posted May 26, 2009 07:43 AM         

I think Zala has handled this placement better than anyone else in this forum.

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posted May 26, 2009 09:00 AM         

mine is the apex of a t-square with it being in the 6th squaring retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th with 1'58 orb and squaring Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd with 1'22 orb with Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint with 17 minutes of arc.

That reflects the challenges of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD.....especially in regards to language/coordination issues , right/left hemisphere confusion,sensory integration issues
It also reflects my history of depression,fears,anxiety,and emotional suffering...especially through females is very common with Moon=Saturn/Neptune

my mother has those issues too....especially chronic health problems, and I have responsibilities of helping taking care of her, being her only child. Sun in Scorpio in 2nd trine Moon in 6th.

in her chart, 5th house ruler Venus conjuncts Uranus in Cancer in 2nd, trine Moon in Scorpio in 2nd, square the opposition of Neptune in Libra in 5th and Sedna in 11th.

those experiences in my life and with my mother influence to want to get into a career in the healing arts.

My Moon also squares the kuiper object/transneptunian Varuna with only 10 minutes of arc

it is also semisquare Eris in Right Ascension, and so Eris is at the midpoint of Moon/Saturn.

posted May 26, 2009 11:38 AM         

I agree

like I said before, it depends on the aspects that the moon are in

heck.....the overall chart has to be taken into consideration

free will is the ultimate factor imho

I know that my own challenges,difficulties that I have experienced are not reflected by the Moon in Pisces alone but by the lunar apex t-square with the squares to the Saturn-Neptune opposition.

I am not sure how many of my fellow Lindaland lunar pisceans have lunar apex t-squares.....especially with Saturn-Neptune opposition.

posted May 26, 2009 02:26 PM         

I believe that t-square involving Chiron is valid, but it would also make sense of a t-square involving the many other centaurs to be a valid too. I am sure that others centaurs like Nessus,Pholus,Asbolus,Chariklo,Hylonome,Okyrhoe could be significant too.

I do believe that Pluto in a t-square is significant too. However,it's one of thousands of kuiper belt objects. There are a few large ones too including Eris,Makemake,and Haumea which are classed as dwarf planets and plutoids along with Pluto.

also there is the dwarf planet, Ceres that could be valid for t-squares. but there are also the other major asteroids like Pallas,Vesta,and Juno....as well as Psyche,Hygeia that are are of good size.

if I add minor planets such as Chiron in t-square

then

Moon in 3'11 Pisces

squares the opposition of

Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd

Saturn in 5'08 Gemini Retrograde in 9th
Varuna (large kuiper belt object,Cubewano) in 3'01 Gemini Retrograde in 9th
Pallas in 2'35 Gemini Retrograde in 9th

I do have a positive outlet with my Moon
trine:
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Ixion (large kuiper belt object,Plutino) in 5'25 Scorpio
Quaoar (large kuiper belt object) in 2'22 Scorpio

sextile:
Sedna in 2'06 Taurus R

I just think using minor planets with aspect patterns can get very iffy......even more so if using chart patterns like bowls and buckets. technically none of those patterns exist if you add in the minor planets. the use of the oriental planet concept would also be non-existent.

somewhere a line has to be drawn when it comes to those things

many astrologers reserve t-squares for major planets only, but they include Pluto....that's a can of worms for Pluto's fellow dwarf planets,kuiper belt objects,

that's just my opinion

I think that a lot of Astrology is outdated with the recent discoveries of the centaurs and kuiper belt objects.

posted May 26, 2009 03:23 PM         

Good question. I've been struggling with mine for years, having suffered from periodic bouts of depression since the age of 14. I'm a very creative person, so i try to channel my emotions and stress into the arts, although I must admit, I am prone to escapist tendencies as well. Not alcohol and drugs or anything, but I literally need to "escape" somewhere far off, preferably around an ocean or sea (salt water is extremely therapeutic to me also)for a good few weeks. The difficulty I find, is that in today's society what with work and all, you're lucky if you can take off work two weeks out of a year... so my need to take off more frequently than that often being unmet, makes my emotional state worse.

When all else fails, I find the most helpful cure in stabilizing my mood and emotions, is to take a St. John's Wort supplement. It works like magic for me.

