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DiandraReborn25
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posted August 26, 2009 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
for me it was these:

Sun cj ASC
Mars cj jUp
Moon on other´s 5TH
IC cj ASC
VX cj MC
NN cj MC
Juno cj IC
KIRON CJ Moon
Moon trine Venus
Amor cj PF
KARMA cj JUNO and OSIRIS

glue between me and my bf...yup

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fiona
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posted August 26, 2009 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fiona     Edit/Delete Message
I have angle overlays with both my sisters and mother. I also have it with close friends. I think it's a good indicator of close, long-lasting relationships.

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Lara
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posted August 26, 2009 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Diandra, do you see oppositions as glue or more as an annoyance. What's your opinion

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DiandraReborn25
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posted August 26, 2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
lara

i think it depends on the natal of each one,if it s a person that needs the oposition´s enegie,then on that case i would consider that for them it is sth they need and actually want in the relationship.

like ashton and demi for example?

but for instance,for me and John,as we are both very sensitive and dont like arguments or tense environement at all...for us,i consider the too much opositions or squares would make the relationship very hard.

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MsCandeh
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posted August 27, 2009 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
Can I play devil's advocate here?

My longest relationship (3 yrs on/off lots of ups and downs but very transformative r/ship.. and 18 months afterwards FWB until I got into a new relationship which crushed him )

His ASC trine my Moon (my 9th)
His ASC opp my Uranus (DW) (my 10th)
ASC trine ASC
My ASC trine his Pluto (his 4th)
My ASC square his Uranus (DW) (his 5th)

His MC/IC square my Neptune (my 11th)
My MC trine his Sun (his 9th)

His Uranus cj my Mars on my MC (his 5th)

My Moon cj his Pluto exact (my 9th his 4th)
(interesting as my ASC trines his Pluto and his ASC trines my moon)

At first glance at the synastry chart there aren't a lot of angle connections (conjunctions) however after looking at it I think its the Moon/Pluto conjunction that makes this glue, which is tied up with the fact our ASC's trine these planets.

We always said we would know each other until we grow old no matter what, whether we are together or friends and married to other people. At the moment we aren't speaking but it's more of a space thing than anything. Those damn Uranus aspects never helped us! lol ... but I'm giving him space he needs right now. *sigh* and then we can go back to our up/downness lol

But asides from the Moon/Pluto there aren't a lot of angle aspects that are really tight or conjunct (my Lust cj his ASC which probably contributed to the FWB part lol and I don't think his Uranus cj my Mars/MC helps!) .. so that's where the devil's advocate comes in XP

Oh and his Saturn cj my Karma in my 7th/his 3rd. That probably helps with glue too I'd imagine or at least a fateful connection.


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MyVirgoMask
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posted August 27, 2009 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
If not angles conjunct/contact, then the rulers of the angles. That's close enough.

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MsCandeh
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posted August 27, 2009 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
hmm well my chart ruler is Uranus and we have lots of Uranus connections (including his on my MC mine on his DC)
His chart ruler is Mercury and neither of our mercuries make any connections apart from my Merc square his Jupiter. :/ We've been close for 5 years, the longest we've gone without talking is about 4 weeks... I haven't spoken to him for about 2 weeks now.
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Re: family and synastry (i.e. long-lasting relationships) I only know my brothers birth time for sure.

So, his chart ruler is Mercury. Mine is Uranus.

My Moon cj his IC
My Neptune cj his DC

My Uranus opp his Sun/Chiron (Note: his Sun Sign ruler is also his Chart ruler, and his Sun Sign is opposing my chart ruler)
His Uranus sextile my Moon (our moons are in opposition too)
His Mercury cj my NN

I don't know exactly what this means but at least there are a couple of angle cj. Funny how none of his planets hit my angles.
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I have two good friends of about 10 years.
My chart ruler = Uranus

Friend 1 (chart ruler = Jupiter):

Her Mars on my MC (cj my Mars) in Scorpio [has Mars connections]
My Uranus on her ASC (Note: My ASC ruler is cj her ASC)
My ASC cj her IC exact

My Jupiter sextile her Mars
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Friend 2 (chart ruler = Mercury);

Her Mars on my MC (cj my Mars) (in Scorpio)
Her Saturn on my MC (cj my Mars)
Her Sun cj my ASC (Note: her Sun sign ruler is also my ASC ruler)

My Mercury sextile her Moon which is cj my Vertex
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The guy which should have had 'cosmic glue' but it appears he's more interested in playing mind games right now (though we were inseparable at one point):
His chart ruler = Venus

His Moon cj my ASC (Note: My his Moon ruler is Uranus and my ASC ruler is Uranus)
My Sun cj his ASC (Note: My Sun ruler is Venus and his ASC ruler is Venus)
His Mercury cj my IC (which is also cj my Sun) (Note: Mercury is his Sun Sign ruler, and this cj my Sun/IC)
His ASC cj my IC (Note: his ASC ruler is Venus, my IC ruler is Venus)
My Mars cj his DC (Note: his DC ruler is Mars/Pluto (in Scorpio))

