posted April 07, 2009 04:38 AM         

Venus = Love
Neptune = Higher Love

This really struck a chord with me.

I agree with her that in synastry, the conjunction can feel a powerful force.

The Opposition is on my synastry chart with my husband, as part of a Grand Cross configuration. Venus rules my 7th house, Neptune rules his ... and our eldest son has Venus Trine Neptune. A very kind and caring boy.

posted April 07, 2009 04:40 AM         

I realise that Neptune is a generational planet, but I think where there the interaction between Venus and Neptune includes other planets or is tight, it still carries weight.

What does everyone thing?

posted April 07, 2009 07:07 AM           

I met directly two men:

One was my junior, 9 years and my best friend for many years – he wanted more than that
Other was tooo much my junior whom I met in summer, 2000

with their Venus conjunction my Neptune.

The third was in the Astrology Forum: he did help me without to know me personally.

The first two were very nice men and pretty romantic; the third was married.

Buena

posted April 07, 2009 07:16 AM           

The person with Venus doesn't want to go away from you, even if there is nothing in reality.
The person with Neptune is a bit blind and doesn't see what other person wants.

I see that so because the second person (from 2000 - very young) was hanging on there where I was working. Good is, he has stayed only one week (he was tourist).

Buena

posted April 07, 2009 08:35 AM         

I always read how Neptune is blinders this, rose coloured glasses that, foggy this, fooling oneself that, etc. I believe those people that experience it that way either have it aspected with the disharmonious aspects whether they be in the synastry or natal.

Now I think Venus in harmonious aspect to Neptune can truly be a sublime thing; even more so if both of those planets are positively aspected in both native's natals. In that case, I think you get the positive side of Venus and Neptune. In that case, the feeling of sublime love is there WITHOUT the rose coloured blinders.

I have such a case with the woman whom I believe is my soulmate. I have been in love with her for over 20 years. We have positive aspects between our Moons, Plutos, Venus', and Neptunes. I love her with the clear understanding that we may never be together or at the very least, not until we are much older. I am quite realistic about our situations but still love her deeply and immensely despite it all. I can unequivocaly say that I feel the higher octave of Neptune love in our situation. And yes, I believe she feels similarly.

As far as our Venus Neptune intraspects, we had: Her Venus-Neptune conjunction conjunct my Neptune; our Moon-Pluto double whammy sextiles that Venus-Neptune conjunction.

So with that said, I wouldn't be so quick to call harmonious Venus-Neptune aspects illusory ones. Again, I think it's the disharmonious aspects that bring out the illusions.

posted April 07, 2009 09:23 AM           

Yes, I do think so about Venus and Neptune. Don't take is as some rules. I am in each case some special example.

Somebody told me: I am going like a blind person (Neptune in 12th) through the life. I don't see that what other people see.

It would be nice to have Neptune in some other house, but 12th house is past life and it means something.

Buena

posted April 07, 2009 09:31 AM           

You are really Neptunian’s guy! After 20 years in love you still hope, she will be with you!
She is married or what?

My proverb works: better late than never!

Wish you good luck,
Buena

posted April 07, 2009 09:32 AM         

When I first read the description that the planets that move in a slower cycle than Saturn as the higher-octave planets (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto) I bought right in :lightbulb:

posted April 07, 2009 10:06 AM         

Or something.

posted April 08, 2009 04:17 AM           

There is Neptune (higher Venus) co-ruler of Libra and Taurus (your link). In that case I have too much Neptune in my Chart.

I should be nun, live in Monastery, but don't like to pray (too boring!). They pray almost all day (I was sleeping in Monastery, twice).

Buena

posted April 08, 2009 04:22 AM           

Somebody says for that aspect: it is God's love!
That means something like: one side looks the other side as a God or Goddess.

Love me, but don't touch me!

Buena

posted April 08, 2009 10:10 AM         

Why wish for another placement besides Neptune in 12th? Neptune is in its own house,and so is quite powerful

My maternal Aunt Dede has Neptune in 12th conjunct her Sun in 12th. My mother has something similar with Sun in 12th trine Neptune. I have something similar with Moon in Pisces square Neptune. I also wonder about my Saturn/Neptune midpoint in 12th, especially with it being activated by a 17 minute opposition from the Moon.

strong Neptune/Pisces/12th house themes could be used for inspiration,compassion,and selfless service,and spirituality

This is from KEYWORDS IN ASTROLOGY by Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler

Neptune in the 12th house
Dignity
Nirvana

STRENGTH: The Transparent or Transcendent Individual.
Responsive to voices or images from the unconscious so that one is constantly led by strong invisible powers to everything important in this life. Inexplicable certainty of being "found" by nirvana. Artistic talent.

PROBLEM AREA: The Confused Person.
Can be overwhelmed by the forces of the unconscious because of repression or simple ignorance of mediumistic abilities. Lives beyond all limits and structures. "Knows" that only the illusion is not an illusion.

FINDS IN SECLUSION: Visions

They wrote the following for 12th house

12th House: I Dream

Analogy: Pisces
Ruler: Jupiter,Neptune
Exaltation: Venus
Detriment: Mercury
Fall: Mercury
Element: Water
Quality: Mutable
Gender: Femini

GENERAL: Seclusion from the World.
Transcendental experiences,mysticism,trance,ecstasy,purification,
sacrifice,transfiguration,withdrawal from the
world. Secrets and clandestine enemies. Voluntary isolation (hermitage,monastery) or
involuntary isolation (hospital,prison). Longing for the "roof of the world." Configurations in this house are shown to outer world with shyness--if they are shown at all. They can also be experienced as nonexistent for a long time, yet still develop in silence. Or they can be discovered and developed in seclusion.

