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Quinnie
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posted February 08, 2009 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Lara you obviously know a great deal about this but I have to say I'm not a fan of GOD or a higher being who is any more higher than IAM and since IAM gave each soul the power of free will then I can cancel out the karma I wish to, but if the other choses not to cancel it then I am bound to it by their free will choice. I am pretty sure if I am the owner of the whole thing I can over-ride my trustees.

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posted February 08, 2009 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds arrogant doesn't it!
sun conjunct pluto in 1st house hehe

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posted February 08, 2009 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
LOL. Quinne you're basically saying that the higher self is highest self/divinity...that this is what God is, ultimately? Nothing outside of ourselves?

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posted February 08, 2009 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ok well im not a fan of God at all!!! i don't believe in God for a start. lol

By trustees l meant it as an analogy because the whole point of a trust is that you say to the trustee "here's my money, only let me spend the income and don't let me touch the capital"

So therefore, you are saying "don't let me renege on my conditions, pre-birth.
Often l find people ask for life of poverty... now of course that can be overruled by free will cos it's not karma.

Karmic lessons are there to be learnt. You can't not go to school and expect to pass all the exams can you.

Is that explaining it any better? So hard to type explanations

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posted February 08, 2009 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
MVM!
It does seem that way!
Those peeps who don't seem to have a conscience get away with it scot free or do they???????
The answer could be in the next life time.
How will you break even with him?
(sweet revenge)
hmmmmmm.

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posted February 08, 2009 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
MVM yes and no
I think each one of us has unlimited power. The here and now choices that we make are can even effect our higher selves.

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posted February 08, 2009 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
you are a slave to your higher self until you pretty much complete your karma,... btw in essence i agree with you Quinnie but you are talking about when you have reached ONENESS and l am talking about the process of reaching ONENESS.

Once you connect and go from 9 to 0 to 1 then yes, you can override anything you want cos you won't need the pre-birth council after that... you already cleared the slate

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posted February 08, 2009 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
oops!

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posted February 08, 2009 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
next lifetime they will start with bad karmic debt... i have cleared karma in this lifetime that i have carried for hundreds and hundreds of years.

I am about to clear karma from an Egyptian lifetime and l have yet to clear karma from my American Indian lifetime.. i haven't yet met the guys who gang raped me nor my husband who was shot.
I think my youngest son is one of my children from that life. Sometimes l hold him and he looks into my eyes and strokes my hair saying to me "i make mummy happy" and in his eyes l recognize his soul. I recognize the words he says too.....

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posted February 08, 2009 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I believe you can Lara lol
Pass all the exams if you give yourself the permission to. Why not.
You can determine everything in your life, past, present and future if you allow yourself. The fear feeds the restriction and limits your possibility.
I mean I know there is the voice of karma, of the occult, of the akashic records but in the words of carl jung "not God, nor man can take precedence over my own human experience" or soemthing to that effect lol

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posted February 08, 2009 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Ok Lara I think we are looking at the same thing but at opposing ends of it lol

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posted February 08, 2009 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ok quinnie, l agree with your last post IF we leave Karma out of the picture..

If we are looking at the Laws of Possibility then i 100% agree.
We can do anything as long as it hurts noone and creates no karma !

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posted February 08, 2009 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Semantics can be a complete b!tch sometimes online LOL

Yes, I do think choices made can effect the higher self, for better or worse. I'm really into the yin-yang and light/dark end of things though...I like the concept of having free will but also surrender as well....like having both co-exist together, so that there's no difference between destiny and free will, they can be two totally different things that feed off each other and live harmoniously. Dunno if that makes sense.

And I don't mean self-will to create destiny, like destiny being a part of the universe as is our free will....blah. I'm babbling LOL

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posted February 08, 2009 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Lara that is so deep, the connection that you have with your son. I don't think I would want to know who any of my family were to me in previous lives as I very much have a great deal of security in knowing who they are in this lifetime.

It sounds like you have psychological stuff to resolve from a past life which I believe can exist absolutely. It would take a very strng person to deal with deep CONSCIOUS wounds from within the family. I would rather most of mine stayed unconscious.
I get 'feelings' about people and thats where I'm happy to leave it at. I don't want to know where they came from necessarily because it might diffuse my focus on the future. I would much rather let myself deal with the past unconsciously. I believe people do that when they face their fears. They don't know perhaps where the inherent fear comes from (eg fear of water) but leanring to swim can cancel it out.

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posted February 08, 2009 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Jung very much believed in karma though and of the importance of clearing it.

I did Jungian re-birthing and it was incredible.. there l was in the womb of my mother and l had emotions. OMG.

Not only did l have emotions but l came to conclusions... l was using my brain and finally, when my mother was 37 weeks pregnant l overruled her and the Universe's decision to stay for another 3 weeks and l pulled the emergency chain. If l hadn't i'd never have survived the birth as it turned out, due to so much emotional trauma.

So l agree, ANYTHING is possible if you believe. We have all the answers inside us, we just don't always know the right questions to ask


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posted February 08, 2009 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
I'm babbling too aren't I! lol sorry everyone....

