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Atlenta
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posted February 23, 2009 02:48 PM
 
I think I read an account on ted bundy before, I think it was on a serial killer website. He did mention he felt for his victims; was turmoiled by conscience, but soon he got used to it. he used to be "normal".. something triggered it and made him think it was okay. in fact, a chilling account of the green river killer from some magazine showed that he married a woman who knew nothing about his killings - and who described him as a normal gentle and loving husband. who knew he had a double life of prositute murdering.. why didn't he murder his wife??
from my personal account, I am very wary of moon opposite neptune.. I know most people have it are not necessarily serial killers, but this aspect needs to be kept in check - I call it the "master of illusion" aspect - they even hide things from themselves.. especially if neptune is on or near the ASC.. they can fool people easily - the actor/actress aspect.. so that they can lead a double life - like most serial killers do..
.. which brings back the original point of double life: geminians- the twins.. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted February 23, 2009 05:10 PM
Atlenta,You're very wise. I enjoy your theories and input immensely.  IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted February 23, 2009 07:00 PM
Atlenta,Your analysis is spot on! I used to have a friend with moon opposition neptune and at first she was nice, but it turned out she was leading a double life. She told me that as a child she enjoyed chopping off animals' heads. She later betrayed me... Libralove, As aqua/scorp stated, a Hades moon is a moon-pluto aspect. I have a Hades moon (cappie moon square scorpio pluto) and a gemini sun---ouch! I seem to have a serial killer chart, though I assure you I'm a gentle person. Basically, a Hades moon indicates that you had a powerful mother. She could've been powerful in a good way--giving you confidence and strength. Or she could've been harsh, brutal, and dominating to the point where she consumes your sense of self. Childhood is often traumatic and the family often has some deep, troubling secret that eventually surfaces. My own personal experience with this moon is that I do indeed have a very powerful mother and as a toddler I was taught how to survive and to always be on my guard since life can be very cruel. Fortunately, I was also taught to treat others with immense kindness and to put the needs of others before my own. Death was also a reoccurring theme throughout my early childhood. I lost many people that I loved. In fact, I've lost track of the number of funerals that I've attended. I no longer fear death since it's always been a huge part of life. I also dealt with perverted men who were a little too interested in me since I was a young child, though this might be due to my venus opposition pluto aspect. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted February 23, 2009 07:18 PM
OMG those photos totally creep me out... never watch the news cos those murder pics always freak me.Ted Bundy is such a freak to look at aaarrrggghhh IP: Logged |
Plutonian Persona
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posted February 23, 2009 08:59 PM
And continuing my argument from Astrology Weekly's thread on this same topic, I think that free will more than anything else is involved with becoming a sociopath, serial killer, etc.Consider that fact that my chart has everything in it that could lead to me becoming a serial killer: a heavy Pluto/Mars/Uranus influence, an afflicted Moon, and that charming Libra ascendant (with all the Scorpio hiding just below the surface.) Nessus in my chart is exactly square Pluto and Ascendant; Lucifer is opposite Mercury and Uranus. I had the classic dominating mother who would often turn the cold shoulder to me in my greatest time of need and so on. I am not a serial killer and only want to help people in their greatest time of need. Planetary energy has two sides, it's up to us which one we decide to use in the end. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted February 23, 2009 09:09 PM
Right, it's true, Plutonian. The aspects we're given are meant to challenge us to grow and overcome obstacles .... it's all too easy sometimes with powerful, hard aspects, to just take the easy out.Astra... chopping animal's heads off....Jeeeezzzzusss  IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted February 23, 2009 09:30 PM
MyVirgoMask,Yeah, she's psycho. Now she's studying to become a neurosurgeon in medical school. Scary, huh? IP: Logged |
Arnicka
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posted February 24, 2009 01:19 AM
those 2 pics posted are quite evil, in the eyes, but ted's wins by a long shot. how could anyone look at those and not run in the other direction? I know kinda off topic, but does anyone have Josef Fritzl's birth data? he's reported to have closed off his mother in a room until she died and he kept his daughter in a dungeon for many years and fathered numerous children with her. here's a pic, you tell me those aren't some seriously dangerous eyes: http://www.fritzlhousehorror.com/ IP: Logged |
annaf
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posted February 24, 2009 05:36 AM
Hi Arnicka,Josef Fritzl was born 9th April 1935 in Amstetten, Austria, no birthtime available IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted February 24, 2009 05:52 AM
Astra...yikes. That is scary! I want to say maybe it's good she's channeling it somewhere....but, I don't know  Another interesting serial killer is Aileen Wuornos - I'm pretty sure she's got lots of Pisces/Neptune influence from what I recall, and a grand kite. Some of the serial killers whose charts I looked at had grand trines, and really bizarre strong fame indicators, some strong Midheaven stuff. I need to see who they were again, and look it up. But I found that interesting. Oh, here's an old thread Fist of Legend had - I posted some serial killer charts on here, though that wasn't the intention of the thread, LOL: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000092.html Just scroll down a bit (making sure to get an eyeful of the interesting dialogue in the process) ! EDIT: I think every chart I put up there has some aspect from the Moon to Uranus, and not necessarily a hard aspect...which is why I thought Moon/Uranus also when this subject came up. IP: Logged |
Green Fairy
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posted February 24, 2009 09:03 AM
*Has a Moon/Neptune opposition*    IP: Logged |
GCcarrier
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posted February 24, 2009 01:50 PM
You might wanna check out this article:Frequencies of Various Aspects and House and Sign Positions in the
Horoscopes of Murderers, Serial Killers, and Mass Murderers
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article101704/index.htm IP: Logged |
emma_duncan
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posted February 24, 2009 05:09 PM
wao
the grand trine stuff.....