His Venus cj my Mercury (which is also cj his Mars)
My Venus square his Saturn
My Venus opposes his Uranus (our chart rulers oppose?!)
My Uranus cj his Neptune
My Uranus oppose his Sun/Jupiter conjunction

----> so... devil's advocate again... this relationship ended suddenly (though he still wants to be friends, but hasn't called me yet since returning from overseas yesterday) ... I don't feel the saga is over yet, but this is the most intense angle synastry I have had with anyone that I know of including someone who I know for sure was my soul mate but we couldn;t be together in this lifetime! On top of these connections my Moon cj his NN and my Jupiter cj his Vertex... mmm and I don't think it will be a long-lasting relationship at all as I am cutting ties with him because of his deviousness! I think that has more to do with his natal chart than anything though. *sigh* .. shame when there's awesome synastry and the guy is a tool lol

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posted August 27, 2009 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
"... shame when there's awesome synastry and the guy is a tool lol"
Yeah, that blows, and there sure are a lot of tools in the tool shed (world)

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MsCandeh
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posted August 27, 2009 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
lol and I always seem to find the biggest, shiniest tool in the shed too... one that you think will be good to use but it's really all just for show.. really they are useless XP

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comica23
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posted August 27, 2009 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
Angles' rulers are meaningful coz they are related to the nature of our angles, so when they are activated, feelings related to the angles would be activated. For example, for someone to have a Gemini DC, if someone else activates this person's Mercury, then it would arouse feelings related to Gemini, therefore related to the DC. X3


Me and my bf have tight ACs opposition, but before I've got his birth time right, I always felt that despite our differences, we are kind of like opposites with many similarities.
But well, then I've noticed that our angles' rulers are actually all aspected to each other..

- Neptune, his AC ruler/my DC ruler trines my AC/his DC;
- Mercury, his IC/DC ruler, is right on my IC, and is also my AC/MC ruler, that trines his MC ruler;
- also, Jupiter, being my IC ruler, doesn't aspect his angles rulers nor angles, but still makes aspects to some of his planets.

Before knowing these things (and having his right birth time lol), I thought that our synastry was really not good (lack of aspects between personal planets, plus 2 t-squares!), but I guess that there are hidden treasures that we often don't notice. X3

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posted August 27, 2009 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Glue aspects - other than saturn

Many aspects
tight orb aspects
DW
venus-pluto DW
node connection
eros connection

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Lucia23
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posted August 27, 2009 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
A huge problem with this discussion is different definitions of "glue" aspects--I think the things that make us stay obsessed with someone we keep hurting and aren't actually involved with after an on-again, off-again 3 or 4 year relationship are different from the things that make us happily stay with someone, day to day, for 10+ years.

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posted August 27, 2009 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
With my marriage, we have like 1 or 2 Saturn aspects. It has been a very rocky 8 years. To be honest, sometimes I feel it's not going to work. However, I believe in Saturn aspects being ones that enable people that "let's stick it out together" feeling.

For me though, harmonius aspects between the first 5 is more desireable to me.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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belgz
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posted August 27, 2009 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
diandra me and my bf of 10 years have almost similiar aspects.
My sun and mercury exactly cnj his asc.
An exact trine between our moons.
Pluto trine moon exact
Saturn trine moon exact.
Pluto and saturn trine n.n exact.
His n.n cnj my sun and mercury exact.
His moon cnj my ceres
His ceres trine my sun
My Asc cnj his ic.
Me water cancer and him taurus earth = mud.
His mars cnj my asc and my mars cnj his.


Will be 10 yrs in march and physically we are inseperable.

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•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

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etherealenlightenment
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posted August 27, 2009 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message
Quick question guys: what do you think about Sun/AC and Moon/IC aspects involving parallels and contraparallels? Are they just as valid? Or to a lesser degree? Thank you so much

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posted August 28, 2009 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lionseye***     Edit/Delete Message
For me, the single most common tie has been nodal conjunctions. South node conjunctions, feel like home and you keep coming back to them, even though they can feel like they're holding you back. North node conjunctions can make you feel like you're finally getting somewhere, even though they can make you feel insecure, and like you're treading on unfamilier ground. But you know you need to go there, and you're taking a leap of faith when you do so. The planet person is usually quite reassuring, and they're able to give you just enough confidence to go with it. See, that's why they're there. To pull you foward into the direction of your north node.

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Lucia23
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posted August 28, 2009 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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South node conjunctions, feel like home and you keep coming back to them, even though they can feel like they're holding you back. North node conjunctions can make you feel like you're finally getting somewhere, even though they can make you feel insecure, and like you're treading on unfamilier ground. But you know you need to go there, and you're taking a leap of faith when you do so.

YES! This is so right on. I feel this very intensely with my friend where my NN conjuncts his SN and Jupiter.

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posted August 28, 2009 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
In my on and off relationship in last 2 year we have many square and oppositions. We cant live with and without. But i will beleve its stopped now.

In draconic much of my planets conj his planets. I have my nort nod 1,28 in cancer.

