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CarbonUnit
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posted April 18, 2009 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CarbonUnit     Edit/Delete Message
Is a stellium 3 or more planets in a house or 3 or more planets in a sign? What does a stellium tell you?

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amowls
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posted April 18, 2009 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Both. There can be house stelliums or sign stelliums.

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posted April 18, 2009 01:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Stelliums can be planets grouped in a sign/house/by aspect.

I just see them as conjunctions. Why stelliums are noted as being strong is likely down to them being the best aspect. The strongest aspect.
You can see it as planets working in harmony with each other....3 or more is better than 2. Or you can see the planets as similar, but representing the houses they rule.
You have 4 or more together, thats 4 houses which are connected...at least.

Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.

I have Sun, Saturn and Jupiter within 9 degrees of each other.
Sun rules Leo, Saturn rules Capricorn, and Jupiter rules Sagittarius.

Leo is on my 7th cusp, Capricorn is on my 12th cusp, and Sagittarius is on my 11th cusp.

Houses 7/11/12 Should all be working pretty good with each other.


Hope that wasnt too long. If so, I wont be apologising.

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Lara
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posted April 18, 2009 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.

So kick it, are you saying that my sun at 5' taurus is part of my 18-21' aries stellium? hmmm

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posted April 18, 2009 02:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Your Sun in Taurus at 5 degrees is conjunct anything upto 20 degrees Taurus. Anything past 20 degrees is not a conjunction to your Sun.

You want to list them planets?

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted April 18, 2009 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
A stellium is a CONJUNCTION of 3 or more planets. If you're reading a chart a conjunction should be no more than 6 degrees wide. If you're really feeling it, go 7 degrees. Some astrologers will say up to 10 degrees if the Sun or Moon are involved but when you're doing consultations and you're going for strong event recognition, the tighter the orb the more accurate you'll be. So, if I was reading your chart, that would not be considered a stellium. I would say that you have a strong Taurus influence, but wouldn't make any projections or descriptions of you based on a conjunction wider than 6 or 7 degrees. That's very tall grass to make descriptions from.

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katatonic
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posted April 18, 2009 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
no, kick it, 15 degrees is already another aspect. i forget what the proper name is but it is both half a semisextile (sesquisextile?) and a third of a semi-square...

IF however there were a planet (or planets, even stronger) halfway between the two they would be in a quasi - conjunct state by virtue of their relationship to the planet at the midpoint.

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Lara
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posted April 18, 2009 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Thats what i thought Geo, thanks

Kick it - saturn/nn/moon 18' aries, venus 21' aries, sun 5' taurus, mercury 7' taurus. all in 3rd h

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Glaucus
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posted April 18, 2009 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
15 degrees is a quindecile. 24th harmonic aspect.


Noel Tyl calls the 165 degree aspect which is also 24th harmonic a quindecile.

Robert Blaschke disagrees,and he calls the 165 degree aspect a contraquindecile and calls the 15 degree aspect quindecile


if 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is quindecile, then you have 24th harmonic triangle with the 3rd planet conjunct the midpoint of planets 1 and 2.

If 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is contraquindecile, then you have 24th harmonic isosceles triangle with the 3rd planet oppose the midpoint of planets 1 and 2. It looks like a skinny yod.


15 degrees,24th harmonics aspects are following

15 degrees - quindedicle
30 degrees - semisextile
45 degrees - semisquare
60 degrees - sextile
75 degrees - squile
90 degrees - square
105 degrees - squine
120 degrees - trine
135 degrees - sesquiquadrate
150 degrees - quincunx
165 degrees - contraquindecile
180 degrees - opposition


once aspects get past 180 degrees,they are all waning aspects

I have Moon squine Mercury with 10 minutes of arc, and transiting Pluto is aspecting it, sextiling my Moon and semisquaring my Mercury at the same time

I wouldn't use wide orbs with aspects because they go into other harmonics

Johannes Kepler opened up a can of worms when he devised minor aspects based on harmonics. He was one of those astrologers didn't care about zodiac signs and houses, and therefore he didn't care about how the waxing/waning ptolemaic aspects and inconjuncts corresponded with the 12 zodiac signs and 12 houses.

Raymond

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted April 18, 2009 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Raymond. Especially for giving me the real name for the 165 degree aspect. I've always known that Noel Tyl made a conscious decision to call the Contraquindecile by the name Quindecile to simplify the idea and the rest of the world seems to be catching on. But he has said in writing many times that he has done this on purpose and is well aware that the word quindecile is one of the words for the number 15 in italian.

But it's times like this when we need the proper meaning of quindecile as we are speaking of a true orb of 15 degrees to teach about orbs.

Yeah, I'm all about the Contraquindecile, my favorite!!

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CarbonUnit
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posted April 18, 2009 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CarbonUnit     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks everyone! So a stellium would be a really good energy in the chart and a main focus in a persons life?

