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Unmoved
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posted July 25, 2009 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Well, for a while I argued against those who accused me of being afraid of commitment. I had always put it down to circumstance, my loner personality, being busy, and many other excuses which now seem a little bogus. Besides, it was always "them" that cheated, breaching the contract, "hurting" me thus necessitating a dumping, right?

**maybe you guys can help with telling me why I always attract cheating douches.**

The break-up had always occurred when I had been wishing to leave for quite some time anyway. The only reason I stay for more than 3 months is due to there being no apparent reason to leave. What's strange is that I usually become cold right before I find out that they have cheated but when it is confirmed, although filled with a huge ego bruising (or mock hurt because I'm usually intrinsically relieved), I always feel some sick satisfaction from receiving something that I could use as a reason to instigate a break-up. Yes, twisted.

I am a lover, i.e. I can love very dearly, but something goes wrong somewhere and I just want to be left alone. Maybe we weren't well matched to begin with; and all of this makes me think that I must be fickle because I can't commit for too long without feeling suffocated. My platonic friends are the only people I can commit to, hence I always prefer a lover/friend vibe, but these guys never want to be friends, or at least the guys I've met. Most of the time, I usually have nothing better to do with my time and then due to their insistent courting and asking me to give "us" a chance, I usually just say, "What the heck..."

Maybe that's the problem.

I don't particularly want to get married, or be in a "traditional" relationship, although I love romance and such. I would actually be happy if I married someone who agreed on living in separate houses if I ever got married that is. It's just that, with all of this, I do feel a desire to share my life with someone but not in the traditional sense. I haven't quite figured out what would make me happy, but thus far, I make myself happy. I tried living with a guy once, and it was the worst thing I've ever experienced. The pressure! Yikes! Never again.

So, Hi... I'm Unmoved and I am a commitment-phobe (or maybe I'm just fickle).

*waves*

Now, here's why I'm like this.

  • 7th house is tenanted by Chiron. Nice! [smell the sarcasm?]
  • Ruler of my 7th is Venus, but...
  • Venus is in Virgo (fall) need I say more?
  • Venus is in 11th (natural house ruler Uranus and this favors lover/friend situations)
  • Venus trine SN and sextile NN (??)
  • Uranus is in 1st (I'm ever-changing)
  • Uranus rules my 5th House.
  • Venus Square Uranus (The Magi even call this the heartbreaker aspect.)
  • Saturn is in 12th (probably means that discipline is not at the fore of my personality)
  • Saturn is in Libra. (My lesson in life is of Venus related things, e.g. LOVE)

    and I just saw that asteroid Union (r) is in Aqua.

    What makes you a commitment-phobe?
    What enables you to commit in romantic relationships?

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  • winter
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    posted July 25, 2009 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for winter     Edit/Delete Message
    Sounds like you and I could have been separated at birth!!

    I’ll answer your first question.

    Venus rules my 7th house (I want a relationship)
    Venus conjuncts Uranus (I don’t want a relationship)
    Venus squares Mars (I want to jump you but the grass is always greener…..)
    And now for the kicker – Neptune in the 7th house. (even if I want you I cant have you).

    My ideal relationship would have to be with someone as screwed up as myself – living in separate houses though.

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    Unmoved
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    posted July 25, 2009 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
    quote:
    My ideal relationship would have to be with someone as screwed up as myself – living in separate houses though.

    Definitely! My partner has to be as screwed up as I am also.

    edit: my Venus almost squared my Mars too but it's too wide an orb.

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    downtomars
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    posted July 25, 2009 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message
    I agree with both of you on the “just as screwed up...” part! That is so very important…

    I’m not exactly commitment phobic but, I have been celibate for a while in the past (5 years) and now (going on 2 years). People think it is because of commitment phobia – when I saw an old friend while I was dating the Scorpio that broke my celibacy stage for 2 years, she said that she was surprised that I was dating someone so seriously. She said it’s because I used to dump guys like “that” (snaps her fingers). Well, that was in my early 20s, I wasn’t concerned about marriage then and if they did or said something stupid, it wasn’t worth it to stick around. It wasn’t commitment phobia it was jerk/dumb/boring-phobia. So, I’m super-picky. But it is odd that I am alone lots considering my packed 7th house, but my rising sign is Aquarius and the Sun, Mercury (7th) are square Uranus, but they are wide squares (10 degrees, 9 degrees) so…

