posted August 09, 2009 07:25 PM            

ETA: Sorry if I offended you CPN - that was not my intended tone.

It is really not as harsh as it sounds – it is a real thing. I think more people should read about it and really understand it better. Here is an example:

At one of my jobs (lol) a group of women were saying how “John” an African-American guy in the office always brought race into issues. I said “what happened this time?” One of the women said that they were talking about how wonderful it would be if it was the 1940s and <screeching halt!!!> before the woman even finished I said “Hell to the NO!”. The woman saw that I felt the same way as John and said “well, I guess we don’t understand what it is like to be black” – BINGO! She understood at that moment and that is a step toward understanding at all times.

It is a privilege to be able to look back in history and pick anytime to live and be a (fairly) equal member of that society. It is a privilege to say “no big deal/why discuss it?” about race issues if you aren’t discriminated against because of it on an almost regular basis. That is all. It isn’t a bad thing, just something that is overlooked. That is why I added the link, not to be a b**** but to help everyone understand what I meant.

posted August 09, 2009 07:49 PM            

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but I think that this forum is the wrong place to talk about things like "white privilege"

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posted August 09, 2009 07:56 PM            

it's just an asteroid that I am using because it worked for blacks and racial slurs used against blacks,...like it worked for certain transits that I had and race relations events that I looked at.

also the idea about white privilege is very touchy even though I do agree with the concept somewhat. I felt like people would be very uncomfortable about it. Therefore, I just offered my view about it...it had nothing to do with me...it my concern about others in here...especially whites. I didn't want downtomars to be slammed for what she said. I didn't want whites to be offended by the use of the word, "white privilege" which can lead to accusations about blacks getting special treatment and affirmative action. I have seen arguments like this before. they get too touchy and out of hand

also there was no astrology in connected to the white privilege stuff

but there was astrology connected to the stuff that I was using that people have problems with

I don't see why use of an asteroid for sociological astrological purposes is a problem.

Niger and nigger are similar in spelling. nigger has 2 g's and niger has one g
therefore,Niger is close to nigger, and seems to work with racial slurs like it did in my case when I was first called nigger on my 9th birthday and when Michael Richards was using the word repeatedly when he got heckled by some blacks when he was doing a standup comic routine. that doesn't mean that it will work for everybody. that's not how I view Astrology. so much relativity in Astrology.

I am part black, and I wouldn't be offended for somebody using the asteroid,Niger in regards to sociological astrology in regards to blacks and racial slurs. To me, it makes a lot of sense. That doesn't condone the use of the word, nigger against blacks. That doesn't mean that all blacks are niggers. I certainly don't like being called a nigger. the last time I was called nigger was in 2004. I don't want anybody else to be called a nigger. I don't even like when some blacks call each other nigga. I don't like being called nigga either.

I only make a point about the synchronicity that Niger has with the use of the word,nigger and how it was connected to blacks that are often called that racial slur by some people.

asteroids work because of synchronicity
for that matter, heavenly bodies work because of astrology
Astrology work because of synchronicity

I see no problem with that. It's not a crime.

it's just sociological asteroid astrology.

Blanco is an asteroid named after a person, but it can be used for whites. Blanco is Spanish,Portuguese for white.

I explained how name asteroids are used in Astrology.

I even posted the stuff that Jacob Schwartz said about name asteroid astrology too.

asteroids don't have to be exact for them.
many people on this forum have used asteroids that aren't exact to the meaning of a certain asteroid.

I don't see anybody jumping on their butts for doing that.

so just get off my mine.

to me, it is political correct

if people can't do a simple sociological astrological post just because a person gets offended by the use of a certain asteroid for a certain concept.

as for my issuses, I see them as differences if you are referring to my neurodivergence.

I am a neurodiversity advocate that plans to open a nonprofit neurodiversity organization to help people with neurological/learning differences so they can be better awareness and understanding of us. I also want to address psychiatric misdiagnosing of people with neurological/learning differences. I want to stress the need for educational reform too. I do want to stress that there needs to be better understanding of neurodivergents that aren't white.

I feel that it's my soul purpose.

posted August 09, 2009 08:23 PM            

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I don't get it

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I'm not sure if you saw my post on the other page (as you said you were "done with the thread" at that point)

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Raymond,

I agree, you have the right to write what you want - I have the right to reply & tell you that as a Nigerian, as an African I find your use of the asteroid highly offensive.

