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downtomars
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posted August 07, 2009 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering if there were any aspects in the chart that point to interracial dating. When I do date I am someone who exclusively dates interracially, interculturally and interfaithedly (I like to make up words). I thought that Jupiter in the 7th and Moon and Pluto in the 9th house might have something to do with it.

Do you date interracially, interculturally and interfaithedly? Any other signs of this in a chart?

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posted August 07, 2009 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
regarding dating? jupiter and uranus i've heard a lot about/experienced. in the 7th, ruling the 7th, in the 5th, ruling the 5th, ruling venus, any sort of back and forth between sun/venus:jupiter/uranus and their correspondences.

i'm sure there are others, and make sure that it's more than one indication, at least two before drawing conclusions as that tends to be the safest astro bet.

for men you can exchange sun for moon, unless sun rules h7 or h5, etc. & for women you can add mars to the sun/venus mix.

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posted August 07, 2009 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I have Sun and Jupiter in the 7th square Uranus, Sun conj Venus in the 7th and Mars in the 5th...

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posted August 07, 2009 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Down to Mars, just curious do you date all races (including your own)? Or do you exclusively date those who are not of your race?

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posted August 07, 2009 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All outside of my race, it seems to just happen that way.

Lonake is on to something - my sister has Jupiter in the 7th and Venus in the 5th and we have similar dating patterns. We both also have Aquarius rising.

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posted August 07, 2009 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i should qualify that post since in general the more astro indicators you have for a trait = greatly strengthened = the degree to which it might be expressed. just one aspect or placement pointing to an event/tendency/trait is virtually impotent.

but from what i've seen 3 indicators really do point to X event/psychological trait occuring in native's life. either something they're acting out, doesn't have to be real, could be a fantasy or an obsession, or something/someone they're drawing to themselves, but the energy would be there.

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posted August 07, 2009 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think a strong Libra influence/signature could suggest someone who dates people exclusively outside their race (Libra suggesting "the other" or "not me") and Uranian influence for those who date people of all races.

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posted August 07, 2009 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Deliverance - that all makes sense. My Moon and Pluto are in Libra in the 9th, Sun/Merc/Jupiter in the 7th with Venus at 0 degrees on the Dsc.

What is everyone else's experience and placements?

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posted August 07, 2009 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the most fun i have in relationships are with men who have a different nationality and/or ethnicity - attracted to highly spiritual men no matter their personal affiliation, if any, but do have a special liking for buddhists, no i'm not buddhist. i've also mainly attracted men who were quite different from me in this regard, and so far it's been mutual. i find the exchange fascinating and i love the contrast that goes alongside all the tension and the buzz of getting to know each other/falling in love, and expanding my worldview learning about other cultures/practices in the process. i want the externals to be very different but emotionally, etc. i want someone very similar to myself.

-sun square uranus, sun is also chart ruler so has added importance
-uranus ruling h7
-uranus in h5, on the cusp
-h5 ruled by sagittarius
-juno in sagittarius, h5
-vertex in sagittarius conj uranus, h5
-ruler of sun in sagittarius, h5
-a smaller factor, mercury conj dsc, in aspect to both uranus and jupiter
-adding libra to the mix: mars/saturn/pluto, stellium

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posted August 07, 2009 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was born from an interracial relationship of a white woman and black man.

my mom has Venus conjunct 9th house ruler Uranus in Cancer in 2nd square Neptune in Libra in 5th.
She also has 7th house ruler, Saturn conjunct South Eris Node in 5th house which sextiles her Mars in Capricorn in 7th.

I believe Eris is involved in regards to diversity.


My father had Venus in Sagittarius.


I have both my 7th house rulers, Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in Sagittarius in 3rd oppose 5th house ruler Saturn in Gemini in 9th house and it squares my Moon.
My 9th house ruler Venus parallels my 7th house ruler Neptune and contraparallels my 5th house ruler Saturn.

