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darkdreamer
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posted April 09, 2009 10:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message
"Conclusion: I could persuade you towards a Sapphonic lifestyle"

No persuasion necessary. I already like poetry.

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koiflower
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posted April 09, 2009 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
DD is witty
with her ditty.
She loves art,
It feeds her heart.
The Law of Love
is DD's Law,
But will poetry always offer more?

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darkdreamer
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posted April 09, 2009 10:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message
"DD is witty
with her ditty.
She loves art,
It feeds her heart.
The Law of Love
is DD's Law,
But will poetry always offer more?"

Ah a poetic mind! But reaction`s not of the neptunian kind, more of the "I will teach you not to spill my secrets"-kind.


I liked that last line especially, made me think of what I once read: "Poetry can`t keep you warm at night, unless you decide to burn the poems. " D


Ah let me have my fantasies! They are my raison d`etre.

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venus in gemini
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posted April 09, 2009 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
I have a Venus trine Neptune double whammy with the man I am involved with. So each of us feels both the Venus and the Neptune side of it.

I was once told that this aspect was a very "healing" love. The only way I can begin to describe the feeling is...this great sense of peace. It's easy and effortless. Very tender and gentle. I agree with the beautiful and dreamy quality. Like it's too good to be true.

Even if I am ****** to hell at him, it seems like the Venus/Neptune aspect has more power. Being angry or irritated at him only lasts a minute, and then it's gone. Completely washed away by all those Venus/Neptune feelings. We also have Venus trine Neptune in the composite, so I guess that just adds to it.

I had a Magi report done for us, and this is what they said about it:

[VENUS TRINE YOUR NEPTUNE]
Linkage: ROM/R= +160. SEX/R= +90. CMPT/R= +170. ROMANCE LINKAGE. LIFETIME LINKAGE. ROMANTIC GOLDEN LINKAGE. This is one of the most powerful Romance Linkages and is often symbolic of an enduring romance. In terms of creating lifelong relationships, this is the best Linkage other than the Cinderella Linkages. This great linkage bestows and sustains a very harmonious, peaceful, serene and romantic union. It also improves the quality of sex between the two of you and even helps the two of you succeed and make money in what you do together.

Also, does anyone have any thoughts on Node conjunct Neptune in synastry? As to my purpose in the relationship? My Node conjuncts his Neptune. My path or purpose would be a higher, more spiritual love with him? Or does he give that to me? It's my Node in Libra/11th house conjunct his Neptune in Libra/4th house. My node also conjuncts his Vesta.

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AcousticGod
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posted April 09, 2009 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I have Love conjunct Higher Love.

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Got Gemini?
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posted April 09, 2009 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Well buena36, I know you are not saying it's simple, but it really isn't that simple. When we were younger, late teens, we both went on about our lives. We didn't see each other for a few years and when I heard she ha a child, I gave up and suppressed my feelings for her. I suppressed them but once in a while when I saw her or thought of her, they would pop back up. During the interim, I really did love my wife. If anything, the love I had for my wife was highly idealized as I completely ignored many red flags in the beginning; I'm talking about relationship dealbreakers.

With my scorpio, what I feel for her is not projection as lucia would say. We must remember that Neptune is still a benefic, NOT a malefic, so it's positive aspects will be felt moreso than it's negative aspects. (EDIT: I was wrong about Neptune being a Benefic)

My love for her stems from when I was 9 years old! I am not delusional, projecting, or any other negative thing associated with Neptune with my Scorpio.

Lucia, if you say that about Neptune, then what do you say about people who ARE with each other who completely idealize their SO when in reality things are absoluty horrible? I humbly disagree with your assessment on Neptune in synastry. I seriously mean humbly, I'm not taking indirect shots at you either.
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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted April 09, 2009 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I never read anything about Neptune being a benefic.

Neptune conjunctions tend to be interpreted negatively in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology.


also I don't believe in negative aspects and positive aspects.

