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Topic: Post A Composite And Describe The Relationship
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MsCandeh
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posted August 07, 2009 04:11 AM
 
So about 6 weeks before we were due to leave on the trip he was hot/cold/hot/cold .. I don't play these games cos if I like someone then I LIKE THEM and treat them so !lol so if I pulled away cos he was getting cold (I pull away when I am hurt) then he would come back again all warm and happy and yap yap yap ... as soon as I started to warm up again he would go cold ... I didn't really understand at the time because we normally got along so well (i'm SURE his gemini sun didnt have anything to do with this  haha) even during this stressful time (he was overloaded at work and was considering taking stress leave before the holiday) ... so two weeks ago he cancelled our trip .. my airline ticket was non-refundable / non-changeable and he had to pay to take my name off the room  (so he lost around $900 to make sure I didnt go!).. he in fact wrote me an e-mail stating the reasons why he thought it was a bad idea to go away together ("work stresses have gotten to us a lot lately and with have been arguing a lot too") [Note: IMO I dont think we did - all I had been doing was trying to communicate with him our issues (why was he retreating?! What can I do to alleviate your stress? etc.) and how to sort through them because we have a great foundation for a r/ship etc, but he would retreat more - we never raised voices he would just be silent!] After he sent that email he came online sent me an IM saying check your email  (yes, he wrote a smiley face!) and then went offline, unplugged his phone and turned off his mobile phone! Took the next two days off work, then came in and acted like NOTHING had happened between us: he was friendly, joking .. asking me to take breaks with him .. (he had finished the email saying "I do love you and I hope we can still be friends") ..(cont..)IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 07, 2009 04:14 AM
I was civil to him at work as I didnt want to cause a fuss...that w/end went over to his house to arrange the holiday cancellation stuff that weekend and he said "You're the right person at the wrong time " and then "when I get back from holidays we can see what we can work out then - I still want us to be friends ... but I just need to go on a holiday and get rid of all the stresses in my life" (obviously that includes me ) ... then that night .. yep .. we did IT! after a 3 month abstinance on his part and he initiated it .. then the next weekend same thing happened! :O I'm not sure what it means seeing as he has a low sex drive... I told him that I can't go from being very much in love with someone to 'just friends' instantaneously .. I need time to heal ... and he said "we'll see what happens when I get back from holidays"
So that's where we're at. (sorry this is so long)IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 07, 2009 04:15 AM
the most PROFOUND aspect in this composite to me seems to be the Neptune conjunct Moon. TOTAL BLISS ... then suddenly reality sets in (work stress amongst other stresses in his life, and then his grandma died a week ago! ) and we hurtled off cloud 9 and landed with a whopping great THUD. I still feel very connected to him and either I have called him or he has called me .every. day. since he broke it off (he even called me the day after he sent the email and went incommunicado)I have noticed:
Composite Vertex conjunct DC (exact) (apparently a marriage indicator)
Composite Valentine conjunct IC (1)
Composite Neptune conjunct Moon (1) (this apparently also has an affect on the sex life!)
Composite Mercury conjunct Venus (4)
Composite Sun conjunct Union (3)
Composite Uranus conjunct Psyche (exact) Composite Jupiter opposite Saturn (exact)
Composite Mars opposite NN (4)
Composite Mercury opposite Karma (3)
Composite Uranus opposite Union (4)
Composite Chiron opposite Karma (3) We also have an exact composite Mars square Venus. (I have mars/venus opp in my chart and he has mars/venus conj in his both our venus are in taurus natally) Our draco showed NN conjunct NN exact ... and synastry wise My Sun conj. his ASC and my Moon conj. his NN ... his Moon conj. my ASC ... so it definitely feels like a fated connection .. and I wonder if we will be able to let each other go out of our lives and move on ... Interesting about the Vertex conjunct DC tho But he also has neptune afflicted in his chart (Neptune oppposite a Jupiter/Sun conjunction... and also he has Moon square Mercury natally) .. and the fact Neptune conjunct Moon is in our composite.. is making me wonder what I should do in this situation lol .. should I just let sleeping dogs lie? He has a lot of pain and hurt from the past and just retreats ... but he is normally (to everyone else) an outwardly happy-go-lucky kinda person always willing to help someone out who needs it ... Anyway.. thanks for reading my story and sorry for overtaking the thread! But I hope it helps give some insight into composites.