Can you not understand that it's offensive to use the name of an African country (basically disregard it's proper usage as name of a country, river & people) then use it to represent a racial slur that's spat against people of said race? Can you not see how inappropriate and offensive that may be to people from these areas. Or does your empathy only apply when offence is made to those with learning disabilities?

It's akin to me using asteroid "mule" (if it exists) to talk about biracial people. Inappropriate no?

Having tact and consideration for other cultures is not political correctness, it's common decency.

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I don't see anyone "jumping on your butt" there are just 2 people informing you that what you have said here has caused them offence.

posted August 09, 2009 08:39 PM            

oh please! don't go there!

just because I use a certain asteroid and disagree with your views doesn't mean that I lack empathy. It doesn't mean that I have just empathy for people with only learning disabilities. I prefer to use the term, learning differences/neurodivergence. You don't know me to judge my ass! I have empathy about a lot of things. If you don't think so, that's fine. I don't care because you don't know me.

"It's akin to me using asteroid "mule" (if it exists) to talk about biracial people. Inappropriate no?"

I have no problem with the use of the word, mulatto. I have referred to myself as a mulatto.

there are many other people that refer to themselves as mulatto.

they even have an organization site created by people that refer to themselves as mulattoes.

Resources for those interested in Mulattos, people mixed with European and African, Black and White. http://www.mulatto.org/

I think that I have discussed this before.
I think that you got my friggen ass for using the word,mulatto.

I guess the word, creole is offense
maybe mestizo too.

ugh

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 09, 2009 08:46 PM            

all I know is that the asteroid,Niger works with the sociological astrology that I have been doing in the past. It worked for my own transits when I was called the n'word.
Therefore,I never saw why it was offensive to use Niger in regards to blacks,the racial slur.

I know that I will never post any sociological asteroid astrology stuff on this forum ever again because I don't want people to jump on my ass because they don't like certain asteroids that I use in regards to sociological asteroid astrology. Next thing, I will get slammed by Jewish people for using the asteroid,Jewitt for Jewish,Jew.

I stand corrected in regards to Blanco only being Spanish for white and not both spanish and portuguese for white. I think Negro is both spanish and portuguese for black, but I could be wrong about that too. I know that Spanish and Portuguese have some similarities in their language especially with their both sharing the Iberian peninsula,and so I thought some words are the same.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 09, 2009 08:48 PM            

- go on the defensive when challenged about offending people
- accuse people for jumping on your "friggen ass"
- are yet to acknowledge or even begin to understand how you have caused offence shows a lack of empathy. Period

posted August 09, 2009 08:57 PM            

That's your personal opinion.

it doesn't make it fact.

just like my personal opinion doesn't make it fact

just because I don't agree with your views doesn't mean that you are right and I am wrong.

same with you don't agree with my views doesn't mean I am right and you are wrong.

we just have different views just like many other people have different views

that's why we have so many different religions,spiritual beliefs on this planet!

some people might think that you're schizophrenic for claiming that you have spiritual,psychic abilities, and others might think that you're not

just like some people might think that I am stupid for having neurological/learning differences,and others might think that I am not.

it depends on the perception of things

like many people think Astrology is nothing but superstitious crap....it is considered be a pseudoscience by the mainstream scientific community,academic community,and psychiatric community.

just like there are astrologers that think asteroid astrology is crap, and some that don't think that they are crap.

I agree to disagree.

I am not going to get into personal attacks nor assume stuff about you because I don't agree with your views.

I appreciate the same.

also I am taking your ass off on my facebook.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 09, 2009 08:59 PM              

i do think everone should be able to find happiness in relationships without stigmas attached to race, religion, gender, occupation.

people shouldn't give a flip what others think, it's thier life..its sad when people can judge someone for who they love.

posted August 09, 2009 09:08 PM            

ETA: OMG – I can’t believe how long ago I was thinking about this – 10/14/2005! I found out by checking my Amazon.com order history for when I started ordering books related to black-Jewish relations…

posted August 10, 2009 03:25 AM            

the following is from Jacob Schwartz's asteroid http://www.astrosoftware.com/AsteroidSignatures.htm

"You'll discover an awesome level of personal connection between asteroid names important to you and important dates in your life when those names connected."