    Anyway, for me it is more about my wanting to be able to completely support myself before I take a plunge (Saturn in the 8th) and I am not really into “dating” anymore as much as I am into “finding a potential marriage partner”. It has to be all the way for it to work for me. So I choose to be alone right now, until I get myself together. I am almost there but my mother says that I keep finding reasons why I am not “together” (I have to go to grad school, get the “right” job, lose those 10 lbs, travel more, etc.)…

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    Unmoved
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    posted July 25, 2009 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
    downtomars - I think your reasons of shying away from commitment at the moment are valid enough, but you can't trust my opinion. I mean.. aren't all justifications reasonable most of the time? Rationalization is my way of getting away with all this foolishness

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    downtomars
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    posted July 25, 2009 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message
    Unmoved - it seems like something always comes up. I do have this perfection thing about myself though - I can't have this or that until I am perfect. Nobody is perfect, I know, but I want to be pretty darn close. So there is my commitment phobic reasoning - the perfection excuse!

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    Unmoved
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    posted July 25, 2009 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message

    edit: the smile means... I totally understand that!

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    DepTaurus
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    posted July 25, 2009 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
    this is the same thing for me too. but i dont really have relationships because i dont care about them. i dont tihnk i have a phobia with commitment its just i dont want to be with anyone or have a mariage or anything like that it does not feel worth it too me.and at the end of your life you end up old alone and dead.

    anyways i have venus square uranus and neptune i think i feel toomuch when i am with somone but im never afraid of it. just sleep with them and move on.

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    Antiquarianbookcollector
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    posted July 25, 2009 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
    I think an important distinction to make in relationships is to define commitment in relation to freedom. Many times the former equals total devotion or something to the like. Perhaps Unmoved, you're looking for a relationship where you can assert your independence more freely. Whether this might take form in an open relationship or an agreement or discussion between you and your partner, I guess whatever works for you. Hopefully that makes sense? Further, I hope I didn't sound stupid...

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    Unmoved
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    posted July 26, 2009 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
    DT - Shag 'em and leave 'em, eh?

    ABC - No, you didn't sound stupid at all. The thing is, I'm probably too jealous to be in an open relationship, so I wouldn't be able to handle my partner canoodling other people. I've thought about whether open relationships are my thing but they aren't. I never show my jealousy but I feel it and I would be in agony seeing the object of my affection showing interest in someone else while I am still interested in him. They are free to do whatever they want though when I've lost interest, but that's not fair.

    Also, I can love from a distance, and I can wait. I wouldn't expect someone to be with me just because I suddenly feel like it again, but ideally, the above is how I'd like things to be. It's totally screwed up though.

    I'm selfish. Or, I'm confused. Or both. I certainly sound like I don't know what I want. Relationships give me anxiety.

    I could handle one of those on and off again relationships. Exclusivity while we're on and whatever on the off periods. Let's be together when we both feel like it, type of thing. Arg! I don't know... it's more complex than that.

    I don't know if I am making sense now.

    edit: none of these ideals are realistic. That's the problem.

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    Antiquarianbookcollector
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    posted July 26, 2009 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
    Unmoved, you just haven't found the right dynamic yet. You will...

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    MyVirgoMask
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    posted July 26, 2009 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
    Unmoved, I don't think there's anything wrong with you, for the record... I also don't feel you're a commitment phobe really.
    It just sounds like you need a really deep level of friendship with someone before you get involved.
    Or while you're involved.
    That way, the transitions are easier to bear, and you both know you're worthy of one another's LOYALTY...
    For now, it seems like maybe you haven't made that connection yet. I know I haven't either(I've lived with 3 people - and was married to one.)
    I think it comes with time, and maybe it happens a little more slowly for us since what we want isn't so conventionally cut and dry.

    I know I need the same thing too, and I am not a commitment phobe ... though my Moon-Uranus opposition would like to say otherwise LOL. I'm not, I just need someone who I can have passion with, as well as freedom.

    Every couple of years I feel like I shed my skin and start looking around my life for things to sacrifice, something for the sacrificial altar which needs new life injected into its veins. It's often stuff of a creative or career nature, but it's also been relationships FAR TOO OFTEN, because they seem to settle into ruts and I can't stand ruts (and by ruts I mean, we're not having any fun anymore and things have gotten far TOO emotional. Now it's time for us to lighten up and start injecting life into the relationship).