I think the main thing to take away from this is that even though the composite can be a useful tool... it's also in your best interests to take into consideration the natal charts too
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comica23
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posted August 07, 2009 09:12 AM
MsCandeh, first of all.. in the draco chart, NN will always be in 0º Aries! ^_^; Since the draco chart is made by shifting the entire chart with NN in 0º Aries.Now about the composite.. I'm far from pro, but I hope that this helps: First, I wouldn't really count Moon/Neptune square Jupiter/Saturn, coz the degrees are a bit too wide. ^_^; Maybe there's still some effect, but it would be too weak compared to the tighter aspects of the chart (I often use a 50% degree orb so that it's easier to see the main issues of the composite chart). Moon conjunct Neptune and these sextile Pluto, it seems that there's a deep caring and compassionate feelings for each other. Venus conjunct Mercury, I guess that you both enjoy each other's company; Mars square can bring attraction, although it can give tension too. Jupiter oppose Saturn, he might not want to commit. But Uranus is trine/sextile them.. Usually, a planet in trine/sextile with two planets in opposition can help smooth the opposition, so that this aspect configuration turns out positive. Yet it's Uranus, the planet that is exciting and unpredictable. So here I guess that it doesn't really help about his hesitation for commitment, although it might still have helped a bit. The aspects to/between midpoints can give further insights that are not instantly noticeable, and it is important to look at the overall picture of the aspects to determine how each aspect actually is. For example, if a chart is overall positive, then certain harsh aspects can actually have positive meanings in some cases. IP: Logged |
DiandraReborn25
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posted August 07, 2009 10:28 AM
HI 8thim sorrry you know how i am with asteroids here it is:  IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 07, 2009 01:21 PM
Hi comica23
Thanks for pointing out the draco thing. I checked it again and sure enough NN conj. NN in 0 Aries *slaps forehead* doh... I think I will have to leave dracos alone for a while until I get my synastry downpat And with the interpretation - you are spot on! Very compassionate and caring feelings even after we broke up ... eg. my heater wouldn't work (we have chilly winters too) so he insisted on lending me his doona(duvet) to rug up so I was extra toasty at night and tho I keep taking his stuff back to him I end up leaving with more of his stuff lol (keeps insisting I need it!) We still share lunch at work etc...
We do enjoy each others company ... we are always laughing together even after the break up - it's hard not to be light and jovial as that's how we naturally are.
Jupiter opposing Saturn makes a lot of sense. The Venus/Mars midpoint is a wide 5 deg conj. Jupiter though, but opposes Saturn by 4 deg. So I'm not sure if this enhances that negative aspect or helps it. But it also trines Uranus by 2 deg.
And what you said about Uranus was interesting .. the ending was abrupt and unpredictable (so maybe the trine/sext. didn't help smooth the opposition but sort of showed how the opposition would play itself out? *shakes fist at Uranus* lol). When I saw him before he left for the trip he had warm,caring eyes and looked pained when he saw how hurt I was and gave me a hug and a kiss on the head but was also weirdly detached (his Aqua moon square his Tau Merc I guess). The weekend after we broke up when I called him to see if we could discuss the holiday, he was in tears when he answererd the phone - a few days later told me he was crying over me. :/ I've never seen him cry before. IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 07, 2009 01:24 PM
Composite Sun/Moon midpoint - 13* Pisces
sextile Mercury (2)
trine Valentine (2)
trine Karma (1)
square Amor (2)
opposing Juno (5 - too wide?)
quincunx NN (1) (not sure if this is a very good indicator but considering this was regarding the NN and Moon.. and it seems I have a NN obsession lol)Composite Venus/Mars midpoint - 23* Pisces
conjunct Jupiter (5 - too wide?)
trine Uranus (2)
trine Psyche (2)
opposing Saturn (4)
square Moon (2)
square Neptune (1) I know the sexual frustration that can come from a composite Moon/Neptune conjunction (idolising each other so much that even sex can be considered 'dirty' and is somehow below the spiritual connection by one or both partners) is not helped from square Venus/Mars midpoint!