I have unaspected Uranus in Libra in 2nd.
My Venus is quincunx Eris in Right Ascension chart
My Moon semisquare Eris in Right Ascension chart

Eris trine my Imum Coeli in Sagittarius fits with my interracial family background. so does Jupiter in Sagittarius in 3rd conjunct Imum Coeli in Sagittarius.

the heliocentric Uranus Nodes in Gemini/Sagittarius are in my 10th and 4th houses square my Ascendant/Descendant fit with by being in interracial relationships connected to my interracial family heritage


I also believe that the centaurs,kuiper belt objects can fit into interracial relationships because of the nonconformist natures of those objects.

They make Uranus look conventional.

when you consider the orbit, Uranus orbits right on the ecliptic just like the other planets. The centaurs and transneptunians tend to orbit well off the ecliptic. they have high inclination.


My Mother has Venus oppose the centaur,Chiron and square the transneptunian,Sedna
She has Orcus conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant axis


transneptunians:
I have Venus trine Orcus, sextile Haumea in Right Ascension
I have Moon trine Ixion-Quaoar, square Varuna,and sextile Sedna.
I have Haumea conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant axis
Huya parallel/contraparallel Ascendant/Descendant axis
Moon contraparallel Quaoar

centaurs:
My Venus trines Chariklo
My Moon conjuncts Pholus in Right Ascension
Chiron parallel/contrapararallel Ascendant/Descendant axis


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 07, 2009 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. I like aliens.

Jupiter in 7H
Sagittarius DC
Venus/Mars/Uranus in 5H
Strong Libra influence

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Venus/Uranus in aspect.
Aquarius rising.

I dont like guys my race....rarely...

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My last serious boyfriend was Puerto Rican. People are people.

"interfaithedly" might be harder for me. I am not religious, but am spiritual. Dont think I could date a born again Christian or anyone like that.

Venus in 5th
Jupiter in 6th
Mars and Saturn in 7th
Moon and Pluto in 8th

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posted August 08, 2009 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am more attracted to guys outside of my race

I have moon,uranus,saturn,asc,juno in sagittarius
moon conjunct uranus
mars in aquarius
venus trine jupiter
and sun in libra trine uranus!

my bf also prefers girls outside of his race
he has sun,uranus,neptune,mercury in sagittarius
venus in aquarius square jupiter and trine uranus

I think sagittarius/jupiter emphasis in the chart definitely contributes to interracial/intercultural/interfaith relationships
whereas aquaris/uranus emphasis would be attracted to ppl who are different/unique, ie from another culture, race
but the aquarius/uranus factor doesnt necessarily mean a longterm relationship or mariage


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posted August 08, 2009 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Had I had a British or American passport, then I would have exclusively dated interracial, intercultural or interfaith
[except ultraorthodox Judeo-Christian-Islamic types, they just dont get along with
an occultist.]

Would have dated interplanetary as well [provided they have 46 chromosomes and are heterogenous.]

Luckily for me, my wife looks foreign, like a Mediterranean belle.... very yummy and very va va voom...

Neptune in 9th

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posted August 08, 2009 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
downtomars: hahaah i like your made up words

i read yes jupiter in 7th may contribute to this. also descriptions i've read about venus in scorpio. but other than that, not sure about what astrologically may make someone inclined to date someone totally different from them.

i don't date often but most guys i attract and do see are not my race. i'm asian/european so i get a lot of those guys who are fascinated by "exotic" looking girls/girls who are not of their kind. i find a lot of caucasian men and asian men are attracted to my race mash up, but that's it.

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posted August 08, 2009 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
stopandstare,

pretty cool.

my stepsisters were half Japanese.
my stepfather was a mixture of Black,White,Native American,and Polynesian. He was from Boston. His mother was from Trinidad,and she passed for white.

none of my stepsisters looked like they had any black in them. They didn't really look Japanese either. They had Pacific Islander look to them.


The first girl that I had a major crush on was French and Irish on her mother's side and Japanese,Hawaiian,and Italian on her father's side. She was mainly into black guys.