    So ideally I think if I can find someone I am deeply attracted to and also genuinely like/respect and have a strong friendship with, it should be better.

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    Unmoved
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    posted July 26, 2009 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
    ABC- I certainly hope so.

    MVM- You've given me some food for thought. I need to read your post for the 4th time because I think you're onto something with the need for friendship thing.

    To be friends with my potential lovers could be even more important to me than I thought. Not being friends could be a deal breaker. Hmmm... Because what always creates distance, which later becomes the death of my interest, is the fact that I feel that these guys don't care about me, because they don't know me. And, I don't volunteer information about myself to people I don't trust. Then, that entire dynamic makes the whole relationship pointless. Then I break up with people .

    Thanks for making me put more significance on the friendship angle. It could just be my entire problem.

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    Cynnared
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    posted July 26, 2009 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
    I know that I am one - in almost every area of my life it seems........I like having my work planned out on what days I work and when but I get the casual kind of jobs......I'm very distant with my friends and usually am a loner. (Chiron in the 11 conj my Aries Sun.)

    I have Sun Opposite Uranus. Sun in the 11th and Uranus in the 5th. relationships would scare the living daylights out of me......when I first starting seeing my BF i had the worst case of nerves for 2 weeks straight. I couldn't eat or sleep.....it's been a while that I have been with him and I'm feeling very secure with him. I don't know what I would do without him.

    I also have a Taurus Saturn in the 12th....

    One would think a venus in pisces would gravitate more towards relationships......even a cancer moon gal....but not me.

    I had spent 3 years being successfully single and I quite enjoyed my time.though my guy pals would get very angry with me cause they wanted a relationship and the man-woman stuff I'm not keen on.....

    I have ALWAYS been feircly private and quite protective on my life and it takes a long while till I will let people into my life....always like having a wall around me....I developed this during my bad childhood.

    I need to reach out more and spend more time with friends.I'm starting to show an active interest in some people's lives - initiating things - to see where they go. It's hard opening up but I think this is what I need to do...

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    downtomars
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    posted July 26, 2009 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message
    …and honestly Unmoved, you are a sultry songstress who has (or would like to, I’m not sure) toured, recorded, is thinking about making international moves - it is only natural that you would want to be all about your career now! The men can wait – they will always be there (don’t let anyone tell you otherwise)! MVM is right, the focus is on friendship first. I’m sure you have to see how these guys will handle your career and friendship first is the way to go. So many people nowadays are looking for the “I knew the moment I looked into his eyes…” intensity that we forget that we should actually know each other first. Uranus/Aquarius could help you do that without getting all attached.

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    DepTaurus
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    posted July 26, 2009 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
    cynnared i also have a chiron in the 11th house and i am a loner. especially distant with my friends like i have no contact with them like on a daily basis it is more like a few weeks pass and then ill talk to them. you are so right cunnared. that whole point on being distant with friends is dead on.

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    Cynnared
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    posted July 26, 2009 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
    The whole distant with friend thing at the moment is driving me up the wall....I would really love to see them more often....Yeah I don't talk to my friends daily and like yourself, a few weeks will pass and then I'll call.....there are some friends that I have tried calling almost every day and it feels weird.....I look on FB and see many of my friends hanging out with each other and at times it feels like I'm missing out on some fun....

    I need to open up more and socialize with my friends....

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    DepTaurus
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    posted July 26, 2009 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
    omg cynnared your like my twin oh i love you right now. i can totally understand where your coming from. i always look on fb and see my friend too and they are always together at times its ok because i have my own life too. but its like i cant hang out with you because blah blah . and just to hear them just like posting there comments its just like ah man i really should have gone.

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    DepTaurus
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    posted July 26, 2009 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
    hey cynnared i wonder if its a cardinal thing cause your chiron is in aries conjunct your sun. and mine is in cancer conjunct jupiter. or maybe its just the 11th house.

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    Cynnared
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    posted July 26, 2009 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
    the other night I was reading up on chiron placements....Chiron in the 11th has to do with friends and groups. I was a gal would would march to the beat of my own drummer and never fit in at school or at home. Now with Chiron in Aries - it shows a wound to my sense of self and I have had to learn how to be true to who I am.Aries being a me first sign....In Cancer I think it would have to do with home/family/roots/a parent.....

