posted April 18, 2009 01:49 PM           

I just see them as conjunctions. Why stelliums are noted as being strong is likely down to them being the best aspect. The strongest aspect.
You can see it as planets working in harmony with each other....3 or more is better than 2. Or you can see the planets as similar, but representing the houses they rule.
You have 4 or more together, thats 4 houses which are connected...at least.

Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.

I have Sun, Saturn and Jupiter within 9 degrees of each other.
Sun rules Leo, Saturn rules Capricorn, and Jupiter rules Sagittarius.

Leo is on my 7th cusp, Capricorn is on my 12th cusp, and Sagittarius is on my 11th cusp.

Houses 7/11/12 Should all be working pretty good with each other.

posted April 18, 2009 01:54 PM         

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Start with the 1st planet and count 15 degrees either side. Whatever is in that area, is conjunct.

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posted April 18, 2009 02:38 PM         

Noel Tyl calls the 165 degree aspect which is also 24th harmonic a quindecile.

Robert Blaschke disagrees,and he calls the 165 degree aspect a contraquindecile and calls the 15 degree aspect quindecile

if 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is quindecile, then you have 24th harmonic triangle with the 3rd planet conjunct the midpoint of planets 1 and 2.

If 2 planets are semisextile,and a 3rd planet is contraquindecile, then you have 24th harmonic isosceles triangle with the 3rd planet oppose the midpoint of planets 1 and 2. It looks like a skinny yod.

15 degrees,24th harmonics aspects are following

15 degrees - quindedicle
30 degrees - semisextile
45 degrees - semisquare
60 degrees - sextile
75 degrees - squile
90 degrees - square
105 degrees - squine
120 degrees - trine
135 degrees - sesquiquadrate
150 degrees - quincunx
165 degrees - contraquindecile
180 degrees - opposition

once aspects get past 180 degrees,they are all waning aspects

I have Moon squine Mercury with 10 minutes of arc, and transiting Pluto is aspecting it, sextiling my Moon and semisquaring my Mercury at the same time

I wouldn't use wide orbs with aspects because they go into other harmonics

Johannes Kepler opened up a can of worms when he devised minor aspects based on harmonics. He was one of those astrologers didn't care about zodiac signs and houses, and therefore he didn't care about how the waxing/waning ptolemaic aspects and inconjuncts corresponded with the 12 zodiac signs and 12 houses.

posted April 18, 2009 03:33 PM         

But it's times like this when we need the proper meaning of quindecile as we are speaking of a true orb of 15 degrees to teach about orbs.

posted April 18, 2009 03:40 PM           

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saturn/nn/moon 18' aries, venus 21' aries, sun 5' taurus, mercury 7' taurus.

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Sun conjuncts Mercury and Saturn/NN/Moon.
Not Venus. 1 stellium.

Venus conjuncts Saturn/NN/Moon and Mercury.
Not Sun. 1 Stellium.

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no, kick it, 15 degrees is already another aspect. i forget what the proper name is but it is both half a semisextile (sesquisextile?) and a third of a semi-square...

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Semi-square, sesquiwhatsit, and whatever are somewhat bearable and plausable, but aint buying it.

posted April 18, 2009 04:30 PM         

with the orbs that you use, my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd would be conjunct Mercury 18'21 in 3rd with a 13'01 orb
My Mercury conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd would be conjunct with 13'27 orb

In my 9th harmonic chart, there is a grand trine of Sun with 18'02 Leo,Mercury in 15'05 Sagittarius,Neptune in 16'13 Aries

3rd harmonic x 9th harmonic = 27th harmonic

therefore, my Sun,Mercury,and Neptune are in 27th harmonic aspect to each other,and not a conjunction. My Sun is not conjunct Mercury nor is my Mercury conjunct Neptune.

my Mercury is conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint with 14 minutes of arc.

If I can identify with Mercury conjunct Neptune, it's because of Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint as well as my Mercury parallel Neptune of 33 minutes of arc in the declinations. Of course,my Neptune in 3rd too.

creator of Kepler software,David Cochrane is into harmonics. He calls the type of Astrology that he does "Cosmic Cybernetics" http://www.astrosoftware.com/CosmicCybernetics.htm

I'd be looking for any possible parallels between the planets that are in wide conjunctions. I would also check if they are part of a midpoint configuration.

posted April 18, 2009 10:44 PM         

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So a stellium would be a really good energy in the chart and a main focus in a persons life?

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A stellium can be a really good energy in a chart if that person has an otherwise unspectacular chart that needs a good kick in the pants. However, more often times what will happen, especially if the stellium is angular, is that the energy will throw the personality off kilter to such an extent that the person will behave too much like the sign in question.

posted April 18, 2009 10:49 PM         

what degrees are your Scorpio Planets in?

My Sun is in 5'20 Scorpio
My Mercury is in 18'21 Scorpio
My Venus is in 21'47 Scorpio

posted April 19, 2009 03:21 AM         

I don't count Chiron because it's not a planet. It's a centaur.
I don't count Ascendant,Midheaven,and Nodes because they are abstract points. All physical objects have nodes. An orbital node is one of the two points where an orbit crosses a plane of reference which it is inclined to.

I wouldn't even count Pluto as part of a stellium because technically it's not a planet but a kuiper belt object. If Pluto is used, then why not use the other big kuiper objects.

in my chart:

Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio in 2nd
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd

the large kuiper belt objects, Quaoar and Ixion are conjunct my Sun.

It really depends on what the astrologer uses.

There are a lot of astrological systems,and many astrologers disagree with what to use in Astrology.

use what you think makes you feel comfortable.

I can't say that I am comfortable with mainstream regular Astrology,and I feel that I need to make changes in how I do it as I learn more about latest discoveries of other objects in our solar system.

Raymond