That's the thing. It's about if an asteroid has importance and meaning in your life. There is no telling what asteroids are like that. Just because they have importance and meaning in your life doesn't necessarily mean that they will be important and have meaning in other's lives. Just because a certain asteroid is named after a place,person doesn't mean that it can't have a personal meaning in your life. I found certain asteroids are important and meaningful in my life and showed strong themes in my life and events happen during transits involving those asteroids. Some of asteroids could be seen as controversial because of certain concepts they might be connected to that might offend others that are connected to the names of these asteroids. There is relativity when it comes to asteroids. The asteroid in a person's chart might be their nationality,birthplace,or heritage but for others it might be dealing with certain views,events connected to concepts with some of them might be controversial. It's not your fault that you relate strongly to this asteroid in a different way compared to others. That's the same with planets in astrology. We relate to certain planetary aspects differently. Not everybody with hard Neptune aspects are drug addicts nor psychotics. Not everybody with hard Pluto aspects are obsessive powertrippers. It's all relative. Everything in Astrology is relative.

the view of looking at an astrology chart is relative

because there are so many ways to look at chart because there are more than one coordinate

for example

ecliptic longitude
ecliptic latitude
equatorial longitude aka Right Ascension
equatorial latitude aka Declination
horizon coordinates
declination longitude equivalent

there is geocentric
there is heliocentric
there is barycentric

Niger is an asteroid that has deep meaning in my life. It's very personal to me. It's a strong theme in my life

Like I said before...just because an asteroid has a certain meaning in one's life doesn't mean that it has that same meaning in another's life. Just because a certain asteroid is named after a certain place,person,thing doesn't mean that it can't have personal meaning of another way in a person's life.

My Niger is in 13'47 Scorpio in 3rd
sextile my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
squares my Vertex in 14'48 Aquarius/Leo in 5th and 11th houses

I also check the geocentric and heliocentric Niger Nodes

asteroid nodes too....they are astronomically relevant, and so they are astrologically relevant.

astronomers record the nodes of objects other than the moon

if it wasn't for astronomers,we wouldn't be able to calculate these asteroids and use them in Astrology
that's the same for the outerplanets,kuiper transneptunians,centaurs,and deep space objects

Therefore,astronomy greatly factors into our Astrology

geocentric asteroid nodes move quickly
they return to their positions in about a year.
they relate to personal matters/karma

heliocentric asteroid nodes move up to 1 degree per century.
they relate to collective matters/karma

Roy MacKinnon's take on asteroid nodes http://www.bsa.bristolastrology.net/asteroid_nodes.html

My geocentric North Niger Node is in 16'19 Scorpio in 3rd house
My geocentric South Niger Node is in 27'32 Taurus in 9th house

My heliocentric Niger Nodes in 19'32 Scorpio/Taurus in 3rd and 9th houses
conjunct/oppose my 1st/10th house ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

The asteroid, Niger figured prominently in my life as a person who is part black that was called "nigger" numerous times.

Niger in Scorpio indicates that being called the "nigger" created intense,emotional reaction in me, and it did. Being called that racial slur always creates intense,emotional reaction in me.

3rd house is early education and the neighborhood as well as communications

I was first called the n'word on my 9th birthday by a girl that lived in the same apartment complex as me. She was the same age as me. She and I went to the same school.

I was also called "nigger" by a boy that lived right under me in the apartment complex.

In 7th grade, I was called a "nigger"
in 9th grade, I was called a "nigger" and I was treated like one...things like being told that I have naps,nappyheaded, and other things....it made me kinda ashamed of my looks a part black person...I wanted that "good" hair and not the frizzy hair. I didn't want my nose to be so big. I didn't like being so dark. Heck...I thought "If only I was like my mother"
I also got touchy when people told me that I didn't look like my mom because I looked too black to be her son.

I was called "nigger" in online chatrooms in the 2000's....the latest was 2004 by a white man from Florida in yahoo astrology chatroom. I had confronted him because he was calling arabs in the chatroom "sandniggers", and I felt that was wrong. I couldn't stand bigotry against arabs. There was a lot of prejudiced attitudes against arabs in the chatroom.

