he seems like a human being. He shuffles and looks at his feet a lot. One can see he is shy, diffident, and uncomfortable, and one can glimpse the human pathology that fuelled his ambitions - the violent father, the invasive mother, the failed architect's career, the sense of social inferiority. Then he begins to speak, and it almost as if something alien, something inhuman or non-human, starts coming in. His words become more and more staccato and disjointed. His gestures become jerky and spasmodic, and more and more exaggerated. His body language is that of a puppet being jerked about by unseen strings. .. Watching this film for the first time, I thought to myself, "There was once a person there, however twisted and warped. After all, there are a lot of ambitious, hateful, bigoted people walking on this planet. One can meet them or read their pronouncements in the gutter press every day. But here the human being is not present any more. Something else is there, something huge and collective and impersonal, speaking through this man. And it has also possessed the audience. There is a participation - mystique." .. It was as though pure Uranian energy, a pure Uranian collective idea, was trying to pour out, presenting a new world-view. But the idea was contaminated by personal hate, and the perfect world of the Promethean vision was tainted by the individuals man's human pathology even as it emerged, taking on a dark and destructive colouration. I found it absolutely terrifying. .. Dissociation and possession by a Uranian spirit are obvious in this film. The Nazis didn't see it that way, of course. It is a propaganda film, and it was well received by a populace primed to embrace the Promethean vision with its "final solution" to the problem of an imperfect society. It says something about why Hitler's speeches had such enormous power over the people listening to them. It wasn't one man speaking - it was the collective psyche of the nation speaking, with certain special flourishes of a personal and particularly nasty kind. Hitler was clearly a mouthpiece for something which was bursting forth on a collective level. ( * edit out one unrelated question-answer paragraph ) .. When a Uranian ideology is being expressed in this way, one can often see its repercussions in mass political rallies. There are no individuals any more. Hitler expressed this understanding when he wrote in 'Mein Kamp' that at a mass meeting, thought is eliminated, and therefore he would speak to the people only as a mass. I have no doubt the yearning for a redeemer - the Neptunian longing for salvation - contributed to the extraordinary receptivity the Germans showed to Hitler's vision. Also, the unaspected conjunction of Neptune and Pluto which occurred at his birth suggests extraordinary receptivity to the yearnings of his generational group. But his special personal gift, his personal charisma, seems to me to have been largely Uranaian in nature. Uranus on the Ascendant in his birth chart enabled him to articulate a collective vision that triggered the unconscious Uranian vision in all the individuals listening. The idea of the Third Reich, with all its implications, was not created by Hitler. It was an idea whose time had come. .. Because of Uranus's tendency to generate dissociation and possession by an archetypal idea, it is urgent that there is a person at home, a strong ego-consciousness that can contain the Promethean vision and hold on to it just long enough to say, " Wait a minute, this looks great on paper, but who is going to be hurt by it? And am I morally capable of implementing it without my integrity being destroyed ? " .. Without such sobering questioning, we are at the mercy of something which is not intrinsically destructive, but which is archetypal and collective. And it may mow us down as easily as enlightening us. Maybe it will not do so globally, in the sense of a Third Reich, but it can flatten our individual values and feelings in specific areas of our personal lives, and then we must live with the consequences. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ above excerpt text from : .. " The Art of Stealing Fire Uranus in the Horoscope " author .. Liz Greene .. ( ~ http://www.astro.com/people/greene_e.htm ~ ) book contents : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Part One : Uranus in the natal chart ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unconventionality and individuality The mythology of Uranus .. Uranian associations .. Prometheus the Titan .. Uranian suffering and the punishment of Prometheus .. Promethean suffering and the individual .. Ouranos the sky-god and the Pythagorean numbers .. The castration of Ouranos .. Uranus as Frankenstein .. Alice Bailey and other Uranian pastimes .. The Kabalistic Uranus and ritual magic .. Uranian control .. Uranian fundamentalism .. The Sun and Saturn as containers of Uranian energy .. Modern applications of the Ouranos myth .. Uranus and the Enlightenment .. Uranus in the houses of the horoscope Uranus in the 1st house Uranus in the 7th house Prometheus' liver and Uranian depression Uranus in the 2nd and 8th houses Uranus in the 3rd and 9th houses Uranus in the 4th and 10th houses Moon-Uranus aspects and childhood anxiety Possession by Uranus Uranus in the 4th and 10th houses ( continued ) Uranus in the 5th and 11th houses Uranus in the 6th and 12th houses Uranus and the body Aspects of Uranus to the personal planets An example chart Bibliography ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Part Two : The Transits of Saturn and Uranus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The meaning of transits Transit cycles Transits as teleology Transits as psychological patterns Transits as events The meaning of the Saturn cycle Saturn and separation Saturn as 'Lord of Karma' The stages of the 1st Saturn cycle The stages of the 2nd saturn cycle Final remarks about the Saturn cycle Saturn - Neptune contacts Too much Saturn ? Saturn's defence system Saturn's transits to other planets Transiting Saturn conjunct Venus The meaning of the Uranus cycle Individual and collective Uranus in the early 20's Uranus in mid-life Uranus in later life The Uranus return The combined cycles of Saturn and Uranus The nature of events Transits of Uranus to other planets Example chart 1 Group charts and discussion Example chart 2 Transiting Saturn conjunct Sun Transiting Saturn at the MC Transiting Uranus over a grand fixed cross The dark side of love Venus in Aquarius Example chart 3 Saturn transiting over a new Moon Transiting Uranus sextile a new Moon Example chart 4 Transiting Saturn square Saturn Transiting Saturn conjunct Venus Bibliography About the Centre for Psychological Astrology About the CPA press ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Liz Greene publications : ~ http://www.astro.com/people/greene_pub_e.htm?cid=17gfileKZTubf-u1141689043 ~ IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1621 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 25, 2011 03:54 AM
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BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 437 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted October 27, 2011 12:52 PM
Probably one of the best premise I've seen for an astrology thread in a while; if you're going to take a dump on random signs, at least be fair about it and go in on EVERYbody.IP: Logged | |