This was our only source of contention... and a point we were unable to discuss even though I tried to... I'm not the best with synastry/composites but I'm learning! This has been really insightful thanks for your thoughts and starting the thread! IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner
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posted August 07, 2009 01:36 PM
 this is composite of me and my hubby. he is my best friend in the whole world, i trust him with my life. when i met him, it was like i had known him all of my life. we react very strongly to any critism from each other and are extremely sensitive to each others moods. we play music together and encourage each other creatively. he can watch me carve and paint and just keep me company for the longest. we are each others biggest fans. we also work very hard and work hard at building our life together. we love each other very much and understand each other like no one else has or ever will. IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 07, 2009 02:26 PM
cpn_edgar_winnerI notice your composite Vertex conjunct DC exact! I think there's something to that connection in the composite... And also.. from what I have learned from comica23 .. the effect of Jupiter opposing Mercury is lessened by the trine/sextile of Saturn. Maybe you are sensitive to each others moods/criticism because your composite Moon (emotions) squares Pluto (intensity, control, fear) ... Pluto is in Virgo in the 6th house - Virgo's natural home - and Virgos are known to be the most critical sign *edit: I mean this in a light-hearted way lol IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted August 07, 2009 03:53 PM
MsCandeh, I guess that other than conjunctions/squares/oppositions and tight orbs (max 2ºdegree), other aspects might not have much effect on the midpoints. But then I'm actually a bit confused, coz in the natal charts, it's easy to point out the reason why - midpoints are where two planets' energies meet and not the planets themselves, so that's why it's only sensitive to "strong" aspects. Yet as everyone knows, composites are already made of midpoints. So I'm a bit confused lol~ XP
But well, since it's better to focus on what's most relevant, it's better to focus on the conjunctions/oppositions/squares (with tight orbs) to the midpoints, since their effects seems to be more noticeable.Usually, Neptune squaring Mars/Venus midpoint is not good, coz it might involve uncertainty/hidden issues. >_< Moon square Mars/Venus is often a sign of attraction thought. So I'm not sure how to blend the meaning.. but well, since you've mentioned frustration in intimacy as well as idealization/unsureness, maybe this could be it. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted August 07, 2009 04:03 PM
cpn_edgar_winner, your composite has Sun conjunct Venus in the 7th house~ X3 This aspect shows that there's true love between you.I'm spotting Chiron/Pluto/Moon t-square, with Neptune trine/sextile Chiron/Pluto and quincunx the Moon. This seems to show that you might be critical/emotional towards each other, yet Neptune there can smooth things, that you can be caring and compassionate for each other at the same time. ^_^ IP: Logged |
woah city
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posted August 07, 2009 04:25 PM
cpn, i also notice you have composite NN in cancer. me and my guy have this too and we are both extreeeeemely sensitive to one anothers' emotions. i can't find anything on this in composite, but my guess is that it is actually very healthy and that you both need to be aware of, encourage, and nurture emotional expression in one another, and that this sensitivity is helping to that end.IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 08, 2009 02:10 AM
thanks for making it clearer comica23 Again you are absolutely correct ..it's funny though because I'm not afraid of intimacy at all normally (natal Venus opp. Mars in Taurus/Scorpio). But was always unsure with him... seemed to be a one way street. I was always receptive to him but it was always on his terms, I wouldn't dare go up to him and hug/kiss him unless I 'felt' he was receptive (this was unspoken between us). But something happened to him in his past, so I try to be understanding ... but he needs to work through his past issues too. Shame cos I could have been there for him as well Definitely attraction on both our parts though. IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 08, 2009 02:34 AM
I have another one!  The Relationship: Instant attraction People interfered with our r/ship from the start which added strain to the relationship (flatmates, family, friends) Deep love and some spiritual connection Big arguments for the first few years Strong bond We are now friends but he is still in love with me and made this very clear while I was in a relationship with someone else.. I dont want to lose his friendship tho Transformative and growth relationship. We have shaped who we are today and grown up A LOT since knowing each other Hurt one another with words (not as much anymore) Arguments that we get over fairly quickly (even now). Interrupting/talking over the top of each other in conversation and hearing what we want to hear not what is being said. Caring/compassionate feelings towards each other IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 08, 2009 03:04 AM
Points to considerVertex conjunct DC (2) (marriage indicator again!) - he wanted to propose marriage(!!) but I had finally gotten over him and started seeing someone else (he didnt know I was interested in someone else and I didnt find out about the marriage thing until after I entered a new r/ship)... he became quite depressed ... always bad timing with us. But he is the closest male person in my life and has been for years. Sun oppose Jupiter (exact)
Sun oppose Pluto (3)
Sun oppose Vertex (2)
Sun conjunct ASC (exact) Moon trine Mars (exact) Mercury square Mars (3)
Mercury oppose Jupiter (3)
Mercury oppose Vertex (exact)
Mercury conjunct ASC (2) Venus square Neptune (exact)
Venus trine NN (1)
Venus sextile MC (exact) (trine IC) Mars square Saturn (3)
Mars square Vertex (3) Jupiter conjunct Pluto (3)
Jupiter conjunct Vertex (3)
Jupiter conjunct DC (exact) Neptune sextile Pluto (1) Pluto square NN (2)
Pluto square IC (exact) NN conjunct IC (1) phew! thats a lot of connections lol (within 3 deg orb only as well) IP: Logged |
lotion
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posted August 08, 2009 04:08 AM
 my turn! we met in class and it was instant attraction and familiarity. He and I have a great intellectual and mental exchange based on our passion and values. sex is AWESOME.
