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songwriter
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posted June 25, 2009 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
"but now you claim they are not yours, so I guess I shouldnt give you any credit"

Where did I claim that they are mine?
I dont do this to get a credit from people.

You're Welcome, Seeing Stars 7.21!

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posted June 25, 2009 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
Shankara

Sun 5-6 deg Libra
"A Man Watches His Ideals Taking A Concrete Form Before His Inner Vision"

Inevitable confrontation with the concrete results of one's ideals. Lessons to be learned from it. Willingness of heart.

Moon 22-23 deg Gemini
"Three Fledglings In A Nest High In A Tree"

Conscious self-establishment in the soul and its threefold nature. Innate self-confidence. Superiority of real being.

Asc 0-1 deg Aquarius
"An Old Adobe Mission In California"

Mastery of man over enviroment while becoming and integral part of it. Recognition of established values. Impressiveness.

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posted June 25, 2009 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, songwriter.

I'm enjoying these interpretations. I've read Dane Rudhyar's, but these are helping me look at them in fresh ways.

My Sun, Moon, and t.ASC (5 Sco) all seem to have a theme of pushing forward, of striving toward something more.

Please sir, may I have some more?

Venus 13-14 Cap
Mars 7-8 Virgo
Saturn 26-27 Virgo
SN 2-3 Pisces

I apologize, I know I'm a glutton!

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SashaCitron
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posted June 25, 2009 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SashaCitron     Edit/Delete Message
Sun 11'55 Virgo
Moon 6'40 Libra
ASC 4'00 Sag

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posted June 25, 2009 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
"I apologize, I know I'm a glutton!"
No, you're not!

Eve, I want to buy a book on Sabian Symbols, but cant decide which one to buy. Did you like the interpretations in Dane Rudhyar's book? It would be great if you could provide me an example >> Sun 13-14 deg Aries. Thank you very much!

eve

Venus 13-14 deg Capricorn
"An Ancient Bas-Relief Carved In Granite Remains A Witness To A Long-Forgotten Culture"

Man's power to leave permanent records of his achievements. Personal immortality. Fecundation of future by past. Assurance.

Mars 7-8 deg Virgo
"A Five-Year-Old Child Takes A First Dancing Lesson"
Have you ever taken dance lessons?

Early social conditioning of the superior elements of being. Proper start in self-discipline. Conventional development.

Saturn 26-27 deg Virgo
"A Group Of Aristocratic Ladies Meet Ceremonially At A Court's Function"

Preservation of social and cultural values. Inward, unobtrusive superiority, or else pure smugness. Prestige of position.

SN 2-3 deg Pisces
"Petrified Tree Trunks Lie Broken On Desert Sand"

Mastery of form over substance. Archetypal immortality. Conscious handling of existence. Participation in race impulses.

Lonake, you can ask your other placements too!

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posted June 25, 2009 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
thank you so much songwriter!! these are good; short but sweet. what book are they from?

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posted June 25, 2009 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
SashaCitron

Sun 11-12 deg Virgo
"After The Wedding, The Groom Snatches The Veil Away From His Bride"

Disclosure of the hidden fruitions of nature to him who dares and who loves. Full appreciation of life. Penetration.

Moon 6-7 deg Libra
"A Woman Feeding Chickens And Protecting Them From The Hawks"

Control of natural forces by the higher intelligence. Taming the strong, uplifting the weak. Transmutation through service.

4-5 deg Sagittarius
"An Old Owl Sits Alone On The Branch Of A Large Tree"

Poised observation upon the drama of life. Mellow judgement. Ingrained confidence in the situation and worth of the self.

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posted June 25, 2009 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
woah city, these are from an astrology software, not from a book.

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posted June 25, 2009 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eve     Edit/Delete Message
songwriter - You are too kind.

And you gotta be kidding me about your Sun placement! That is the degree that keeps popping up in my life. So freaky. It also happens to be the degree of my Venus in my SN Persona chart.

I'm ashamed to admit that besides being a glutton, I am also a thieving cheapskate. I don't own Rudhyar's book. I've read his Sabians at this site.

His interpretations are lengthy. His interp for this degree is especially long.

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PHASE 14 (ARIES 14°): A SERPENT COILING NEAR A MAN AND A WOMAN.

KEYNOTE: Identification in bipolar relationship with the impersonal rhythm of natural energy.

The symbol for Phase 4 pictures a man and a woman in love walking together. At this new and more mentally stimulated level of experience and consciousness, a third factor appears: the serpent, whose coiling represents the spiral-like process of evolution - not merely "sex" according to the maker of cathartic symbols, Sigmund Freud. We can understand this "triangular" image — man, woman and the serpent — if we relate it to the preceding one in the series, the unexploded bomb of the anarchist or activist. The urge to blow up some structure which somehow has become in the activist's mind a symbol of the Establishment — the ruling elite — is usually the protest of an alienated and often immature mind that refuses relationship, because in the relationship he would occupy a subservient position. In this symbol, the serpent represents the acceptance of relationship by the two polarized human beings.