Also, in order to keep my Pisces moon from completely taking me over, I try not to focus on it too much. The mind is a very powerful thing, and I find that when I think of myself as a Pisces Moon, I tend to take on the negative characteristics prevalent to this sign, more heavily than usual. Instead, I try to focus on what other aspects I have in my natal chart. I am a Taurus sun, Libra Rising, and I have an Aries Venus singleton. All three are a bit more lively than the pisces moon, so I try to see myself usually as either my ascendant or my venus. When I'm dealing with people on a regular day-to-day basis, I try to embody my ascendant, and when it comes to my relationship, I find that it's helpful to try to embody my fun-loving aries venus, rather than my over-emotional, sometimes whiny pisces moon.

posted May 26, 2009 03:56 PM         

if your Moon in the late degrees of Pisces, then your Moon is in the constellation of Aquarius.

I am not talking about Sidereal Zodiac. I am talking about the actual constellations.

My Moon is in 3'11 Pisces, and so my Moon is clearly in the constellation of Aquarius. It is also in alignment with Alpha Aquarius,Sadalmelik as well as in a culminating paran with it. Sadalmelik is located at the right shoulder of Aquarius. My Moon occults Theta Aquarius, Ancha which is located at the hip of Aquarius.

here is interpretation for Aquarius

Around 4,000 bce Aquarius was one of the four major points of the zodiac, holding the position of the winter solstice. Since that time, if not earlier, this sign has been identified as a giant urn pouring water into the sky. Aquarius was seen to govern the huge cosmic sea which now contains the constellations of Pisces the Fishes, Cetus the Whale, Capricornus the Sea Goat, Delphinus the Dolphin, Eridanus the River, Pisces australis the Southern Fish and Hydra the Water Serpent.

The Babylonians called the stars of Aquarius the Seat of the Flowing Water and saw this as the rain which caused the great deluge of their creation myth. Following this theme and linked with the fact that it was the winter solstice constellation, they also called it the God of Storms.

In Egypt, where rainfall was negligible, the Nile was the source of all water and therefore all life. The Nile is the most predictable and reliable river in the world and every July through to October it annually floods, pouring life-giving water and silt over the Nile Valley floor. Thus the River was seen as a god or goddess and a most sacred life-giving entity. At the time of the flooding, Aquarius was the heliacal setting constellation, meaning that as the Sun rose, Aquarius set on the western horizon. From this visual fact it was believed that the Egyptians saw the Water Carrier dipping his urn into the Nile, his pot displacing the water which caused the flooding; or, more simply that he leant down and poured his water into the Nile.

The usual image of Aquarius is this Egyptian concept of the river-god pouring the contents of his urn into the Nile whilst holding a Norma Nilotica, a rod for measuring the rising waters of the Nile. By the middle ages he was thought of as John the Baptist, matching an ancient Babylonian image of a man pouring water and holding a towel.

here is an interpretation for the constellation of Pisces

Pisces began to receive the lead position in the Zodiac around 2,000 years ago when the spring equinox heliacal rising slipped from Aries the Ram to Pisces the Fishes. However this was never a clear distinction, as Pisces is such a large constellation and its two fish reaching through the sky actually encompass the stars of Aries.

The coming of the age of Pisces, the new world order, was eagerly awaited as it was heralded by a triple conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in Pisces in the year 6 bce and Virgil, in his Fourth Ecologue, announced it would be the return of the Golden Age. This conjunction was the astronomical highlight of the time, eagerly awaited and then watched and was later named, in Christian mythology, the Star of Bethlehem.

But the fish was an ancient symbol long before it was adopted by the new god. The Greeks incorporated the Fish as a sacred symbol through Aphrodite in her form as a fish-goddess called Aphrodite Salacia. She was depicted as a fertile mother nursing a child and her temples always contained ponds of fish. Her followers would eat fish on her holy day which was Friday. They were known as the fish-eaters and this custom was adopted by the Catholic church who decreed that the eating of fish on a Friday, translated as the abstinence from meat, was a holy act that had to be performed by its followers.

As the spring equinox moved into Pisces, the Ram-god sent his Son, Christ, to save the world, and he became the god of fishes. He was a fisherman fishing for men's souls. His disciples were fishermen and his miracle, which proclaimed him god, was the miracle of the loaves and fishes where he was said to have fed five thousand on just a few fish. The new religion adopted the sign of the Fish as their symbol. The cross belonged to the pagans and was not incorporated into Christian symbolism until after the 6th century ce.

