posted February 26, 2009 01:21 PM            

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The Sun in Gemini or Capricorn, and the Moon in Capricorn made the cut again with 13 cases each. Sun in Sagittarius gave only 12 hits, as did the Moon in either Sagittarius of Pisces. This is a borderline result, and while it cannot be counted here, it is very close and (IMO) should still be tested for when future samples become available.

The surprise was Mercury in Scorpio. The smaller second group gave a larger result than the first group. 10 out of 39 had Mercury placed here (which is 25.6%, over two and a half times the result expected by random chance) as opposed to 9 out of 60 for the first group.

Mars in Aries, which showed up in the first group, did not make the cut here. Mars in Leo replaced it with 13 hits for the combined group. Jupiter in Scorpio hung on with 13 hits.

Of course, no conclusions can be drawn at this preliminary stage, but these results are interesting because astrologers have tended to classify Mercury and Jupiter as mental planets. They are alleged to affect one’s thinking. Mercury is alleged to show a persons ability to deal with details, while Jupiter is supposed to indicate one’s ability to deal in principles, to get the big picture. In these samples, they both give above average results when they are found in the sign that astrologers claim is associated with death.

* Mars in the 7th house.
* Jupiter in the 10th house.
* Saturn in the 1st house (gave above average results for both
groups).
* Saturn in the 6th house (gave above average results for both
groups).
* Uranus in the 8th house.
* Neptune in the 7th house (gave above average results for both groups).
* Neptune in the 12th house (gave above average results for both groups).
* Pluto in the 10th house.
* Pluto in the 11th house.

* Sun in stress aspect to Pluto. Pluto is alleged by astrologers
to rule death.
* Sun in conjunction with the Venus/Mars midpoint.
* Moon (emotions) in stress aspect to Mars. According to the astrological literature (which is anecdotal) this can give a shortened temper.
* Moon in stress aspect to the Ascendant.
* Mercury to Mars.
* Mercury to Chiron.
* Mars to the Moon’s North Node.
* Mars to the Sun/Uranus midpoint.
* Mars to the Neptune/Pluto midpoint.
* Jupiter to the Venus/Ceres midpoint.
* Jupiter to the Ceres/Pluto midpoint.
* Saturn to Chiron.
* Saturn to the 12th house cusp.
* Chiron to the Mars/Pluto midpoint.
* Chiron to the Venus/Neptune midpoint.
* Uranus to the Ceres/Chiron midpoint.
* Uranus to the Pluto/Vertex midpoint.
* Neptune to the Mars/Vertex midpoint.
* Neptune to the Mars/Ceres midpoint.
* Neptune to the Mars/Pluto midpoint.
* Pluto to the Moon/Venus midpoint.
* Pluto to the Uranus/Vertex midpoint.

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posted February 26, 2009 08:15 PM              

As indicated by Harrower ‘we all have a genetic inheritance or genetic potential, but in order for that potential to be released there have to be some environmental triggers. It also seems clear that the roots of antisocial behaviour lie in early childhood and that certain events in childhood can increase an individual’s psychological vulnerability. These would include: insecure attachment; a weak sense of self; a dysfunctional family; coercive or indifferent parenting; physical, sexual or emotional abuse or neglect; the death of a parent; low family income; an acrimonious separation or divorce and low academic achievement.’(Applying Psychology to Crime, p37, Julie Harrower (1998) Hodder and Stoughton).

The research into serial killers and their murders has been extensive and widespread. Holmes and DeBurger  have identified four types of serial killer,

Visionary type - they believe that visions or voices guide their actions
Mission-orientated type - they believe that they have to remove a certain group from society
Hedonistic type - includes many types of killer who derive pleasure or gain from the killing
Power/ control-orientated type - enjoy controlling their victims with some sexual satisfaction

(Holmes R. and De Burger J. (1988), Serial Murder, Newbury Park, Sage)

In addition, research undertaken by the Federal Bureau of Investigation has identified two other types of serial killer – organised and disorganised killers.(Ressler, RK, Burgess AW and Douglas J, Sexual Homicide: Patterns and Motives, Lexington: Lexington Books). The organised killer is considered to be socially competent, intelligent , a planner, generally targets strangers, someone who uses restraints, has sex with their victims and uses a vehicle. Typical characteristics would include living with a partner, follows the crime in the media, plans the killing, the victim’s body is hidden, evidence is often absent, may return to the crime scene and anticipates police questioning. 

The disorganised killer is often socially immature who may know his victims and kills spontaneously. The disorganised killer is often sexually inhibited, harsh childhood discipline, lives alone, knows victim, sloppy crime scene, evidence present but shows no interest in the media and does not change their lifestyle as a result of the killing.

As an additional categorisation of serial killers, mobility can be a significant factor as to the nature of their crimes. Travelling serial killers, who move around to find their victims; local killers, who kill in their region and the home killer may need to be considered.(Hickey, E (1991) 'Serial murders and their victims', Belmont: Wadsworth). Travelling serial killers are often difficult to track due to the separation of police jurisdictions and the lack of pattern recognition.

Most serial killers will fall into a pattern, either of modus operandi, location, victim type, motive, etc. it is often the patterns of their activities that allows the police to track and apprehend the killer.

