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Topic: Cap Rising/Saturn in 7th--liking older partners
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 03:35 PM
I keep hearing the people with Capricorn Rising and/or Saturn in the 7th house (I have both of these placements) are attracted to older and/or more mature partners.This is sooooo inaccurate for me. When I was a teenager, I was attracted to boys my age or a year younger. Most of my boyfriends were 2-5 years older than me because boys my age were intimidated, but I was NEVER one of those people attracted to older men. As an adult, the men I am attracted to are 5-10 years younger than I am. Also, I'm not really drawn to especially mature or dignified partners. I am drawn to guys who are good-looking/sexy, funny, witty, open-hearted, dynamic, and brilliant/talented...they also tend to be rash, impetuous, hasty, puppyish, dramatic, and intense. I am more drawn sexually and emotionally to energy/bravery/irreverance/hotness than dignity/responsibility/gravitas/wisdom. Is the idea that Cap Risings/7th House Saturns like older or more mature partners just one of those astrological stereotypes? IP: Logged |
Peri Moderator Posts: 532 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 03:37 PM
I am Cap rising with Saturn in the 7th - I dont like older men.IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 603 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 03:45 PM
my mother has Mars in Capricorn in 7th conjunct Descendant in Capricorn,and it is sextile by their ruler/dispositor Saturn in Scorpio in 5th.She's definitely had older partners. Mainly older black men....so interracial relationships with her being white my biological father was 13 years older than her. my former stepfather was 25 years older than her...6 years older than her father she was also involved with other men that were more than 25 years older than her Raymond IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 506 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 03:51 PM
I have Saturn in 7th. My husband is older than me and has natal Sun/Saturn. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 03:53 PM
Peri, you're Cap Rising/Saturn in 7th too? It's such a delightfully fun, easy placement, isn't it? [/sarcasm]Raymond, to me it makes more sense that a Cap Mars might like older or more "serious" partners. Then again, my Mars sign (Virgo) doesn't really show what I'm attracted to either. The house placements of my two biggest stellia (7th house and 8th house) correspond to my perpetual attraction to Libra/Scorpio combos. Not sure what accounts for the Gemini attraction. To me, also in other natals I've looked at, I think Saturn in the 7th just plays out as the person taking relationships very, very much to heart and potentially being hard on him/herself when it comes to relationships. I'm not sure it shows the types of relationships or attractions that person has. IP: Logged |
Peri Moderator Posts: 532 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 04:02 PM
quote: Peri, you're Cap Rising/Saturn in 7th too? It's such a delightfully fun, easy placement, isn't it?
yes it is! quote: Not sure what accounts for the Gemini attraction.
Do you have Gemini in the 5th? IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 337 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 04:04 PM
I have Saturn conjunct DSC in Sagittarius and I don't like older men. The thought of dating someone more than 5 years older than me creeps me out.Although I know a guy with Venus in Capricorn and he definitely likes older women. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 603 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 04:07 PM
I never thought Capricorn Ascendant had anything to do with older partners. I thought that was the Capricorn Descendant the following is from KEYWORDS FOR ASTROLOGY by Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler
Saturn in the 7th house - The Serious Relationship
OBJECTIVE: Trust in a responsible,mature relationship. INHIBITION: The Orphan. Lacking in contact;reserved and cautious in relationships for fear of closeness or being hurt; afraid of being lonely. Strong mistrust of the other person. As a result, avoids relationships or always comes a moment too late. Only falls in love in hopeless cases, waits a long time in vain for the desired person, and quickly backs down if the tides should actually turn in his or her favor. Can't believe he or she is loved on own account. Searches for guarantees and proof of love. Will unconditionally try to maintain the outer form even if the relationship has long been dead in terms of emotions. Regiments and dominates the partner. COMPULSION: The Fake Don Juan. Breaks out of personal reserve and plays Don Juan. At the same time, is always in control, remains cold on the inside, and only opens up to short encounters in which no true closeness is created. RESOLUTION: The Responsible Person. Sees through own avoidance strategy that led to earlier disappointments. Carefully and slowly grows into a relationship and continually gains deeper confidence in it. Overcomes old fears and develops steadfastness. Is responsible,caring,faithful,reliable,patient. IDEA OF PARTNERSHIP: The solid relationship as you see, there is nothing about older,mature partners I can relate to a lot of the stuff except for the Don Juan stuff. I don't have Saturn in 7th, but I have affinities
retrograde Saturn oppose/contraparallel 7th house ruler Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd oppose 7th house ruler Jupiter in Sagittarius in 3rd contraparallel Venus in Scorpio in 3rd as well as square Moon in Pisces in 6th quincunx Sun in Scorpio in 2nd Helio Saturn Nodes in Cancer/Capricorn trine/sextile Venus
it was interesting how they talked about seeing through avoidance strategies. I have a diagnosis of Avoidant Personality Disorder. I am 100 percent certain that it's strongly reflected by my t-square and declination planetary synchronization involving Saturn.
I am working on those issues. I am really tired of them. I will get them resolved.