    I'm happy to learn that I am not alone and I'm appreciative that you can relate to me....Thanx sooooo much.love u too

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    DepTaurus
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    posted July 26, 2009 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
    your like my twin seriously. i never fit in school sure i had friends but i always skiped and did my own thing. i marched to the beat of a different drummer too.oh and hope your doing better ive read your posts and i hope its not hurting your belly to much and stay in bed and sleep and get everyone to do stuff for you so you dont have to get up lol. have yu been eating alot of ice cause my cousin did the last few weeks.

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    Cynnared
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    posted July 26, 2009 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
    i'm taking things in stride with the changes in my life! I'm feeling such a sense of loss. I am so used to living such an independent life and having to deal with things on my own. A year ago I was living my life - i had my job, my social life etc.

    These days I'm on the couch cause I can't walk far and need help getting to the washroom. I have a mixture of feelings happening. I have never felt so dependent and vulnerable in my life and I don't know what I would ever do with out my BF.

    I am due any day now - 37 weeks and the due date is actually August 10th.but she may come early.

    Thank you for the well wishes

    I've been drinking lots of water and eating a lot of watermelon.....

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    Cheshire Kat
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    posted July 26, 2009 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheshire Kat     Edit/Delete Message
    I guess I can see myself as this.. I use to get in relationships for three reasons, wrong reasons.

    1. Pressure of friends.."Why are you single?" or "Omg you should date so and so"..yada..

    2. I somehow knew I was gay but if my family were to find out..I would have a long talking to, that I just didn't want to hear or go through.

    3. I took a lot from the universe and tried to fill in gaps within myself.

    Usually I would avoid the guy after a period of time at school or after school and then they would break up with me and I would breath a sigh of relief and the guy and I would be friends again.

    Now it's all about finding myself and improving on things...

    I guess this has to do with Chiron in Leo in the 7th house, Venus RX.O.o


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    enchantress299
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    posted July 26, 2009 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message
    I have a lot of similar placements to you Unmoved, and I'm quite the commitment-phobe myself (if you want to call it that).

    I think for me, it's not liking the restrictions that are placed on people in a relationship. I'm not talking the fidelity thing. I believe fully in fidelity. I'm talking about placing restrictions on how the other person should BE in a relationship. It's a power struggle in the greatest sense. I've never bought into "traditional" male/female roles. I think that in a relationship each person should BE who they are and be able to walk their path together. I see so many couples telling each other what they expect and this is conditional on you fulfilling this and this and this. You should know who a person is once you enter into a relationship with them, and if they can't fulfill a certain need that you have, then you should walk away from them. I hate listening to couples who are like: "They should do this and this and this for me." If you don't like who a person is then why are you with them?

    Of course, there are also certain things that I won't stand for, and if I know a person has those certain traits (violence, emotional instability, etc) I won't enter into a relationship with them to begin with because I know I won't be able to accept that treatment from them.

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    Unmoved
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    posted July 26, 2009 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
    Cheshire Kat~

    quote:
    I guess I can see myself as this.. I use to get in relationships for three reasons, wrong reasons.

    At some point I think many of us get into relationships for the wrong reasons,but as we explore ourselves, get to know ourselves more, and as we start to like ourselves more, we tend to do things that are true to ourselves than things that please others.

    I must admit that I have had to wonder if I was gay, but I figured that I wasn't.

    enchantress299~

    yes, expectations are very restricting because they box a person. Mind you, there probably is a healthy way to have "expectations" but I haven't quite found the formula; where one should draw the line before it becomes debilitating to the relationship. I believe that one can not love unconditionally before one is a friend first (unless it's a parent child relationship but we are speaking of romantic love). So, I get you. Shoulds, shoul'ves... toxic indeed! Agreed. Maybe in moderation it might work, but for me I can't stand even a little of that.

    I remember a guy called me and my phone was off. He then blamed me for how his day ended, i.e. it ended in disappointment, blah-blah... I was so not impressed when he gave me the lecture. So, I asked him if he would react similarly had his friend had his phone off. He said it was different. And that is my issue because I feel it isn't different. Arg. Just thinking about that episode makes me anxious. Note that he left about 15 messages in a span of 20 minutes, and when I asked what the emergency was, there was none.

    My point is that I am expected to be available all the time and that gets on my nerves! I sometimes just wish to be left alone.

    Ok, I just vented there. sowwwy!

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