At the beginning of the relationship, I had an intense sense of insecurity though, and that has faded over time but still lingers here and there. I have learned a lot about myself through him. He helped me tap into another side of me that was never able to come out before and this has changed me tremendously academically, and as a person in general.
I also feel like this relationship is very unstable at times. Sometimes i feel very disconnected with him when I don't see him or talk to him for a while, but we are always able to pick up from where we left it, so to speak. There seems to be this glue that always pulls us back together emotionally.
We have intense possessive/jealous episodes. They usually take the form of bantering and teasing, nothing too crazy.
When we are together, we always have tons of fun and really enjoy each other's company. Does anyone have any insights on the chiron and NN conjunction? it feels...painful lol IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner
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posted August 08, 2009 06:35 AM
good observations.we don't argue much but when we do we both literally get sick and depressed in a hard way. like i will leave work early feeling terrible and find him at home becasue he left work sick too. we both take it really hard when we aren't getting along. and it's pretty few and far between thankfully. IP: Logged |
EighthMoon
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posted August 08, 2009 09:33 AM
Comica...what do you think it might mean when the 12th house is ruled by the Sun (aka the purpose of the relationship)? That once the purpose is fulfilled, the relationship will end, or that the relationship is meant to be and won't end? Curious...IP: Logged |
EighthMoon
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posted August 08, 2009 09:48 AM
Diandra,I look at your composite, and I feel like I'm cheating to try to describe your relationship. I've heard you talk about you and Johnny for a long time. I'm new at this, so here are the aspects that I think reflect the relationship. Your chart ruler, Mercury, is in the second conjunct Mars and opposite the moon in 8th. Strong feelings for eachother. Communication is the basis of the relationship along with a drive to be together/make it work. A sextile to Uranus in the 4th showing that there is something unconventional about the living arrangements...we already know you are long distance. The sun (purpose) is in the 1st house sextile Jupiter in the 3rd...the relationship will help you grow and define who you are as individuals as well as a couple. I think (it's hard to see) that the 5th house ruler is Sag which would make that aspect even more significant. Sun square seventh house ruler, Neptune in the 4th shows your difficulty with the long distance coming into play at some point. Maybe the sextile to Saturn/Pluto shows how you will overcome it and make it last. I think your Sun/Venus conjunction could still be felt although at a wide orb, which is a great binding factor. Maybe Comica or someone more objective can see more that I'm missing. Hope you're well! 8th IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted August 08, 2009 10:05 AM
MsCandeh, Sun on the AC oppose Jupiter on the DC seems to point out feelings of commitment. Sun oppose Pluto can mean that there's pain involved in the relationship, but with Neptune trine/sextile them, it seems that it's more about general caring/compassion (but well, this isn't the same as Moon/Neptune conjunction sextile Pluto, as this latter one is more emotional). I'm not sure how to blend all the meanings (since Sun oppose Jupiter too), but Jupiter/Pluto conjunction makes me wonder if that might show what you meant by other people interfering (but I'm really not sure lol XP coz I've just had read this somewhere once)?
But well, with Neptune square Venus.. there might be confusion/deception.. it can point out infidelity/other relationships in some cases. >_<
Mars square Mercury can show heated arguments, but then Mars trine Moon too, so I guess that that's why things are solved quickly? X3
lotion, your composite has Saturn conjunct Sun, and then Sun trine Moon. There seems to be a nice basic affinity between you. And Mercury/Mars conjunction seems to show the passionate mental connection you mentioned. X3 About the awesome sex, I'd think it's shown with Mars/Venus midpoint conjunct Uranus, as well as Venus square Eros. And about the insecurity you felt, I wonder if it has to do with Venus/Neptune conjunction (so that there are some confusions)?
I'm not sure which aspects shows the other things you mentioned (I'm still so unskilled lol ^_^; ), but maybe some aspects to the midpoints (or the aspects between the midpoints) can show further insights.