Raymond
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blue moon Knowflake Posts: 506 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 04:08 PM
Elswhere someone on LL has criticised the interpretation Saturn often gets. I agree with her and particularly on this placement. quote: You may have withdrawn from intimacy in past lives, and, if so, have chosen to be confronted with it in this one. The test with Saturn in your seventh house is one you avoided before: cooperation with and empathy for your intimate partner. Your marriage is either early or delayed, and frequently you're attracted to an older person. Relationships are so important to you that they can be a stumbling block at times. It may be difficult for you to be close, since you're so demanding of others. It's easier for you to go it alone, but you won't learn as much. You are not satisfied with superficialities.
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Saturn-in-the-seventh-house-7th-house.htm I agree with the bit in bold. I can't be bothered with timewasters, bullsh!tters, idiots. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 05:14 PM
My tolerance for timewasters or bullsh*tters exponentially increases if the guy is really hot, charismatic, brilliant, witty, funny, beautiful, and sexy with a nice body.I know women who would rather be with a man who is very serious, committed, and "together" in his life than a man with the above qualities. In a long term relationship, my priority is the unique connection between me and that person and how we are together. But to me spending time in a shorter-term connection with someone incredibly hot and exciting is not a waste of time. Just--for me all the "seriousness" turns inward into self punishment. I don't place a lot of importance on "seriousness" in my partner. I do like depth (8th house Sun, Merc, Mars, lots of asteroids), but I'm more interested in the depth of that person as a human being than a "serious" quality in his approach to me. I relate a lot to the "inhibition" part of what you posted, Raymond. But the "resolution" part sounds awful to me!!! Like a fast track to feeling bored and trapped. What I really want is the courage to really open my heart and love who I love and be open with them at the right time. I also have Moon/Venus in the 7th, so my situation isn't quite as grim as what's described, BUT...when I'm going through an insecure phase (as now), I crawl into my shell instead of showing my love, and sometimes my fear or rejection hurts my chances at happiness. I have Taurus on my 5th house cusp, Gemini on 6th...most Gem Suns fall in my 6th house, including one I was (am) wildly in love with/felt a mutual "soul mate" connection with. IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 235 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 05:23 PM
what about synastry? what means when the woman s saturn falls in the man s 7th?i ve heard is a long union without happiness does it lead to marriage eventually or to breakups? IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 05:29 PM
Alia, it can go either way, depending on the whole of the synastry and both natals.It can make their partnership feel Heavy, Serious, or even Doomed to the 7th house person...OR it can increase the 7th house person's sense of longevity and committment to the relationship. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 165 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 05:32 PM
alia, the woman [saturn] can feel insecure that the man would ever want a relationship with her, the man [h7 person] would think very thoroughly about entering into a relationship with her and if he does it would be difficult for him to not think of their partnership in terms of "commitment"IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 761 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 07:01 PM
Hmm...the people I know with Saturn in the 7th have either A) Married very early or B) Are still in their late 30s and single and very serious about relationships they enter. That doesn't mean they don't date though. But they're really like unusually serious, very high standards (which I don't think is bad, but sometimes it feels like they need to loosen up) Also, the other 2 people I know with Saturn in the 7th had responsibility handed to them at a very early age... one had a child very early in life, the other was completely taking care of his own family financially at only 19 years old. Relationships that didn't work out were taken really hard, and the Saturn 7th house people I knew kind of beat themselves up. No screwing around with Saturn 7th.... Also I don't necessarily think Saturn 7th is all about older people literally. I think it might mean a very mature partner, a very serious person. Or, alternatively, the 7th house person is the serious one.
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 07:14 PM
quote: Also I don't necessarily think Saturn 7th is all about older people literally. I think it might mean a very mature partner, a very serious person. Or, alternatively, the 7th house person is the serious one.
Yes, it's rarely meant literally. But I find the idea of either being very mature and serious or with a partner who is very mature and serious a huge turn-off...the long or short-term relationships I'm drawn to involve lots of adventure, exploration, flirtation, game-playing...actually I like to keep maturity and seriousness out of my life in general. I care about depth and intensity, for sure, but I think life should be and usually is a thrilling playground. (Maybe the 8th house Leo stuff feels truer to me than that 7th house Saturn...also that draconically I am an 8th house SADGE with Aries rising.)
quote: INHIBITION: The Orphan. Lacking in contact;reserved and cautious in relationships for fear of closeness or being hurt; afraid of being lonely. Strong mistrust of the other person. As a result, avoids relationships or always comes a moment too late. Only falls in love in hopeless cases, waits a long time in vain for the desired person, and quickly backs down if the tides should actually turn in his or her favor. Can't believe he or she is loved on own account. Searches for guarantees and proof of love. Will unconditionally try to maintain the outer form even if the relationship has long been dead in terms of emotions. Regiments and dominates the partner.
The more I think about this, the more it depresses me and makes me feel awful and doomed, since the solution seems so unfun too.