I actually think that it's possible that my Moon square Neptune of 1'22 orb and my Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint of 17 minutes of arc (my t-square of Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition) are probably what makes me relate to Moon in Pisces even though it's in the constellation of Aquarius.

posted May 26, 2009 08:13 PM         

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I'm so sensitive and perceptive that I feel everything from everyone.. The pisces moon is both a gift and curse..sometimes I feel like it leans more towards the curse side of things. I can feel peoples sadness and or stress and negativity and it becomes mine..or I sympathize too much...and feel bad for people and overlook myself a lot of the time.
I worry about everyone and everything... so that is the most stressful thing to overcome..I've been trying though to stop making mountains out of molehiles...and try to convince myself that whatever the problem is at the moment it will pass and everything will turn out ok..because it usually does. I really have to consciously make the effort to think that way or I would be in a constant state of fear and worry all the time. Not good..

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Erect a conscious barrier between yourself and the (unwanted) feelings from others. When you want to connect, let down the barrier. Boundaries are a key issue with Fish of all placements – it takes time, trial and error, to find out what healthy boundaries mean to you.

posted May 27, 2009 04:24 AM         

Who can help the unenlightened Pisces Mooner? They suffer with sufferers and emotional vampires for years and years.

posted May 27, 2009 01:23 PM         

In fact this thread made me take a hard look at many of my closest friends, a large percentage of whom have Pisces moon with:

Sun Virgo / Asc Scorpio
Sun Pisces / Asc Virgo
Sun Leo / Asc Libra
Sun Taurus / Asc Cancer
Sun Leo / Asc Scorpio
Sun Cancer / Asc Libra

I wonder if Pisces moon does not do well if isolated and allowed to feel that they are the only ones that are hypersensitive to the emotional energy in social circles? We need time alone but not to actually feel alone?

>Sam

posted May 27, 2009 03:24 PM         

I have both Moon in Pisces and Moon square Neptune with 1'22 orb...so I have Moon-Neptune double whammy. I strongly believe that reflects my highly ultrasensitive,emotional mother. She has Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio. She also has Sun in 12th trine Neptune in 5th (children), and so she has a Sun-Neptune double whammy which reflects her ultrasensitive father who had Moon in Pisces and stationary Saturn in Pisces. It also fits with my father who had Moon in Pisces and stationary Neptune. She also has Neptune sesquqiquadrate Pisces Midheaven.

I would say that Moon-Neptune easy aspects may not be so intense, and that the psychic,emotional sponge ability can be turned on and off. Those include the trine,sextile.....maybe even semisextile too.

with easy Neptune aspects, the houseboat is sailing on smooth,tranquil waters. The hard Neptune aspects, the house boat is sailing on rough waters that can take them wherever and can be subjected to tidal waves that can turn the houseboat over.

btw..my 2nd grade special education teacher lived on a boat. Makes me wonder if she had a strong Pisces/Neptune influence in her. She was very sensitive, empathetic person. Those types are good for working with special education needs children.

This is from Flower Essence Gemstone Report Program, a Kepler report extension:

I might as well as paste it here for the benefit of my fellow Pisces Moons and Moon-Neptunians

Moon in Pisces:

Key issues: Needs a feeling of unity with others and the world. Emotionally experiencing the spiritual or transpersonal realms.

Key qualities: gentle, imaginative, compassionate; easily moved, swayed, or influenced by others' need.

You are highly empathetic and sensitive to the atmosphere around you. You merge with others' psychic and emotional energies quite easily and are able to sense and feel their inner state, regardless of what they show or try to present. This may cause you some confusion until you learn to trust your instincts and sensitivities, to discern what is coming from you and what, indeed, is being generated by someone else. You also need to beware of taking on other people's troubles. For instance, if you are with a friend who has a headache, often you will find you get one too. Also, because you feel others' pain you want to remedy it, and you may try to do for them what only they can do for themselves. Rescuing (or wanting to be rescued) is part of your emotional make up and you need to discover when that is wise and when it is not.

You are extremely suggestible and malleable. More forceful individuals or energies can overwhelm you, and you may have learned to cope with this by spending a lot of time alone, away from external input. Dreamy and imaginative, you need periodic escapes, time for reverie, music, listening to your inner voice.