Where do they come from and what outward signs are there? Serial killers come from everywhere and there are, very often, no signs of the activities that an individual undertakes. Killers are often described as ‘normal’, ‘very chatty’ and ‘a good neighbour’. Indeed, the serial killer Ted Bundy, said

  " we are your sons, and we are your husbands, and we grew up in regular families”

Now using MRI and other brain scanning techniques, scientists now believe that treatment is now theoretically possible. The imaging by scientists (Prof. Robert Hare) indicates that psychopaths (including serial killers) have difficulty in processing emotional stimuli.  Why this happens is not clear or confirmed. Prof. James Blair (UCL) believes that the amygdala in the brain is the root of the problem as this is where emotional processing and generation is located. Defects in functionality within this structure, i.e. pathology, could lead to psychopathy.

However, any treatments may be years in the future and in the meantime, serial killers will continue to be imprisoned for public safety. In cases in prison, counselling and therapy in Canada has in fact had an adverse effect and that re-offence rates increase.

As a final point, it is worth noting that serial killer are predominantly male, white, within their twenties or thirties, kill within their ethnic group and are middle class
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now .. all that's to be done is to translate that lot above into astrological whatyemacallits ;-)

posted February 26, 2009 09:10 PM              

Fred West *potentialy* psychopathic ..
he suffered a brain injury from a motorcycle accident when 16 yrs old
his family say his behaviour changed from that point onward
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West ~ .. d.o.b. .. 29 September 1941

Ian Brady serial child killer .. ( now in a secure mental hospital )
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brady ~ .. d.o.b. .. 2 January 1938

Ian Huntley .. sexual predator turned killer ..
this guy did return to the scene of police investigations from what i remember
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Huntley .. d.o.b. .. 31 January 1974

posted February 26, 2009 11:46 PM              

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I don't think they're all wounded healers, but I do think there are definite wounds involved here and Chiron might say something further....maybe.....

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Hmm, perhaps..
But actually I would say that healers have their heart chakra open somehow - killers seem to have it shut already.. Or maybe it wasn't there in the first place. wounded healerssssss.. seem like they have leaking chakras.. psychopaths have that all sealed up with tape. They feel like ice, so to speak, or snakes.

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Actually the only reason she wants to become a neurosurgeon is because she likes to cut up people. That's what she told me before anyway. She majored in psychology during college, so if her medical school gave any psychiatric testing to her students, then this means she must've passed since she's still in school.

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posted March 18, 2019 12:28 PM            

I suspect his AC to be pisces because he was quiet with no friends and that would make his pluto conjunct his IC which would also be fitting as it denotes potential issues with a controlling mother and difficulties becoming independant which he had.

With Pisces rising, his AC would be conjunct Saturn (difficulty expressing his emotions)

When it comes to asteroids, most prominent I find his Sun conjunct Munsterman!

Nessus conjunct Vesta conjunct Interkosmos.

Balam conjunct Uranus (Balam is a great and powerful king of Hell who commands over forty legions of demons.)

Neptune conjunct Requiem (says something about his fantasies about the dead?)

posted March 18, 2019 12:52 PM            

Ted has Balam conjunct Pallas. He really did act like a smartass devil, didn't he?

Here too, Munsterman conjunct Sun! (in Sag)

Leach conjunct Juno (in Scorpio)

Venus conjunct Swindle (in Scorpio)

Orcus and Vulcano conjunct Uranus (in Gemini)

posted March 21, 2019 04:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Libralove09:
apparently capricorn/sag/gemini.

libra too.

the serial killer who killed the most, was a cap sun.

dahmer was a gemini with aries moon.
the night stalker was a pisces with an aries moon i think.

ted bundy, the most famous one, had prominent scorpio and sag. his style of killings were deeply influenced by scorpio! definitley scorpio there! but i think it mustve been his sag moon/sun/mars that made him willingly do those things.

the green river killer, killed alot of women, he was an aqua sun and scorpio moon.

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The night stalker was a Pisces moon... not every Pisces moon is sweet and compassionate just like not every Capricorn moon is cold and mean.

posted March 21, 2019 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Libralove09:
apparently capricorn/sag/gemini.

libra too.

the serial killer who killed the most, was a cap sun.

dahmer was a gemini with aries moon.
the night stalker was a pisces with an aries moon i think.

ted bundy, the most famous one, had prominent scorpio and sag. his style of killings were deeply influenced by scorpio! definitley scorpio there! but i think it mustve been his sag moon/sun/mars that made him willingly do those things.

the green river killer, killed alot of women, he was an aqua sun and scorpio moon.

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The night stalker was a Pisces moon... not every Pisces moon is sweet and compassionate just like not every Capricorn moon is cold and mean.

posted March 21, 2019 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
The night stalker was a Pisces moon... not every Pisces moon is sweet and compassionate just like not every Capricorn moon is cold and mean.

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posted July 05, 2020 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
How about Bundy having Moon conjunct & parallel Mars, and contra-parallel Uranus & Pluto.

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posted July 06, 2020 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
Apparently, most serial killers are Geminis or Sagittarians, which is surprising since neither of these signs have a reputation for cruelty. Why do you think most serial killers are born under these two signs?

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Just curious - where'd you learn this?