About the Chiron/NN conjunction, I'm also kinda interested about it, since I also have it in my composite (and it's conjunct the AC). X3 Maybe it's point out to lessons about pain and healing with each other.
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comica23
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posted August 08, 2009 10:20 AM
quote:
Comica...what do you think it might mean when the 12th house is ruled by the Sun (aka the purpose of the relationship)? That once the purpose is fulfilled, the relationship will end, or that the relationship is meant to be and won't end? Curious...
Hmm tricky question~ XD With Sun being the ruler of the 12th house, I guess that this relationship can be kinda complex and maybe even "foggy" (not easy to perceive - not necessarily a negative thing thought), and related to conscious/unconscious issues. But I guess that it would generally depend on how the Sun is aspected to determine how the ending is.EighthMoon, you helped me to notice the dynamics of the house rulers, which gave me further valuable insights. X3 IP: Logged |
Amphitrite
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posted August 08, 2009 11:03 AM
I was wondering if anybody could give me their interpretation of composite pluto conjunct venus conjunct north node trine mars? This relationship does feel intense and pretty karmic. Just wondering what you guys think. Has anyone experienced these aspects in a composite before?IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 08, 2009 12:24 PM
hey comica23.. I found this whilst looking for Composite Jupiter conjunct Pluto meanings and thought you might find it interesting [url]http://books.google.com.au/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PA310&lpg=PA310&dq=jupiter+conjunct+pluto+composite&source=bl&ots=tyI9W74V2o&sig=tVY0-RBgNOTmfoW_-JA9iI87Ru8&hl=en&ei=eZ99S p6XLNLUkAXfweCDAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=jupiter%20conjunct%20pluto%20composite&f=false[/url] It starts off: "Growth and development" ... which is what we both have come to realise why our souls have met ...
Yep feeling of commitment/bond is there but my heart is not in it at the moment (I tried to work things out for a year after we broke up ... and he decided he wanted us to get back together but it was too late...I was interested in someone else!) ... we've known each other for over 5 years ... and I think the guy I'm in love with now was threatened by our friendship too ( I wish I had seen this earlier.. he only told me this in the last couple of weeks.. and I guess I was silly because even though I don't want to be with my ex, my current guy (even tho we are kinda exes now) probably couldn't see that even though nothing ever happened between us, but he did know my ex was still in love with me!) and because me and the X do talk often, I'm sure this didn't help out my and my guy's composite Jupiter Saturn opp!(I do love the X as well but not in the emotional way like I used to.. we are just very close and have been through a lot together.. so much like you described - a general caring/compassion)... but yep once again everything you said was spot on! 
The venus/nep square was interesting.. we spent years dealing with that.. dont really want to go into it here and we were both faithful.. but there were issues along those lines, yes. and it was a very very painful relationship but very growth orientated too (guess this comes from the jupiter/pluto conjunction.. maybe thats where the sun/pluto opp comes into it?.. we had to go thru the sun/pluto pain to achieve the growth from the jupiter/pluto conjunction?) I can keep finding composites for you to interpret if you want ? XP (love that smiley) IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 08, 2009 12:33 PM
An interesting one would be my brother (gem) and his GF (pis on aqu cusp).. they are still together after 6 years (broke up for 18 months during that) and argue constantly but also love each other soooo much ... its definitely a love/hate relationship! (sorta like the movie - The Notebook) but I still think they'll stay together for a very long time! (they got together when they were 17, she was his first GF )So let me know if I can post another composite, and I can go get her birth info! XD Hope this is helping you with learning the interpretations.. this is helping me too Thanks again for starting the thread! and thanks to everyone for sharing.. I have had a look at some charts and thought.. ahh I have no idea how to interpret that! .. so reading other's input is really insightful and helpful IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted August 08, 2009 12:52 PM
Amphitritefrom the link I posted above I have summarised the Venus/Pluto conj:
Intensity and passion - especially when sex involved ! Power struggles can be potentially destructive, and make sure you don't start to manipulate each other. If you don't agree on a point let the other person be and don't force your will upon them... and if you can do this then you will be able to use the intensity and passion in a positive way. from Cafe Astrology:
When a planet conjuncts the North Node in the composite chart, there can be a real sense of purpose and direction in the relationship.
Seems like it would be a very intense, passionate and purposeful relationship! Make sure you are both heading in the same direction, otherwise it could just turn into power struggles and could potentially be desctructive...
Maybe comica or someone else has some insights on this?
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