There must be a polarization before there can be fulfillment. The tragedy of so many contemporary lives is that, having become sharply individualized, the men and women cannot find their truly matching polar-opposite. Because they are not fulfilled at the root level of human emotions and vitalistic forces, they pass their lives seeking the ideal complement, often glamorized as the "soul mate." This search can find its expression at several levels. At the mystical level we have the examples of the "spiritual marriage" of Saint Francis of Assisi and Santa Clara, or recently of Sri Aurobindo and Mother Mira.

The Adam and Eve story (in Hebrew, Ish and Isha - much more significant names!) refers to this principle of polarization, although the story has been turned upside down by priestly intellects to serve their purposes. Adam and Eve accepted the Presence, not of the Tempter, but of the Individualizer, who sought to have them born out of the womb of unconscious passivity to Nature's God. But the result of the experience frightened them. They "hid"; they failed in the great test of individualization, and in this sense the archetype of that failure is deeply imbedded in man's generic unconscious. It is repeated time after time.

Modern "individuals" are confronted with another test, but they do not understand its meaning. It is the test of polarized conscious participation in the evolutionary process - a polarization that could dissolve alienation, isolation and egocentricity. In a sense at least, this was the old Tantric concept in India; but today many young people accept the concept only superficially and miss its real essence. They cannot understand the meaning of entering into the serpent, i.e. of developing eonic consciousness and that transpersonal living which once was characterized by the words: Not I live, but Christ lives me - Christ, whose symbolic number in Gnosticism is 888.

At this fourth stage of the third five-fold sequence, we are confronted with an image suggesting the transpersonal way to the "cosmification" of desire and the conscious acceptance of polarization as the solution of the problems generated by individualization. But this need not mean what is currently meant by "sex" and the glorification of the orgasm. It implies rather the RITUALIZATION OF RELATIONSHIP



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posted June 25, 2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
Wow! I'm buying that book!
Full of information.

Seems like a cool book.

Thanks again.

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posted June 26, 2009 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks songwriter. This information is much valued.

Thanks Lucia23. I always enjoy your posts and threads - thought provoking posts from someone who is clearly a deep thinker.

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posted June 26, 2009 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SashaCitron     Edit/Delete Message
Wow! Super acutate. Thank U for doing this. I really enjoyed mine.

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Shankara
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posted June 27, 2009 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much, Songwriter!

"A Man Watches His Ideals Taking A Concrete Form Before His Inner Vision" - This is interesting. I'm writing a (spiritually themed) book right now, do you think this could apply or am I way off here?

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posted June 27, 2009 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
this sounds interesting..

sun 17 leo(exact)
moon 0-1 pisces
asc 4-5 aqua

also interested in

NN 18-19 aries
uranus 3-4 cancer

IF you don't mind...

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oneruledbymars
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posted June 28, 2009 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Sun is 26 Aries
Moon is 18 Sag
Asc is 8 Virgo

Thanks songwriter!

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posted June 28, 2009 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
I also think it may be about that, Shankara.

katatonic

Sun 17-18 deg Leo
"A Chemist Conducts An Experiment For His Students"

Practical application of principles to ordinary life. Active enlightment; or forced awakening to inner potentialities.

Moon 0-1 deg Pisces
"In A Crowded Marketplace Farmers And Middlemen Display A Great Variety Of Products"

The social nature of human responsibilities. A last-moment, joyous rallying to a task. Seed synthesis at the end of cycles.

Asc 4-5 deg Aquarius
"A Council Of Ancestors Is Seen Implementing Thee Efforts Of A Young Leader"

The rich ancestral heritage of every individual, which is the potent foundation of character. Direct, real inspiration.

NN 18-19 deg Aries
"The "Magic Carpet" Of Oriental Imagery"

Capacity to transform everyday life by the power of creative significance; or escape in idle fancy.

Uranus 3-4 deg Cancer
"A Cat Arguing With A Mouse" (Tom & Jerry?)

The urge to self-justification through intellectual sophistry or social-ethical considerations. Sense of self-righteousness.

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posted June 28, 2009 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
oneruledbymars

Sun 25-26 deg Aries
"A Man Possessed Of More Gifts Than He Can Hold"

Supreme endowment, and inexhaustibility of resources in all possible life realms. Sometimes obsession by potentiality.

Moon 17-18 deg Sagittarius
"Children Playing On The Beach, Their Heads Protected By Sunbonnets"

The protective agency which safeguards the free behaviour of individuals. Vivifying conctact with collective life-energies.

Asc 7-8 deg Virgo
"A Five-Year-Old Child Takes A First Dancing Lesson"

Early social conditioning of the superior elements of being. Proper start in self-discipline. Conventional development.

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posted June 28, 2009 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
thanks, songwriter, certainly rings true BUT they seem identical to the rudhyar ones...? for some reason i thought this was a different angle. not complaining though! i love my symbols, even the last...which i have wrestled with aplenty!

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