Niger sextile my Ascendant indicates that my black ancestry is evident in me, and so that leads to some people calling me "nigger"

also...some blacks that can tell that I am black might call me "nigga" as some type of brotherhood thing even though I don't like that. That's happened to me more than once,and I don't like it. There was even a white guy that was into black culture that called me "nigga" and I didn't like that either.

Niger square Vertex/Antivertex can mean fated meetings with others that called me "nigger"
the 5th and 11th house is involved....so children and friend's could be called that. I had black friends that were called that. I could have children that are called that.

I had a hunch that Niger was in significant transits to my chart when I was called a "nigger" for the very first time which happened on my 9th birthday. My hunch was accurate.

here was a post that I did in 2007 on Eris in regards to being called the n'word for the very first time:

I remember the first time that I was called "nigger". It was on my birthday,and so that made it easier to remember. I got into an argument with a blue eyed blonde girl who lived in the same apartments and attended the same school as me. She called me "nigger". I was in shock,and I asked her what did she call me. She called me "nigger". I walked away very hurt. I was only 9 years old.That event was like the reality check of what it's like being black. It even kinda made me ashamed of being black and made me wish that I was white like my mother. They see that I have brown skin and frizzy hair with other Black features,and they can see that I am "Black"

I checked Eris
I also checked the asteroids, 11207 Black,1193 Africa,6391 Africano,8766 Niger for Blacks/African Americans

The time when I was first called "nigger"
October 29, 1980
4:00 PM
Sacramento,California

birthdata October 29, 1971
3:20 AM
San Francisco, California

Transiting Eris in 14'26 Aries Retrograde in my 8th
Secondary Progressed Sun in 14'21 Scorpio in my 3rd
Transiting Africano in 14'18 Gemini Retrograde in my 10th
Natal Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
Natal Niger in 13'47 Scorpio in my 3rd
Transiting Mars in 12'48 Sagittarius in my 4th
Natal Africano in 12'38 Aries Retrograde in my 8th Retrograde
Natal Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde Aries in my 8th

Secondary Progressed Mars in 0'29 Pisces in my 6th
Transiting Jupiter in 0'30 Libra in my 1st
Natal Pluto in 0'51 Libra in my 1st
Transiting Niger in 1'37 Virgo in my 12th
Secondary Progressed Mercury in 1'39 Sagittarius in my 3rd
Natal Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in my 3rd
Secondary Progessed Venus in 3'00 Sagittarius in my 3rd
Natal Moon in 3'11 Pisces in my 6th

Transiting Saturn in 4'38 Libra in my 1st
Natal Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in my 2nd/3rd
Natal Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio in 8th/9th and 2nd/3rd houses

Transiting Africa in 19'37 Taurus Retrograde in my 9th
Secondary Progressed Midheaven in 19'29 Gemini
Natal Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in my 3rd
Natal heliocentric Niger Nodes in 19'32 Scorpio/Taurus in 3rd and 9th houses

Transiting Uranus in 24'41 Scorpio in my 3rd
Transiting Ceres in 25'04 Cancer in my 11th
Natal Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in my 6th
Solar Arc Mercury in 27'21 Scorpio in my 3rd
Natal Black in 27'40 Aquarius in my 6th

8th harmonic aspects (semisquare,sesquiquadrate used in Cosmobiology)

Solar Arc Mercury sesquiquadrate Natal Eris in my 8th - '06 Separating
Solar Arc Mercury sesquiquadrate Natal Africano in my 8th - '17 Applying
Transiting Venus semisquare Natal Niger in my 3rd - '41 Separating

Solar Arc Mercury = Natal Black,Eris,and Africano
(8th harmonic configuration)

My Solar Return:
Eris in 14'27 Aries Retrograde in 5th
Africano in 14'26 Gemini Retrograde in 8th
Midheaven in 14'59 Leo (conjunct my antivertex exact)

Africa in 19'56 Taurus in 7th
Mercury in 17'43 Scorpio Retrograde in 1st

Black in 22'42 Virgo in 11th
Pluto in 22'14 Libra in 12th
Neptune in 20'46 in Sagittarius in 2nd

Declinations:
Jupiter 0'55 North
Black 0'24 South
Saturn 0'09 North
(on equator) objects on the equator are strong energies

the positions of the asteroids and asteroid node placements
can be calculated here http://www.true-node.com/pos/

so I have used the asteroid,Niger to look at race relations events in regards to Blacks....especially ones that have to do with racism. Like I said before, there was a grand trine of Mercury,Uranus and Niger when Michael Richards was on a racist rant, calling black men that heckled him on stage, "nigger". Both Mercury and Uranus were stationary at that time too.