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posted February 08, 2009 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
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It would take a very strng person to deal with deep CONSCIOUS wounds from within the family. I would rather most of mine stayed unconscious.

my entire life has been dealing with deep conscious wounds from within my family!!!!!

My son and l have this telepathy. He's only just 3 yrs old and so in time l will slowly cut the psychic ties and cords that join us in that lifetime. Release him from his guilt and me from the pain of my children having to witness such atrocities. He has no memory of that life though, only a sense and subconscious connection and familiarity with me.

I love my kids, they teach me so much about healing and pure love, the endless possibilities and in return l try not to teach them anything; just let them discover and explore this wondrous Earth with the purity of spirit covering their hidden old souls ready to emerge fully into a conscious state
*sigh*

Bless you Quinnie. X


MVM,
yeah... sometimes l feel like i'm having a one way conversation with my computer!

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posted February 08, 2009 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Lara!!!!!
I haven't done Jungian regression that sounds incredible and to me totally credible.
I have such vivid memories of when I was a toddler, and within these memories I knew my brain was working, I was working things out, conceptualising, questionsing. It was like I knew all the language if anything in my head but I had to learn to speak it verbally. I could understand as well then as I can now BUT I couldn't communicate it.
Still can't lol I haven't learnt much have i!

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posted February 08, 2009 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
no way are you babbling!

thing is, l too love the ignorance is bliss and lets leave it vague but l was so traumatized by my nightmare aged 8 that l just had to work out how it happened to me. I was compelled to and so by discovering the truth behind it, l also unraveled a big wasps nest of other dreams and past life experiences through people l drew into my life.

Isn't it amazing how you decide to do something and everything you need to fulfill that decision starts to move toward you?

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posted February 08, 2009 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Lara I understand my two babies are 3 and 2 in March and I'm afraid to even look at them any differently than just my babies. I'm hoping cutting the psychic ties will be a natural unconscious progression.
Please please.
I already feel so bad saying no to them because sometimes in my head I'm thinking "You could have been my parent last lifetime or my teacher, who am I to tell you what to do"
I just feel like I'm conditioning them to live in this society rather than encouraging them to express themselves.

I really mean that about your relationship with your son, it takes a strong person to be able to rise above it while being conscious of it.
When you think of the roles we can play with people in this life, like the adoptive parent or the nurse etc. we really are living out on so many levels.

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posted February 08, 2009 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
MVM I think we are all trying to say the same thing!
Honestly how restrictive is verbal communication!

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posted February 08, 2009 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Lara...
You said on another thread:
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we have all the answers inside ourselves

And you speak also of going within.
So why bother with listening to that which is not within oneself?
Why call upon the CHOHANS?

I equate such with the deceivers of humankind including the false god, LORD of the second so called "creation" and his Eden Zoo, and the evil Pleidians and their soulless minions the Sirians.
And such entities are so removed from what it means to be human that their advice is worthless.

And....I am still a bit foggy on what the so called pre birth council is supposed to be.
The only thing I can equate that with,
is our amalgam of our own personal past incarnation identities coming together.
Not a source outside of us.

You indicate you do not believe in a god.
Fine, I do not believe in an actual god either.
However, why then bow to the advice of certain wanna-be-gods?
What happened to all our answers are within each of us?

You also indicated on another thread that:

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Don't ask me for proof. I am proof but l can't prove it. I don't believe in proof and all that crap. Feel the words within and see if your intuition knows instantly if there is truth. Outside truth actually doesn't mean **** .
So why go outside and ask entities claiming to be advanced,
and of course claiming they are here for our own good...
who say "trust us"....
Why commune with such?
Bad move I say.

You also said:

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I rad very few books for this very reason and l see a lot of messed up and confused people who read a ton of books and are still at base lol
Yet you do seem to be promoting the KRYON channelings,
which are about as fringey as it gets,
like all such supposed ascended master channelings.
A "religion" can be found on the internet to promote just about any goofy concept.
Before the internet,
it was the Space brothers and Nordics and other space cadet teachings.

I just do not see why go outside oneself,
and ask for and then take advice from entities who I feel are not out to help us,
but had/have their own agendas,
or even just like giving advice,
whether wise advice or not.

OK...
rant over for the moment.


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posted February 08, 2009 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Thats true Lara and the universe seems to open a door to let everything in, hopefully just one at a time,it's not like you're holding a pary!

The only thing you can expect from yourself though is to just live in the world that we are in practically and realistically and to take one day at a time.

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posted February 08, 2009 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ok Quinnie, we are getting our wires crossed.

when l say CHOHANS, l mean when i'm helping others... when you help others it's a given to ask pre-birth, archangels, Chohan etc etc for help..

The WITHIN is for oneself!

I don't promote Kryon... i'm only quoting a piece from one of the books cos i'm trying to get a point across and thought people might be interested in what Kryon says, seeing as not many people on this thread actually think that what l have to say holds any water

I do read few books... why read other's experiences when you can be experiencing life with others haha

The books l do read though are thoughtfully picked and are precious to me, like "The Universe is a Green Dragon" for example

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posted February 08, 2009 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ps. i didn't get the Kryon from the internet, i typed it out from the book which is laying on my bed! lol

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