I don't know anything about the harmonics. Are there any suggestions on where to learn about them? Are they something to do with the spiritual side of astrology?

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posted April 18, 2009 03:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message
quote:
saturn/nn/moon 18' aries, venus 21' aries, sun 5' taurus, mercury 7' taurus.

Sun conjuncts Mercury and Saturn/NN/Moon.
Not Venus. 1 stellium.

Venus conjuncts Saturn/NN/Moon and Mercury.
Not Sun. 1 Stellium.


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no, kick it, 15 degrees is already another aspect. i forget what the proper name is but it is both half a semisextile (sesquisextile?) and a third of a semi-square...

Semi-square, sesquiwhatsit, and whatever are somewhat bearable and plausable, but aint buying it.

I go with 30 degree aspects only. 15 degrees either side of a planet is a conjunction. That is a whole 30 degrees....the length of a sign - just to keep everything in proportion. If 30 degrees is the length of a sign, and there are 12 signs, that makes up a whole lot of degrees numbering 360.
That is also 12 aspects.

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Glaucus
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posted April 18, 2009 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I wouldn't use orbs that wide. Too wide for me

with the orbs that you use, my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd would be conjunct Mercury 18'21 in 3rd with a 13'01 orb
My Mercury conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd would be conjunct with 13'27 orb


In my 9th harmonic chart, there is a grand trine of Sun with 18'02 Leo,Mercury in 15'05 Sagittarius,Neptune in 16'13 Aries

3rd harmonic x 9th harmonic = 27th harmonic


therefore, my Sun,Mercury,and Neptune are in 27th harmonic aspect to each other,and not a conjunction. My Sun is not conjunct Mercury nor is my Mercury conjunct Neptune.

my Mercury is conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint with 14 minutes of arc.

If I can identify with Mercury conjunct Neptune, it's because of Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint as well as my Mercury parallel Neptune of 33 minutes of arc in the declinations. Of course,my Neptune in 3rd too.


creator of Kepler software,David Cochrane is into harmonics. He calls the type of Astrology that he does "Cosmic Cybernetics" http://www.astrosoftware.com/CosmicCybernetics.htm


I'd be looking for any possible parallels between the planets that are in wide conjunctions. I would also check if they are part of a midpoint configuration.


Raymond

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posted April 18, 2009 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
So a stellium would be a really good energy in the chart and a main focus in a persons life?

A stellium can be a really good energy in a chart if that person has an otherwise unspectacular chart that needs a good kick in the pants. However, more often times what will happen, especially if the stellium is angular, is that the energy will throw the personality off kilter to such an extent that the person will behave too much like the sign in question.


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Pluto conjunct Sun/ASC
Pluto sextile Mars
Pluto square MC/Juno
Pluto trine Pallas
1st House Scorpio Moon, Mercury, Venus, & Uranus.
"We learn more about ourselves in death than we do when we are alive."

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Glaucus
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posted April 18, 2009 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Plutonian Persona,

what degrees are your Scorpio Planets in?

My Sun is in 5'20 Scorpio
My Mercury is in 18'21 Scorpio
My Venus is in 21'47 Scorpio

Raymond

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PeaceAngel
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posted April 19, 2009 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Do you count Chiron and AC in stellium? Or just planets? I mean, I know we're opening the door for asteroids with Chiron, and that's ridiculous here as there are thousands of asteroids that would cover every degree of our chart, so maybe just the points then - AC, the Nodes, etc - do they count in a stellium?

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posted April 19, 2009 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond:

Moon and Venus at 14 degrees and Uranus and Mercury at 20 degrees. My stellium is funny with 2 sets of 2 planets right on top of each other.

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Glaucus
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posted April 19, 2009 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Do you count Chiron and AC in stellium? Or just planets? I mean, I know we're opening the door for asteroids with Chiron, and that's ridiculous here as there are thousands of asteroids that would cover every degree of our chart, so maybe just the points then - AC, the Nodes, etc - do they count in a stellium?" "


I don't count Chiron because it's not a planet. It's a centaur.
I don't count Ascendant,Midheaven,and Nodes because they are abstract points. All physical objects have nodes. An orbital node is one of the two points where an orbit crosses a plane of reference which it is inclined to.

I wouldn't even count Pluto as part of a stellium because technically it's not a planet but a kuiper belt object. If Pluto is used, then why not use the other big kuiper objects.

in my chart:

Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio in 2nd
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd


the large kuiper belt objects, Quaoar and Ixion are conjunct my Sun.


It really depends on what the astrologer uses.


There are a lot of astrological systems,and many astrologers disagree with what to use in Astrology.


use what you think makes you feel comfortable.

I can't say that I am comfortable with mainstream regular Astrology,and I feel that I need to make changes in how I do it as I learn more about latest discoveries of other objects in our solar system.


Raymond

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