Cosmobiologists use only the conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,and sesquqiuadrate. They don't view those aspects as negative but event-oriented aspects.

it really depends on the type of astrological system but I don't view Neptune as a benefic nor do I believe in positive and negative aspects.


there are people that use their hard aspects in positive ways and there are people that use their easy aspects in negative ways. Many use both in both negative and positive ways.


Raymond

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Got Gemini?
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posted April 09, 2009 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
You know Glaucus, after reading your last reply, I just looked up the benefics and Neptune is indeed NOT a benefic. It is a Malefic. I don't know how I screwed that one up. I thought I read it here somewhere that it was a Benefic. Oh well, I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing that out Glaucus!

Also Lucia, my scorpio and I grew up together in the same house. We lived together (as children) for about 4 years. It was during that time (actually the first day) that I fell in love with her. Her living with us only strengthened our bond.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted April 09, 2009 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Glaucus that there aren't really "negative" or "positive" aspects.

To me true love is all about living a clear, honest, conscientious life. That means being together with your primary partner (unless one of you is fighting in a war or something), and being monogamous and together with the person who is your true love, unless you have consensually and honestly decided to open your relationship to other partners.

Different people have different ideas about true love. Certainly, I agree that there are many (many!) people who have illusion-filled, crappy relationships in person and in day-to-day life.

I think Neptune increases the chances that you'll idealize a connection that once was, never was, or that (you think) never can be. Most relationships could actually happen, if both parties were equally interested, conscientious, and honest, and gave connecting with and living with that person the priority it deserved.

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posted April 09, 2009 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia, to a certain extent I agree with you. However, you can't paint all Neptunian contacts with that one broad stroke. I personally only can relate through my own personal experiences. I feel that Neptune through positive aspects can bring out that higher, spiritual love without the illusion or better yet, with much less illusion. And I'm not just saying this because of the synastry I have with her. Trust me, there have been many nights where I questioned myself on why I just don't give up loving her, and I've tried, it just doesn't work for me. There is no delusion or illusion between us. The writing on the wall is clear as day. I was in love with her looooooooong before I knew anything about astrology or Neptune LOL.

The thing that proves it for me is with my wife, who is a Pisces, I idealized her in a MAJOR way. Talk about rose coloured glasses, holy moly! But with my Scorpio, it is not like that at all.

With her, astrology aside, we are extremely compatible. We like most of the same things, have many similar habits, like the same music, food, places, etc. I mean, we have some differences too but she and I are very alike in a complimentary way. She is my type and I am her type. I mean, what's not to love about that? Furthermore, had she turned out to be a jerk, mean, unclean, selfish person, Im sure I would have naturally fallen out of love with her shortly after I got to know her. However, she is none of those things, she's actually quite the sweetheart. The synastry only backs up what I feel.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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buena36
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posted April 10, 2009 02:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi DD,

Aphrodite: 13°01 Libra
Sappho: 22°06 Libra
Apollo: 26°50 Libra
Adonis: 27°13 Libra

With your four Asteroids you are all around me:

My AC: 13'50 Libra - your Aphrodite
My Juno: 19'12 Libra – between your Aphrodite and Sappho
My EP: 19'50 Libra – between your Aphrodite and Sappho
My Jupiter R: 20'39 Libra - your Sappho close there
My part of illness: 26'50 Libra - your Apollo
Your Adonis not far from my POI!

No wonder that we are writing about Venus (love and Synastry).

If we were female and male, what means here you Aphrodite conjunction my AC?

Buena

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buena36
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posted April 10, 2009 02:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message
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buena36
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posted April 10, 2009 03:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi Got Gemini,

Sorry to write that about your marriage and being in love with someone else.

You are not the only one like that.

Only me, I don't understand that at all. Maybe I am a bit stupid about love: my heart can be with one person and not with two (at the same time).

Many men say: I love my wife but I am in love with somebody else. How can be that in the praxis? In fact men are the ones that do that, less the women.

The question is not only for you but for anybody here.