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savanna20 Knowflake Posts: 87 From: ca Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 07:28 PM
I have mars in capricorn and I'm very attracted to older men! lolIP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 761 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 07:30 PM
Lucia, that's so interesting that you say that. Maybe we grow into our 8th house or something once we incorporate or integrate our 7th house qualities (which we sometimes project). I have Scorpio 7th house and I'm not saying it's a turn-off at all...I do love the degree of all-consuming intensity... but without the adventurousness and learning and expansion which I HAVE to express and incorporate (Sagittarius 8th house), then the all-consuming intensity means little to me (I can safely say that after my intensely passionate and consuming marriage ended).Maybe the older we get the more we own our 7th house stuff and begin to express our 8th house self. It sometimes feels that way to me..... IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 08:36 PM
I like that idea a lot, MVM!For me, with Moon-Saturn conjunct, and Venus in Cancer in the 7th, then Sun-Merc conjunct in Leo and Mars in Virgo in the 8th, I am feeling just really bummed out about my 7th house these days. (Especially because the Moon is slowly transiting it today, poking its Cancer fingers into my belly and whispering, "You're sooo lonely.") Whenever I'm doing any 8th house things, I'm so much happier! (Other than taxes, of course.) IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 182 From: formerly Dulce Luna Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 08:52 PM
I'm a Cap Asc and have been with people who are either my age or only a little bit older (usually in the range of 5 years). IP: Logged |
enchantress299 Knowflake Posts: 17 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 08:54 PM
quote: I never thought Capricorn Ascendant had anything to do with older partners. I thought that was the Capricorn Descendant
I agree with you Glaucus. In fact, that's exactly what I thought when I started reading this thread. My Mom has a Cancer rising (so a Cappy DC) and my Dad is 11 years older than her. A friend of mine also has a Cancer rising and her husband is something like 8 years older than her. I have another Cancer rising friend, and her husband is older than her, but only by a couple of years, so she's kind of the exception. IP: Logged |
Cheshire Kat Knowflake Posts: 205 From: Wonderland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 09:17 PM
I am going to be single for a very long time, I've just kinda stopped worrying.Capricorn Rising with Saturn in the 1st house as always read the "loner"..*shrugs*. I look at it this way for myself, I don't know about anyone else.. 7th house(So called partner)-> Cancer-> Ruler: Moon in Pisces 2nd or 3rd house-> Might fall for a water sign, someone spiritual, talkative, faithful, secure, all things relating to Pisces/Cancer/Gemini/Taurus in a good light.. 8th house(Intimacy)-> Leo-> Sun in Virgo in the 8th house-> Someone passionate, discernding, a bit possesive, and deep. 5th House(Love and such)-> Taraus-> Venus in Leo in the 8th house-> I need some sort of sercurity, fiery deep passion, playful, romantic, physical/active..so on so on.. IP: Logged |
moi2009 Knowflake Posts: 1 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 11:37 PM
CHESHIRE CAT____________________________________________ _I am going to be single for a very long time, I've just kinda stopped worrying. Capricorn Rising with Saturn in the 1st house as always read the "loner"..*shrugs*. I look at it this way for myself, I don't know about anyone else.. 7th house(So called partner)-> Cancer-> Ruler: Moon in Pisces 2nd or 3rd house-> Might fall for a water sign, someone spiritual, talkative, faithful, secure, all things relating to Pisces/Cancer/Gemini/Taurus in a good light.. 8th house(Intimacy)-> Leo-> Sun in Virgo in the 8th house-> Someone passionate, discernding, a bit possesive, and deep. 5th House(Love and such)-> Taraus-> Venus in Leo in the 8th house-> I need some sort of sercurity, fiery deep passion, playful, romantic, physical/active..so on so on ____________________________________________ We must have the same birth date because we share the same placements. I'm a capricorn rising and yes I like older men.He has to be at least 10 years older. I just can't relate to guys my age ,they make me feel like im babysitting.
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VenusDeLionesse Knowflake Posts: 76 From: mumbai,india Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 11:47 PM
I have saturn in my seventh - i DEFINITELY prefer men a good 7 years or more older than me. I find them very sexy
And i really do NOT feel any pull for any guy younger than that or around my age no matter how sexy IP: Logged |
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 82 From: Arizona Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2009 11:57 PM
My 7th is ruled by Capricorn, and it's more like older men are attracted to me, and I am talking much older. Just recently I had a man who is about 23 years my senior want to date me. Ok yes there are times when older men can be attractive an sexy...if they resemble Robert Redford or Robert De Niro but anyone over 15 years than I is really too old in my book to be romantically involved with. Mostly they just don't do it for me. I think the youngest romantic partner I have had was still 9 years older than me. I think I am going to stay single for now ughh.IP: Logged |
VenusDeLionesse Knowflake Posts: 76 From: mumbai,india Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 24, 2009 12:08 AM
quote: Ok yes there are times when older men can be attractive an sexy...if they resemble Robert Redford or Robert De Niro but anyone over 15 years than I is really too old in my book to be romantically involved with
Huzzzahhhhh i loooove Robert De niro - he is sooooo sexy, i even love Pierce Brosnoan - he is decades older than me. but i never feel like that for say...Leo Di Caprio any of the younger hollywood throbs IP: Logged |