posted March 01, 2009 03:49 PM           

And on the search I`m toying around with different ideas, and this is one of them, I came up with yesterday.

Actually it`s founded on what IQ wrote here, coupled with some "point-system".

Used objects:
Reference objects: Sun, Moon, ASC
Karmic: Saturn, Karma, True Node
Romance: Venus, Psyche, Valentine
Sexual: Mars, Eros, Pluto

I also counted ONLY conjunctions, trines and oppositions.
And I gave points for exactness (orb) of aspect.

conjunction: 5 points
trine: 3 points
opposition: 1 point

0° - 1°: 5 points
1°-2°: 3 points
2°-3°: 1 point

I also counted aspects with over 3° up to 3°20, but didn`t give any points to that orb.

Since the ASC-aspects are so enormously important, I counted them twice.

I had the idea that a true soulmate couple would have at least 50 points in this system. I also thought it would make it easier to see where the emphasis for every person lies (romantic, sexual, karmic).

Paul McCartney - Linda McCartney: 52 points

Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie: 56 points

Johnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis: 58 points

Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn: 59 points

Richard Burton - Liz Taylor: 101 points
- BUT most of their aspects were to karmic planets! of 21 aspects 10 were to karmic objects. I guess, the flavour of their connection was more karmic in nature than sexual or romantic, even though of course it played a role, too

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward: 98 points
There was a perfect balance of Romance and sexual aspects (8 aspects each), maybe this balance was a reason more for them to get along so well?

posted March 01, 2009 04:43 PM           

I don`t have her dates.

Amowls,

we could discuss about opposition and trine. I`m on the fence with these ones, maybe oppositions are more significant. They are more "triggering" for sure, but in soulmates you also need compatibility, and there is more compatibility with the trine.

Also, I based my choice not only on my own experiences, but on the research Paul Westran did, and in his investigation of a lot of relationship charts (synastry) for progressed synastry it were nearly always the conjunction, trine and opposition those aspects that were dominant (of course like every theory there are not absolutes).

posted March 02, 2009 05:53 AM           

Here is plus: Juno!

There is big difference between those two Charts.

Buena

posted March 02, 2009 07:45 AM           

Astrodienst has orbs for Synastry, but I don't know how high.
Those Charts are from Astrodienst.

Is that so important?

Buena

posted March 02, 2009 08:36 AM         

quote:

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The first rule is that the Ascendant of A or B MUST conjunct or trine any one of the following planets, points or asteroids:
True node, Ascendant, Sun, Moon, Saturn, Venus, Pluto, Mars, Karma, Juno, Valentine, Eros or Psyche.
The orb must be less than 5 degrees.

If this rule is not met, (primarily due to not knowing birth times, sometimes due to mistaken birth times), then the
second rule can be applied:

A's True Node conjunct or trine any of B's Moon, Juno, Valentine, Karma, Eros, Mars, Saturn or Pluto
B's True Node conjunct or trine any of A's Moon, Juno, Valentine, Karma, Psyche, Venus or Saturn

If first rule clicks, do not bother about the second rule.

If 1 or 2 clicks, go about finding aspects at below 3 degree orbs for all the above mentioned planets, points and asteroids.
Sextiles must have only 2 degree orbs.

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posted March 02, 2009 09:06 AM           

yes, I have read that on IQ`s page, but I also remember, when we started discussing this subject here, he was very strict with his 2°-orb-rule.

Personally I have to agree with the earlier statement.
5 degree for an aspect of Juno to ASC are too wide; I think he may take into account, that often ASC`s are a bit uncertain and not precise.

If the ASC is precisely known, however, there should be aspects within 2° orb.

Wider orb may be still effective, but personally I like to see the really unique connections, I do not share with anyone else, and those will have 2° orb.
The wider the orb the more people I will share this aspect with, and therefore it`s not a "defining" aspect of this particular relationship.

AFter I have stated the significance of a connection and the emphasis, which will become clear with those narrow orbed aspects, I would also include wider orbed aspects.
But what I call a wider orb aspect is one between 3° - 5°.

The 3° orb is even given astronomically, as this is about the time a fullmoon is really full.

posted March 02, 2009 09:25 AM         

I too think 5 is too much for asteroids.

I definitely pay a lot more attention to 2- degrees because, like you said, they are unique. In most cases they beat ginormous odds.

I was recently horrified when a professional astrologer (on tV) suggested 10 degree orb in sinastry (for a NN)

posted March 02, 2009 10:01 AM         

I think the quincynx when under 2 deg can maybe be counted too. What do you think DD?