You are predisposed to being passive and receptive, to go with the flow, to avoid direct confrontation and conflict, to let life take its course rather than energetically taking life by the horns or forcing things.

Patterns of Imbalance:

Flower essences that may be helpful to you include:

For clear psychic boundaries and psychic protection; extreme vulnerability to others and the environment: the flower essences YARROW and MOUNTAIN PENNYROYAL. The gem essences of HEMATITE and COVELLITE help to give strength, clarity and definition to the aura and build stronger, clearer energetic boundaries, also.

For an overly active or overly expanded psychic state, leading to hyper emotionality, or a sense of psychic vulnerability: the flower essences MUGWORT and SAINT JOHN'S WORT.

For shyness related to over-sensitivity: the flower essences VIOLET and MIMULUS.

For unbalanced sympathy, a tendency to get emotionally and physically enmeshed, inappropriate merging with others: the flower essences PINK YARROW and BLEEDING HEART.

For avoidance of present life and practical concerns, being too much in another world: the flower essence CLEMATIS.

For a tendency to evade responsibility, indulge in self-pity, or feel like a helpless "victim" the flower essences: DESERT MARIGOLD, FAIRY LANTERN, and SELF-HEAL.

Your responsiveness to external stimuli can be used to your benefit when you are feeling out of balance. Music has a profound influence on you, and generally you do know what effects particular pieces have on you. Some compositions that may increase your sense of well being include those of the sounds an unborn child hears in the mother's womb, ocean sounds, or the sounds of birds in the wild.

Aromatherapy oils which can be used as perfume, in bathes, or in a diffuser or mister include: For upliftment, increased energy and enthusiasm: PATCHOULI, JASMINE, ROSEMARY, JUNIPER. For hypersensitivity: CHAMOMILE, JASMINE, and MELISSA.

Moon-Neptune (hard aspect)
You are like a psychic or emotional tuning fork, picking up and resonating to the feeling state and energies of those around you. The development of objectivity, detachment, discernment, clarity, and psychic, emotional, and energetic boundaries is thus essential to your emotional well being. Otherwise you are apt to be dominated by outside forces and probably be very confused! Participating in what are popularity termed "co-dependent relationships" can also arise.

You are easily moved by others' distress and your own emotional idealism, innocence, naiveté, or gullibility. Passivity, evasiveness, escaping into fantasy or addictive, mood altering substances, and self-deception are potential pitfalls on your path. In truth, you do need your hope, your belief, your faith, and some sort of spiritual nourishment on a regular basis, but need to balance it with realism. Because of your sensitive nature, flower essences and other vibrational remedies are very effective for you. Some that may help you with the above issues include:

For being too easily taken advantage of: the flower essences CENTAURY and BLEEDING HEART.

For maintaining strong psychic boundaries and protection from bombardment by others' feelings and needs: the flower essences YARROW, WILD GRAPE, RED CHESTNUT, and RHUBARB, and the gem essence of HEMATITE.

For greater willingness to face your true feelings: BLACK-EYED SUSAN and AGRIMONY.

For addictive tendencies: MILKY NIPPLE CACTUS, MILKWEED, and CALIFORNIA POPPY.

For developing your psychic talents in a balanced way and integrating your spiritual or psychic perceptions into everyday life: the flower essences MUGWORT, GREEN ROSE, and LOTUS.

Raymond

posted May 27, 2009 03:26 PM         

I believe that Neptune Aspects to the Sun,Mercury could also be similar to those Pisces placements......especially the conjunction,opposition,square as well as the quincunx,semisquare,sesquiquadrate.

posted May 27, 2009 03:36 PM         

as for the picking up strays part i myself indulged in that at times, though not emotionally, i literally gave shelter to homeless people - the pisces moon probably made it possible for me to connect with them the way i did, and to offer help; but i never once had a problem with anyone overstaying their welcome or abusing me in any way. i also found that giving money to CERTAIN beggars tended to return to me in multiples of my donation. but the impulse had to be from the heart, not the calculating head...

and again, i have jupiter in 12th which seems to help me get the best of my pixie moon, and i do see it as that for the most part.

i think escapism does come into the pisces moon makeup, but if used deliberately as many of us here seem to, it can be conscious recharge rather than running away from problems or stress.

posted May 27, 2009 03:41 PM         

yeah....the whole Neptune,Pisces,12th

it seems to be especially strong with Neptune in 12th