Mu'Min Bey's sociological astrology focusing on race relations matters in regards to blacks inspired my interest in sociological astrology. He is like the only black astrologer that even does that. I do think that these things are relevant to look at in Astrology, but these things can be too sensitive to some people. I feel that many white astrologers can get put off with astrology related to race relations matters including things on racism,black rights. Heck..there even were people that tried to make me out to be an angry black man just for posting sociological astrology in regards to Eris. Also my exgf who is white was also annoyed because of my sociological astrology in regards to Eris too. This is the same person that pointed out to me later on that black men got the vote before women did. After Reverend Wright fiasco, she said that Obama can't run USA because he's too biased like he is only going to help black people out. That stuff really made me uneasy.

I didn't see what the big deal was about my sociological astrology posts. I was just doing astrological research and researching Eris in regards to civil rights stuff and minorities.

I extended my sociological astrology to Asteroid Sociological Astrology with the use of the ethnic asteroids to look at sociological matters. They work in my chart and the charts of relatives and friends. They have worked in events that I looked at. Therefore, I use them regularly now.

that's all I am going to say.

Peace.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 10, 2009 08:00 AM            

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I have yet to date a Jewish man though, even though I find them highly attractive. I probably have not found one because of the strong tradition (which is one of the reasons I admire them) and the need for the mother of children to be Jewish in order for the children to be Jewish. I even considered converting! I wonder what was going through my 9th house at that time, hmm. If I could pinpoint I would but time seems to be melding together and I can�t tell yesterday from last year (Neptune t.1st house)�

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You sound just like a friend of mine. She's black & has a penchant for Jewish men, she reckons they're the "finest men on earth". She's dated a couple but has experienced problems with his side of the family (she lives in the states BTW)

Edited: I was looking at the wrong chart

Mars in Leo (not sure of the house since there's no time of birth)

A yod made up of Jupiter in Gemini sextile Saturn in Leo, both are quincunx to a Sun/Venus conjunction in Capricorn.

Mars/Venus make an out of sign opposition...she's over sexed lol

posted August 10, 2009 02:25 PM            

I tend to attract Jewish and Polish guys.

Anyhow, I think I just went on a tangent and to bring it back to astrology and racial preferences I tend to date people from different backgrounds from myself (socioeconomically, racially, religiously). I find a lot of people attractive (mostly women) which gets my wondering eye in trouble.

Since my parents are an example of a mixed race pairing, here are some of their placements:
Mom- Sun Scorpio 11th, Moon Virgo/Libra 9th, Asc. Capricorn, Venus Libra 10th
Dad- Sun Capricorn, Moon Libra, Venus Capricorn, Mars Libra

I have no idea if I have written a coherent post because I am currently on a Yoga and Tai Chi high… if not, I apologize.

Cancer Venus in 9th
Leo Mars in 10th
Pisces Moon in 5th

posted August 10, 2009 04:09 PM            

Sun in Gemini square Pluto-Uranus conjunction in Virgo indicate transformation,change,revolution. Sun quincunx Neptune in Scorpio can indicate the dissolving of intimate boundaries being highlighted. The conjunction of Jupiter and Venus square the conjunction of True Black Moon Lilith, the North Lunar Node,Heliocentric North Eris Node in Taurus indicates the freedom,expansion of love,relationships in connected to diversity,equality.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 10, 2009 10:41 PM            

I'm a Sagittarius rising, with Jupiter in the 3rd. My Sun (men in my life) rules the 9th house cusp. My 5th house ruler is Venus and it's trine Jupiter.

My DC ruler is Mercury, disposed by Pluto in the 11th trine Jupiter.

Uranus and Saturn in Sag are opposite my DC (Uranus from the 1st, Saturn from the 12th)

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Knowledge is power.