I dont use paralells and contraparallel in synastry because i have sun,asc, moon, venus, jupiter, pluto paralell in my own chart and cant make out any effect of that. No meening to use time to anything i cant se the effect to. But maybe it works well in synastry. I hope anyone checked it out.

my mother and father have much square in there synastry and they lived togheter in 40 year. Strong tie and they i allways say they lived in war to each other. They are divorced now as good luck. My father was 70 when they divorced.

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posted August 28, 2009 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia,

I see that "glue" aspects could also mean someone you have had trouble with but are close to them, despite the issues? (This could be on/off again). With regards to my experience, I still know the person well, and he knows me inside out and we'll continue to know each other for a long time. Our relationship was only 3 years (on/off) but we have grown together and learnt a lot from each other since then too - an extra 2 years from our break up and still ongoing. Not always smooth, but the we are still in each other's lives through thick and thin.

I found it interesting to note that someone I should have gluey aspects with (intense angle synastry) well, we aren't glued together. Painful break though at least on my part, but I don't think we'll go on knowing each other for years.

JM2c with regards to the angle-aspects and cosmic glueness

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posted August 28, 2009 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
belgz

that is so sweet-...10 years it is really sth great!we are just 3years now together :P

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Lara
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posted August 28, 2009 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Diandra and Belgz,

I have similar aspects too although mine is in the baby baby stage

sun cj moon
sun trine moon
Sun trine AC
IC cj karma/juno
IC cj lust/valentine
AC cj DC
NN cj sun/mercury exact
venus cj lust
saturn sextile sun
saturn opposing mars
saturn conjunct moon
saturn/AC DW sextile/trine
pluto trine mars
uranus/venus DW
uranus trine mars exact
pluto/persephone trine
SN conjunct karma/juno
Karma cj DC
Vertex trine moon
Ceres square venus DW
Valentine trine AC
NN cj venus/mars midpoint
venus sq sun/moon midpoint
AC cj osiris
AC trine osiris

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posted August 28, 2009 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
I have a question about all this-- what kinds of orbs are we talking about for planets to angles, nodes to angles and planets, and nodes to nodes. I always hear that wider orbs don't really "count" so to speak when they not super close but if these aspects are so important, wouldn't wider orbs be felt too? and taken into consideration?

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posted August 28, 2009 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I vary the orbs I use intuitively, looking at the chart as a whole in connection with the situation.

Basically, astrological tools shouldn't be used to "test" whether people are "soul mates" or "meant to be," or to try to prove that they are. Each synastry should be looked at to see the complex energies and dynamics of that unique relationship.

I realized I was focusing on narrow orbs to deter all those "This woman who lives in another city and is married to someone else is my Soul Mate"/"Is this man at work who hasn't spoken to me in four months my Soul Mate, just so overwhelmed by his feelings for me that he can't talk?" kind of people from posting interminable lists of their wide-orbed asteroid contacts with people they aren't actually involved with...which was silly of me.

Check out synastry using equal parts intuition, real life, and solid astrological tools and resources including whichever standard interpretations seem right on to you. If you usually use a 3 degree orb for planet contacts, but you and your partner of 18 years have a same sign Saturn-Sun conjunction at an orb way wider than you would normally use, let's say a 12.5 degree orb, and you notice that you really feel that Sun-Saturn contact, of course take it into consideration.

Intuition/experience aside, I regularly widen orbs for one half of a double-whammy (say A's Pluto is square B's Venus at 0 degrees, but B's Pluto is conjunct A's Venus at 9 degrees...that will be felt way differently than if B's Pluto had no contact with A's Venus.) As I look at more people's synastry, I also look at things like Suns out of orb--meaning, let's say A's Sun is at 1 degree Leo, B's Sun is at 21 degrees Aries. They don't have a full-on Sun trine, but, they will definitely have a Leo-Aries interaction...the trined signs of their Suns matter even if their Suns don't have close contact.

When you are looking closely and holistically at each person's natal and at their synastry together, you start to get a good feeling for the big picture, the organic whole of their synastry, and you can intuitively work from there.

The orb problem comes up when people are all, "Is he my Soul Mate, even though he feels like his old colleague he never slept with is his Soul Mate?", and everyone goes through and itemizes the different soulmate "signs" in the synastry, like a checklist, as if it's a test for the relationship to pass. If you are reading a synastry meaningfully, it's not a problem.


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posted August 30, 2009 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
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posted August 30, 2009 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
I agree sign-to-sign readings are valid too when not exactly aspected and the whole feel of the synastry/natal charts help.

I have a lot of Scorpio/Taurus energy in my chart (my personal planets, my IC/MC axis and Saturn and Pluto, and Mercury is at 28 Aries so almost Taurean lol.. oh and Moon at 18 Libra, also close(ish) to Scorpio) so when someone has Mars/Venus/Moon/angle in one of these signs, even if not in close aspect, there is still a very strong connection. Quite often I will attract Mars/Venus/Moon/angle in other fixed signs too. My ASC/DSC is Aquarius/Leo.

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