posted July 03, 2009 07:50 PM            

Very good question. I don't know- sorry, I can't be of help at the moment. I've so far only gathered like about a dozen charts, and that's not enough. I am trying to learn to see any psychopathology in a person's natal chart- and man, this is not easy. Just not easy for me to decode, to decipher a birth chart...I'm completely lost.

I believe it is possible to read all the psychopathology, criminality or the lack of it, unusual talent or unusual complexes, tendencies of seeking spirituality, or seeking materialism...honesty, or two-faced...I wish, no, I hope- by self-studying, I can become more advanced in time, and tell any psychopathology, criminality, honesty or hypocrisy...in a rectified birth chart.

I certainly look forward to a lively discussion on this thread. I hope people more advanced than I will come onto this thread, Comica23- and then I will be more than happy to join the discussion.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

~William Blake

- At best, they take your good intentions for granted;

posted July 03, 2009 10:59 PM            

Mercury-Pluto, for the obsession factor.

Mercury - neptune, Delusions of germs and for rituals that involve protection.

posted July 11, 2009 06:08 PM            

I can only tell my tale from the sunsign point of view because on some of these people that is the only info I know.

My Aries grandma raised me, she checked the stove and the front door like 20-30 times before bed, every single night.

My Virgo brother, he is schizophrenic and has O.C.D. poor thing, I adore him so much. He does the handwashing and skin picking type of stuff. Also, and this is probably more from his other disorder, he spends hours in a steam room because he feels his body is poisoned. His hair is down to his behind, he wont cut it, but he won't let it free either, he wears a doo-rag over it, and a wool cap over that. Year round. It is just awful. He is so hot and sweaty.

My daughter is a Pisces. She MUST have things 'lined up' in a certain way. If you move one thing on her dresser, she knows. All labels must face front, and bottles must be in decending order. She counts steps, ceiling tiles, etc. There are other things I can't recall, her case is somewhat mild.

My father in law is a hoarder. The size house he must be in just to keep every single thing he has ever owned breaks my heart. The time devoted to all that upkeep. He grew up very poor, and I often suspect that may be the root of his hoarding. When he shops he buys 2 or 3 of anything he likes.

And lastly, my scorp friend, he has a weird thing with travel. If he takes one route to a place, he cannot take the same route home. If he walks into a store from the left side of the building, he must go out and walk around the right side, even if it means walking around several other buildings. He has a thing with scheduling. It has to be done in a order that he feels comfortable with. Like if we have plans to go somewhere, he has to make them and they must be executed without vary or he is just miserable.

posted July 11, 2009 06:34 PM            

I agree for reasons that I have talked about before.

I have a strong distrust in psychiatry and its labels too.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted July 11, 2009 07:33 PM            

touchstone, I have all those aspects, except for the saturn trine moon. They are in different houses though, Pluto and Saturn are in my 6th. I was diagnosed with OCD when I was 10. I had to go to a child psychologist because I had a very hard time "swtiching tasks". I would zero in on one thing and work to exhaustion, and if anyone disrupted me I would freak out and cry for hours. I wasn't easily distracted like most toddlers. As I grew older it wasn't so bad but I can still work myself to death if I don't control myself. I had a very supportive family and teachers in grade school (moon in the 9th house, jupiter trine sun and sextile moon).

posted July 11, 2009 07:52 PM            

1. The stellium is in Libra, Saturn is exalted in Libra so Saturn is happy here, to begin with, which lessens some of the friction.
   
2. Secondly, the 12th House Ruler is Mercury(Virgo) in my natal chart - and this tells us that the Ruler of the 12th House is its own House. Mercury is a benefic and if he rules his own House it means that many trials in life, over which the native will triumph.
   
3. Thirdly, the stellium occurs in my 12th. House.
   

So, my OCD is probably dormant, or I fight it very forcefully to never allow it to flourish.

My point is: look to how these Saturn/Mercury/Pluto connections are placed and you will get a better picture as well.

posted July 11, 2009 08:01 PM            

My brothers illness was the reason I studied psych in the first place, as a student. I honestly wanted to fix him and if I couldn't, I thought at least I maybe would help someone else's brother, sister, etc.

After four years of school I literally was more confused than ever, and I honestly think I could of learned what I learned just by purchasing some used text books.

It was very disenheartening for me.

My brother started very early with his various labels. He was taken to the hospital at age 2 because he would stay awake for days and nights on end, with no sleep or naps.
The labels began with Hyperactive. Then became longer as he grew.
Each 'incident' would garner him a new label based on THAT particular incident, never taking to mind the whole picture!

Yes, I would argue with medical doctors in emergency rooms after they fished him out of a river and mine was the only name he could recall.
Sleep depravation, narcissist, borderline personality, schizoid behaviour, severe paranoia, nothing wrong with him, nutritional problem, allergies, bi-polar.

Why can't they simply say "I don't know?"
They sure all seem to agree on one thing though, when I ask, "will he ever be better?" They all say, "No, he will continue to decline, and eventually become a street person when he has exhausted all sources of familial and friendship support."

posted July 11, 2009 08:14 PM            

My mom is just like what you described with her house. You know when you take the cellophane off your pack of cigarettes? She literally flies across the room and throws it away, instantly. She has thrown away so much of my important stuff.
I have to keep things for her because the urge to throw things out is so compelling, she says she probably would have thrown away our family photos by now, if I did not have them, she is a virgo, btw.
My pisces daughters chart is missing, I'm going to have to make a new one, but I do remember her having alot of Virgo in it.

I am not stereotyping on Virgos, please don't anyone think that, this topic is very serious and meaningful to me.

CPN's logic sounds right to me about controlling outwardly what is internally chaotic.

posted August 05, 2010 06:58 PM            

Mercury Trine Saturn. Yes, mentally I am very active esp. that I have a Sun-Mercury, Sun-Mars, Mercury-Mars conjunction. Goodness, I am insomniac and I have so many ideas all the time. I am not crazy but there's never a time in my life that my mind is empty.

posted August 06, 2010 12:00 PM            

I am a clean freak, and a neat freak. I can't stand dirty floors, dirty kitchens, and dirty bathrooms. I can't stand dirty interiors of cars. I am always worried about germs.......wash my hands a lot.....

If something is out of place or out of order it bothers me. I don't like a lot of clutter, I like items to be evenly spaced out, and in their proper place.

I can't stand litter on the street.

I am a stickler for proper personal hygeine - cleanliness, appearance, hair, teeth........in myself and others.

I am a stickler for spelling (except I make exception for myself when chatting online as I type fast and usually in a hurry when online, and always getting interrupted by my immediate surroundings and my computer is so slow and it's too much trouble to go back and fix it)

posted August 06, 2010 03:31 PM            

You can find that in every chart but everyone not use it.

For me aspect from
sun, moon, merk,venus, mars to pluto
sun, moon, merk,venus, mars to uranus
Sun, moon, merk, venus, mars to saturn

and also other aspects from
nessus, BML, karma, nemesis

posted January 13, 2011 06:18 AM            

I have these aspects:
Mars trine Pluto
Neptune Opposite Mars
Neptune Opposite Mercury
Mars trine Saturn
Mercury trine Saturn
Mercury trine Pluto
Saturn and Pluto Conjunction
Mars and Mercury Conjunction

**poor child. i was the laughing stock of my playmates and cousins back then.