POLARITY: All things incomprehensible and boundless and dissolution in contrast to the order,clarity,and limitation in the 6th house.

posted April 08, 2009 10:23 AM         

Venus=love
Neptune=delusion and projection.

Venus contacting personal planets in synastry is like: When we see each other, theres a strong rapport and sense of emotional connection and romantic attraction. We like to have picnics together. S/he's pretty! When we were both single, we spent a lot of time sitting together in person, in real life. We liked each other's company, felt attracted, and made out. We are moving in together. We will probably have kids.

Neptune contacting personal planets in synastry is like: I saw a faded copy of his/her picture and even though we've never met, s/he's The One! My SoulMate! We're both involved in immensely complicated other relationships that aren't working in REAL LIFE, and we don't actually spend any real time together, but our love feels perfect, fated, and like it's on a deep Soul Level because it exists in our fantasy lives!!!!

I think if you love someone you're not with, that's actually your personal, internal, fantasty feeling of love--projected onto the other person--not actually real romantic love BETWEEN you and that person. Even if both people feel the love fantasy, they are projecting that onto each other.

Real love BETWEEN people, I think, is when you actually ARE together, day by day, physically and in ordinary life, without a big pile of distancing complications ("we are SoulMates but s/he is married to someone else")---you live a daily life together for years, you know each other deeply from real, in-person, interpersonal contact rather than fantasy, and you still like, respect, love, and want each other.

quote:

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Part of the illusion allows you get to grow old together, convinced you are the hottest things in town.

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I like this! Yes, a Venus-Neptune contact in synastry might add a beautifully dreamy quality to a real-life relationship.

BUT, I think Neptune in synastry shows where we have delusions and fantasies about the other person in the relationship. I actually think Venus-Neptune itself is better for real relationships than Neptune-Sun, Neptune-Moon, or Neptune-Asc...all of those can tend to make people harbor huge illusions about each other, and/or live in a total fantasy.

The weirdest thing (with Neptune-Sun or Neptune-Moon) is that often the fantasy never goes away and the scales never fall from the person's eyes. The illusion remains: "We can never be together for [insert reason here], but if we WERE together it would be beautiful and our love is beautiful."

posted April 08, 2009 10:46 AM         

There are couples that can truly love each other even though there is distance

a lot of military couples are like that

especially couples that are not together because of 6 month deployments like WESTPAC.
I was in the US Navy,and so I have been on deployments.

I think that the perception of what love is real can be very subjective and vary person to person.

also I know a woman whose Venus squares Neptune with 1 guy, and he was an alcoholic. She didn't see him clearly enough

She ended up being married to a guy that she didn't know for even a year. Her Moon squares his Neptune. The guy is a spiritually oriented.

I think that it really depends on the individual,couple on how certain aspect works...regardless if it's an easy or hard aspect

also hard Neptune aspects in synastry or composite could also indicate a couple or a part of the couple that has special needs of some kind like it could be health problems(mental,physical), it could be special education needs/neurodivergence

also...there are alcoholics,drug addicts with easy Neptune aspects and spiritually oriented people with hard Neptune aspects

Stephen Arroyo expressed his view that hard Neptune aspects were found in people that were on serious spiritual and he found people with easy Neptune aspects that would read spiritual books but do nothing about it and even smoke pot

of course,you can't generalize. It really depends on the person

In my family,I have the most "afflicted" Neptune with my Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition t-square, but I don't drink nor use drugs. My mom has easier Neptune aspects than me with Pluto sextile Sun-Neptune minor grand grand, but she is a recovering drug addict and alcoholic. She has Venus-Uranus square Neptune though. but still her Neptune is more harmoniously aspected than mine.

my Aunt Dede has Sun-Neptune in 12th sextile Midheaven, and she is recovering alcoholic. She has a history of smoking weed.

posted April 08, 2009 10:48 AM         

That's why sometimes I can be a little skeptical of these outer planet contacts in synastry, cause then does that mean all those people 3+ yrs old than me, don't see me as I really am? Or maybe I don't see them clearly...

posted April 08, 2009 11:12 AM         

I guess it's like anything astrological. I mean, I'm inevitably going to have an exact Sun-Venus conjunction, say, with thousands of people in the world. It doesn't mean they'll all be my boyfriends! (Just most of them, Lol)

posted April 08, 2009 11:16 AM         

it makes sense that the more outer,generational the object, the smaller the orbs should be

take for instance Sedna that evolves around the Sun in over 10,000 years..moves far slower than all the outer planets and kuiper belt objects. It wouldn't make sense to use the same orbs for the inner planets,Jupiter,and Saturn...it wouldn't make sense to use the same orbs for the outerplanets, Uranus and Neptune.

posted April 08, 2009 12:13 PM           

"I think that the perception of what love is real can be very subjective and vary person to person"

posted April 08, 2009 12:15 PM         

Ok, so let's say there is a Venus/Neptune contact in synastry that is under 1 degree.
Who feels it more?