Are you using the reference objects with all the other objects?

posted March 02, 2009 11:46 AM           

"I would think you would include the conjunction of other angles like the MC, DC to the ASC, They are extreamly important points"

I agreed with you. I actually think true soulmates MUST have strong aspect to the IC, as this is the deepest point in a chart and the "core of the soul" so to speak, also relating to the past.

BUT I was specifically looking for romantic soulmates here. If you have ONLY the IC_connection, then it would be unlikely t hat you would be romantic soulmates, even though the emotional bond could be very strong. It probably would be more like family-relation.

Lara,

of course square, sextile and inconjunct under 2° are also important, but the most significant relationships will have conjunctions and opositions, and apparently (and this surprised me, too) trines.

It seems that the relationship can`t be based on sextiles, squares and inconjuncts alone.
Those come into play, IF there are already those other aspects.

There may be relationships that are based on squares and sextiles, but usually if those are the ONLY strong aspects, it will be either a shortlived hot affair (square9 or more a friendship-connecton (sextile).

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is just my theory (based on IQ`s findings and progressed synastry and my own thoughts).
And no, this wasn`t supposed to sound as defensive as it probably has.

posted March 02, 2009 01:15 PM         

But anyway, looking at Brad and Jen's they have some HEAVY Saturn stuff going on, and some Pluto squares coming from Jen. I guess Jen might've been obsessed with him, or I guess she would've never dreamed of cheating on him.

posted March 02, 2009 02:10 PM         

May i please ask if you are doing it like this:

Reference objects: Sun, Moon, ASC ASPECTING ----->

Karmic: Saturn, Karma, True Node + Romance: Venus, Psyche, Valentine + Sexual: Mars, Eros, Pluto

OR are they all aspecting each other so Ref Object aspecting either Karmic, Romance or Sexual?

posted March 02, 2009 03:05 PM           

I actually counted all aspects to each other. But aspects to Sun, Moon and ASC may be more significant to other objects. But they don`t give a "flavour", like Eros would give a very sexual flavour.
Of course I could argue with myself and tell myself that Moon aspects are always pretty emotional.

But Sun, Moon and ASC (and maybe IC) is the "basic makeup" of an individual,in a broader context than Venus or Mars, which usually "only" speak for relationship patterns (unless they are of course conjunct Sun, Moon and ASC or rule the ASC for example).

For Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher - well, I think their squares are getting their central heating up several degrees and make them one hot couple.
However, I honestly think (and i haven`t analysed their charts yet), they must have some conjunctions, trines and opposition as I listed in my list, or otherwise their love wouldn´t be so strong to see the energy of the squares as "hot".

Well, this might be a good example to test my theory. If they don´t have any of these aspects, my theory might be flatly wrong.
(Even though I don`t know about them being soulmates).

So, what I would expect is some of the following:

1. Some aspects as mentioned above (example: ASC trine Venus or so)

2. ruler of DSC, ASC, 5th house, 8th house or 4th house playing a strong role (conjunctions and oppositions)

3. Probably also the marriage rule should be fulfilled

4. Progressed synastry

posted March 02, 2009 03:44 PM           

1. The system I suggested above (with the trines ):

Basic rule:
her ASC trine his Mars 3°10 (3 points)
her ASC conjuncts his Psyche (!) 1-2° (8 points)

this makes 11 points for the ASC-connections alone and since I have counted them twice in all other cases, I do it here, too, this makes 22 points for the first rule.

2. other aspects:

her Sun conjuncts his Psyche 1-2° (8 p)
her Moon opposes his Psyche 1-2° (4 p)
her Venus conjuncts his Psyche 0-1° (10 p)
her Saturn trine his NN 1-2° (6 p)
her Pluto opposes his Eros 2-3° (2 p)
her Karma opposes his Sun 1-2 (4 p)
her Psyche trine his Venus 2-3 (4 p)
her Psyche trine his Karma 2-3° (4p)

this makes 42 points + 22 points = 64 points

karmic: 2: 2 (4)
romance:3: 5 (8)
sexual:1: 2 (3)

According to this system, he seems to be very much in love with her. Also, since most of the aspects are to his Psyche, I think he`s very much in tune with her and probably makes a lot of compromises to please her.
The conjunction of his Psyche to her ASC might also imply that she embodies (ASC) his Psyche (Psyche), the female part of the soulmate-couple.

Within my system their attraction and love is explainable, and the system seems to be consistent in itself (if you can accept the idea that asteroids really work of course )