Buena

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buena36
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posted April 10, 2009 03:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi Glaucus,

Neptune as a planet is only here Benefic: in conjunction with Venus, because they are some kind of relatives.
In the fact Neptune is one of the worst planets especially in the case of the health. If Neptune rules 6th house or is in the 6th and has only one hard aspect then is never ending story in case of chronic pains. It is so, because doctors can't see (Neptune - fog), what is there going on.
I know that very well by myself and have seen by other people as well.

Buena

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darkdreamer
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posted April 10, 2009 05:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Buena,

lol about those LIbra-points and planets. BTW what is PO?

Well, if I was male and you were female, I guess my Aphrodite conjunct your ASC would mean that you`d be the embodiment of my "image of ideal feminity".


Don`t know what Aphrodite means in a non-sexual sense though.
Maybe you would trigger my jealousy towards some attributes I would envy you for? (Aphrodite was VERY jealous towards other females who seemed to be more appreciated for beauty, charm or whatever).

On the other hand I am not very prone to this kind of envy. So I do not know.


regarding Neptune: I think he can go both ways.
he can be extremely beneficial and he can be extremely elusive and cheating and deluding.

As a matter of fact, even though it does not have to be that way, I would always consider the possibility of not seeing someone too realistically with Neptune-aspects in synastry (or natal).

On the other hand that is of course a part of falling in love with a person; if we are in love, we do not see the other one realistcally, and maybe don´t even want to, that is something that sets in after a certain time.

I wouldn`t want to miss the charm and magic of that first "illusion-phase" though.

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buena36
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posted April 10, 2009 07:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi DD,

POI is Point of Illness. As you see, I have all possible in Libra, even that.

About Neptune, I have seen that in connection with health Neptune is the worst planet.
What I wrote about my situation and him: he has Sun conjunction Mars (Aries - head) in Capricorn; both in square with Neptune in 12th (ruler of 6th) and in square with Moon in Aries (head again).

It is not nice from me to study medical Astrology over him, but I was just curious, why he had brain attack, as he has nothing in 6th and nothing in 8th.

If that is too much, I can delete.

Thank you for Aphrodite.

WL, Buena

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posted April 10, 2009 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
And DD, you were spot on in saying what you said about me loving my wife. At one point, I loved her very much. It was an idealized love, but I loved her nevertheless. With my Scorpio, there is no idealizing. I think since our love extends from childhood, it kind of helps

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted April 10, 2009 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I liken hard venus/neptune aspects in the natal or synastry to an effin' mirage. Nope, don't like them one bit.

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posted April 10, 2009 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
buena36,

I prefer Cosmobiology when it comes to medical astrology. I don't trust mainstream astrology when it comes to that stuff because the houses are relative and even the use of zodiac signs. There are many vedic astrologers that are into medical astrology too,and they use the sidereal zodiac. They swear by that zodiac just like western astrologers swear by the tropical zodiac. Of course, some western astrologers are Cyril Fagan types that swear by the sidereal zodiac.


In Cosmobiology,

no houses are used
even the zodiac signs have little emphasis
only conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate, parallel, and contraparallel are considered
quincunx,trine,sextile are considered if part of geometrical aspect configuration like yod,grand trine,minor grand trine


they use midpoints pictures
including conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,parallel,contraparallel

according to Ruth Brummond's Rulebook which is used for Uranian Astrology but also can be used for Cosmobiology

MO : Moon : PSY: + has a strong anima. warm-hearted. cordial. nurturing. caring. kind. accommodating. affectionate. emotional.
MANIFESTATIONS : Archetypal Woman. Personal temperament or disposition. The emotional realm. One's inner nature. The populace. The public itself. The hour.
MED/CHEM: The brain. Body fluids. Secretions. The element Silver [Ag].
- moody. [needful of protection.]


so Moon is associated with the brain,body fluids. There are fluids in the brain Without water, the brain can't function

I have Moon square the opposition of Saturn and Neptune with corresponding midpoint picture of Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint


MO.SA.NE.
+ empathic. sensitive . private; drawn to obscurities. serious. free of confinement or restraints. cautious. deals with medical issues. seriously interested in metaphysical factors.
Gynecology. Concern with obscure problems. [Responsibilities during night hours.]
- secretive. insecure. dissatisfied; discontented. hopeless. pessimistic. melancholy. contrary. lacking in self-confidence. dejected; mournful. emotionally distraught. manic depressive. emotionally cold.
Uncertainty of an older woman. Continual deceit of or due to the wife. Secret separation from a woman. Problems due to uncertainty. Unrecognized problems. Continual emotional weakness. Insomnia. Long illness. Chronic circumstances. Brain malfuctions. Uncertainty about or due to public problems. Deceit of a small nation.


as you see, Moon=Saturn/Neptune can be an indicator for brain malfunctions.
in my case, I have brain malfunctions in the form of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD from a neurotypical view. Of course, I view them as just different type of mind from the neurodivergent perspective

but nonetheless, abnormal tends to mean something wrong with them, therefore my neurodivergence fits with that that configuration. I also have strengths that fit with Moon=Saturn/Neptune too


ME : Mercury : PSY: + agile. aware. able to reason. entertaining. has business acumen.
MANIFESTATIONS : The intellect. Thinking. Ideas. Language. Mental perception. Mimicry. Intellect. Verbal manifestations. News. Youth. Mobility. Mercantilism.
MED/CHEM: The nerves. The element Mercury [Hg].
- inconstant. nervous.

Mercury is associated with the nerves,nervous system, the nerves are in the entire body originating from the brain


I have Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint

interpretations for it

SU.ME.NE.
+ intuitive. has a lively and impressionistic mind. sensitive. sentimental. interested in metaphysical factors. inspired. quick to figure things out. highly imaginative. inquisitive. capable at abstract thinking. daydreams. future-oriented.
Discussion/s of a reclusive or secretive man. Communication about a man's uncertainty or instability. Discussion of physical vulnerabilities.
- easily impressed. deluded. indecisive. easily swayed. unrealistic. doesn't think clearly. absent-minded. confused. prone to lie. lacking in self-reliance.
Unclear ideas of man. Deceiving conversation with the husband. Deceit in younger years. The unconsciousness of youth. Thoughts of physical weakness. Days of Untruth. Years of business losses.


doesn't think clearly,absentminded,confused,indecesive fit with the neurodivergent issues of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD the positives of Mercury=Sun/Neptune fit with my neurodivergent strengths


Sun/Neptune midpoint is considered a point of weakness and so figures into health issues
so with my Mercury = Sun/Neptune.....my nerves,nervous system is considered weak,figures into health issues.......that's true as my nervous system is ultrasensitive connected to my neurodivergence, and so easily overwhelmed by stimuli which can lead to health issues both physical and mental

so yeah, I'd check out hard aspects involving the Moon and Mercury for brain,nervous system issues

keep in mind, that they can also be psychological,emotional problems too

but brain,nervous system issues can actually lead to psychological,emotional problems


for instance, neurodegenerative diseases like Huntington's disease can lead to depression


here are 2 sites on Cosmobiology in regards to Medical Astrology

SATURN/NEPTUNE relates to physical and emotional vulnerability, slowly developing illnesses that are difficult to diagnose, potentially undermining circumstances, the struggle between the higher and lower nature.

note that my moon = saturn/neptune........so my brain involves the saturn/neptune issues listed
http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/moons_eclipses.html
http://astromedicine.com/cosmobiology.htm

Raymond


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I have met this man, February 1980 and have seen him summer 1995, last time.
Even 1997 he was asking my friends for me. Then he has disappeared.
After few years we met, he had one company there, where I have lived because his father was from Slovenia.

As I am looking missing persons over Horary, I have found him now in Russia. Now I need him, but now he doesn't need me.

Buena

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posted April 19, 2009 05:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi Raymond,

Thank you for explanation about midpoints in Medical Astrology.

Sorry, I didn't see you here: in the Topic of higher love.

Higher love and the Chart are over.

Good luck with your health,
Buena

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