my 2 yrs old niece has grand trine in water involving moon jupiter and uranus ....and she so emotionally self-sufficent...(not that i am linking her to any stuff here)....but i had been wondering abt grand trines....they are not always beneficial...these can make ppl very aloof or indiffernt to others as well.....i hv never been satisfied with general glossy interpretations of trinesIP: Logged |
IWDWSWLM
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posted February 25, 2009 01:17 AM
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/article101704/index.htm Interesting thing to stumble upon. Also found an article on Ted Bundy's start chart: http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/638gG3XPTnd4.htm. I thought it was interesting the Mercury in Scorpio tended to be present in killers. Naturally, you can't look at a person's star chart and say--Good grief, he's a serial killer! But it's still curious. What's with Mercury in Scorpio, then--why might the communication planet have such a strong response in Scorpio? IP: Logged |
Arnicka
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posted February 25, 2009 02:17 AM
that makes a lot of sense to me, the traditional indicators of fame. they're definitely well known aren't they. ty annaf  IP: Logged |
Atlenta
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posted February 25, 2009 11:31 AM
Thanks meta,  I agree with the grand trines thing. I personally knew 2 people with the moon-neptune opposition and 2 grand trines, and boy, it was deja vu all over again. quote:
*Has a Moon/Neptune opposition*
I don't think its necessarily a serial killer aspect, but the bearer can dazzle people, because its really hard to read someone with this aspect... on the positive, this can be a healing aspect - like spiritual master, especially when the lessons of this is learned.IP: Logged |
emma_duncan
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posted February 25, 2009 12:39 PM
atlenta!
wht have u noticed abt grand trines?
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Atlenta
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posted February 25, 2009 12:57 PM
Hi Emma,I have not looked very deeply into grand trines, or fully understand them, but, like you mention, the very emotionally self-sufficient attitude.. strong emotionality. I was looking into charts of two people who had the same pattern of behaviour, and they both had 2 grand trines each - this can make them very lazy, and tend to "social climb" or use people rather than do the work themselves.. always looking for the easy way out of things - thats what I noticed in the two people I mentioned - getting people to do easy easy stuff for them whenever possible. And they're not too affected emotionally by others I don't think.. ..oh and they give me the feeling thatt conscience is not something inherent in them if it goes against their desires, AND if they can have what they want, in whatever way possible, they will have it, without feeling guilty. (a very good mark of a serial killer) I had the fortune to know 2 of them, one after another, after I got rid of one for betrayal, I made a new close friend who called me sis, and her psychopathic behaviour made me log her details into chart form and bingo! Both have 2 grand trines with moon oppo neptune, and I believe I'm one of the very few who know their deep dark secret - the first one fooled me for 10 over years. It's like living inside the movies, except it's real, and more fascinating than the movies (that is, if you don't go crazy first!). IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted February 25, 2009 01:41 PM
I've studied the charts of criminals and serial killers for many years and gemini and sag ARE extremely common as the sun and or asc sign. Capricorn moon is very common. Hard Uranus aspects to the moon and mars.IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted February 25, 2009 01:55 PM
Barbara Watters in her book An Astrologer Looks At Murder links the grand trine with not only killers, but killers who have the "luck" to get away with it indefinately or for long periods of time.IP: Logged |
emma_duncan
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posted February 25, 2009 04:01 PM
atlanta and scrappy dog ....thank u
i am also wondering if hard aspects to moon or mars become more prone to violence when they are in certain signs...i am getting v fascinated with grand trine stuff IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion
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posted February 25, 2009 04:47 PM
libralove09 - notice the whites of bundy's eyes under the iris. that is exactly what hd said the other day in the other thread. that is how you can tell someone is about to lose control or losing control. i noticed in that picture.IP: Logged |
Atlenta
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posted February 26, 2009 12:22 AM
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i am also wondering if hard aspects to moon or mars become more prone to violence when they are in certain signs...
yes I think so.. moon/mars can be pretty violent, especially if they're emotionally activated.Astra,
I think its scary that she's going to become a surgeon. hopefully she's changed for ethical purposes.. the 2nd person I mentioned above was a nurse and was going to be head nurse. I jolly well hope her psychopathic tendencies ended with me.. she can be very caring, thats one reason why she entered the profession. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted February 26, 2009 02:06 AM
I wonder sometimes if some people are really cruel to the point of psychosis are just extremely wounded healers sometimes, with that part of them turned inside-out. It's difficult to break out of the rut of cruelty because maybe it gives a level of immediate satisfaction, but it's much, much harder to work through the wounds in oneself. I wonder how Chiron aspects look in some of these cases. IP: Logged |
Atlenta
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posted February 26, 2009 05:51 AM
MyVirgoMask,Although I agree, its very hard to reason with or have sympathy for psychopaths.. because they don't possess conscience themselves. I met two of them; its enough for a lifetime. I don't have sympathy for them because they thrive on. They know how to survive. I just feel sorry for people who come close and be hurt by them. They may be wounded healers, but they no longer care about healing - its all about them or nothing. People are just tools to them. They construct words and sentences that fit the general perception of what they're supposed to say. And they're good at it. There are many sociopaths these days; I believe its common, but those 2 are something special in a way I cannot describe. IP: Logged |
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