posted June 15, 2009 04:40 PM         

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Well if T squares are so problematic, other aspects wouldn't matter as much would they? It seems that if we are going to single it out, why bring other factors into play?

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1st thought was: wtf?!
Attempting to understand what you have written, I can only say I dont really understand.
T-squares are problematic? Yes.
Other aspects wouldnt matter as much?
T-squares can be problematic, which means they have an effect, just like any other aspect. If that is what you mean.

Why bring other factors into play?
Its called astrology

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It was an astrologer who stated she had seen t squares in most of her clients' synastry.

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The point is that, it's alot of energy, and when it involves venus and mars, what do we end up with?

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posted June 15, 2009 04:52 PM         

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You tell a client "you have 6 t-squares with your partner, this is great, lots of deep love" you should be tickled with a wet kipper and made to sit in the naughty corner.

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posted June 15, 2009 05:05 PM         

As T-squares are common, this problem will crop up. No, it will not mean the relationship is doomed. The t-square can indicate areas which are bad in the relationship, areas that need lots of work. For certain areas, yes, it does mean the relationship is doomed, as you say.

The comment about deep love and t-squares was a big no-no for me.

posted June 15, 2009 05:06 PM         

Why have you deleted me off FB please? hmmm

posted June 15, 2009 05:18 PM         

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Astrology isn't all black and white, or good and bad.

A t square between moon, venus, and neptune, is not the same as one between mars, saturn and pluto.

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It isnt, no. Sometimes easier to understand in black and white, yes or no, good or bad. You tell a client about all the astro stuff when all they want to hear is if the other person wants to bone them, they wont be happy.

Yes, the rare few.

posted June 15, 2009 05:36 PM         

We can try to understand how the t-squares (whether of a synastry or natal chart) are actually manifested in the real life. Coz it can actually manifest in many different ways - so don't just read things in a cook book way, we have to feel the patterns intuitively too.

posted June 15, 2009 05:51 PM         

My jupiter forms a square with my bf's sun-moon opposition (my jupiter is in his 7th house). He has a natal t-square involving mars and his sun-moon opposition (his mars is in his 1st house).

posted June 15, 2009 06:24 PM         

That's a grand cross. Your Jupiter is in his 7th house and square his Sun-Moon...His Mars is in 1st house and square his Sun-Moon opposition. So logic would tell me that your Jupiter in the opposite house of of his Mars with both his Mars and your Jupiter squaring his Sun-Moon opposition, then that means that your Jupiter is in opposition to his Mars.

Your Jupiter completes a grand cross with his t-square. Grand Cross is the most challenging,stressful aspect of all aspect patterns because it involves 2 squares and oppositions.

some astrologers say that forming a 4th leg to a t-square can be helpful because then there is added stability. I don't agree, there is still a lot of friction,conflict that is involved in a t-square.

with his his Mars square Sun-Moon opposition, assertion,passion are in conflict with ego,self expression and emotional nature,nurturing which are at odds with each other. Your Jupiter forming a grand cross with it exacerbates those issues with its expansion,optimism....the thing is that hard Jupiter aspects can indicate too much expansion that can lead to excess and indulgence as well as their is the possibility of taking risks because of the feeling that one is very lucky that nothing can go wrong. That happens a lot with hard Jupiter aspects. The relationship can feel so great because of the optimism of Jupiter, and so can actually misjudge the challenges in the relationship.

all t-squares are challenging. They involve challenging 2 planets in an opposition (a challenging aspect) squared (a challenging aspect) by a 3rd planet. It's just logic

you can say that they test the relationship with great challenges. You could even say that indicates great karma to work out with each other in the relationship.

it could be too that a person with certain issues attracts people that helps them resolve the issues or they aggravate them

challenges differ according to the planets that are involved in the t-square.
It also depends on the orbs of the aspects.
Narrower orbed t-squares are more challenging than wider orbed t-squares.

Many astrologers tend to use wide orbs, especially when they stretch out aspect patterns. Therefore, many people might not technically have aspect patterns but are viewed as aspect patterns because the orbs are stretched to make an aspect pattern.

posted June 15, 2009 06:53 PM         

shrugs

I can't see how a relationship is wonderful if the relationship died.

that seems very contradicting.

I'd think that if a relationship is truly wonderful, then it would be lasting.

but then again

people's perception of wonderful differs. There can be bad things in a relationship,and that can be viewed as wonderful. There can be good things in a relationship,and that can be viewed as terrible.

some people think a lot of drama,high stimulation is wonderful,and some people think a lot of peace,calm is terrible. It really depends on the people and what they want in a relationship.

posted June 15, 2009 07:14 PM         

My Sun Cancer 9
My Moon Capricorn 9
My ASC Libra 13
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His Sun Libra 10

That's a t-square...

His Sun-Ascendant squares your Sun-Moon opposition (born on Full Moon).

That means that the merging of his ego and persona are in friction with your ego and emotional nature that are at odds with each other.

Your Venus conjunct his Chiron,indicates that your love,what you value merges with his woundedness,healing matters, and opposes his Uranus which indicates that change,independence are at odds with it, and his Venus-Mars-South Node squares that opposition, and so the merging of his love nature,assertiveness,the past are in conflict with those things.

It can indicate a lot of instability,unpredictability in the relationship.....especially with it being a mutable t-square which means a high degree of changeability,adaptiveness,restlessness.
Definitely a lot of independence,detachment is needed for the relationship to work. There could be a lot of changes in the relationship. The relationship can end suddenly just like it have begun suddenly. It can be an on again,off again relationship. With the t-square being such a close orb, there is a high possibility that an unexpected separation could happen. There is the possibility of much explosiveness even though there can be much passion. I think that it could be good for sex,fireworks,and having lots of fun, but I don't see it being good for lasting,long term committed relationship.

that's 2 t-squares. Both are quite challenging

Aspects between luminaries are very important in any chart whether natal,composite,synastry.....when you have that involved in a challenging aspects, there tends to indicate significant challenges in relationship. When you have them involve a t-square of grand cross, then the challenges are even greater.

of course, the tighter the orbs, the more challenging the t-squares are. Both t-squares have narrow orbs.

It will be interesting to see what other configurations that you have that will have
even if there are are a few grand trines, there will still be great challenges, but mixed with great ease...depending on the areas.

heck...many couples are in very dysfunctional relationships that last many years or even a lifetime. many of them have been together and then got back together because they felt they could not be apart from each other like some strong karmic bond is keeping them from separating, and it could be stuff like "well...he's the father of my children), and or the sex can be so damned great,and they feel that they can find it with anybody else. Many even mistake passion,lust for love. It's more about "love" in the "I want you to be mine" than the love of "I care a great deal for your happiness and well-being"