Raymond


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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 08, 2009 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
glaucus: wow that's a REAL mash up of backgrounds

i grew up in a very white town so nobody ever really called me out on it. it was only when i left home and went to supposedly high cultured places with all sorts of races that i got questions about it.

i'm not sure if i'm into any race like i don't make it a point to only be into any race. but my VERY limited experience has so far been with caucasians. but then it can be attributed to the fact that where i go and who i hang with, i'm exposed to mostly caucasians.

however i find most people i attract they're just fascinated by the novelty and that disgusts me and turns me off automatically. it's like i can't control the fact that i was born this way. i got harassed a lot when i lived in europe. people there seemed to be bizarrely fascinated and that freaked me out because i just view myself as a regular person. ask me about my education or my work background but don't like ask me why i look the way i look.

i seem to only get harassed when i'm not in my nearly all-white town which is ironic. but then again, my town is a small town and people are much more respectful and polite.

i'm one those mash ups where i lean more towards one race, but i have very telling features that give me away. i've asked friends to tell me what they see when they see me and they always say well you look asian but obviously mixed with european. they say my eyes and my height give me away automatically and i must agree.

anyway glaucus, who do you seem to attract and/or attracted to?

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posted August 08, 2009 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I think indicators for interracial,intercultural,interfaith dating is relative..depending on the culture.

Jupiter might be an indicator for interracial relationships, but I am not sure with it being a natural benefic and planet of expansion. It's a planet that is progressive but is a social planet like Saturn. It's not an unconventional planet.


In Vedic Astrology, Jupiter is not a planet that is associated with anything interracial,intercultural,interfaith. It is known as a benefic. They believe in benefics and malefics.


From what I read in my Vedic Astrology studies, Rahu (North Node) relates to the unconventional,foreigners. In Vedic Astrology, 12th house has to do with faraway countries. Therefore 12th house relates to foreigners. 12th house is a malefic in Vedic Astrology.

I read that in Indian culture, it would be considered a negative thing to move far away to another country as well as marry somebody of a different culture.

so 12th house and Rahu as well as Ketu would fit more with interracial relationships.
Ketu is also considered a malefic in Vedic Astrology.


also Saturn is the malefic in Vedic Astrology. Therefore Saturn might be involved in interracial,intercultural,and interfaith stuff.


interestingly
in Vedic Astrology

my mom has Rahu conjunct Mars (also a malefic) in 7th

I have 12th house ruler Moon in Satabisha (nakshatra ruled by Rahu) conjunct 4th/9th house ruler yoga karaka Mars in Aquarius (sign ruled by Saturn) in 7th house aspected by 7th house ruler Saturn


so both my mother and I have strong indicators for interracial relationship in Vedic Astrology. My chart seems to indicate my interracial parentage too.

in Vedic Astrology, 9th house is associated with teachers and the father

Northern Indian culture, 9th house is the father. father is seen as being the teacher

Southern Indian culture, 10th house is the father.

note

In USA,

Interracial marriages are less than 10 percent of all marriages. Very small percentage of that are black/white marriages


so I would say that interracial marriages fit with the unconventional,the nonconforming.....especially black/white marriages.

also according to 2000 US Census, only 2.4 percent of Americans for the Census identified as multiracial. I was one of them.
not many people in America acknowledge their multiriacial backgrounds. I am sure that there are a lot more multiracial people here in American than 2.4 percent. Most black Americans are part white. It is said that about 1/4 of white Americans have some black ancestry.


that's why I think Uranus is strongly involved...far more than Jupiter. Uranus is a planet associated with being experimental and rebellious too. Many people (especially social conservative types) view people that date outside their race,culture,and faith as being rebellious and experimental.

I also strongly believe that transneptunians are more involved because Uranus is not unconventional compared to the transneptunians. Transneptunians are more nonconformists because of high inclination and highly eccentric orbits...especially scattered disk objects like Eris,detached objects like Sedna, plutinos (2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune)like Pluto.

if you consider the astronomical properties, the logic that the transneptunians are more nonconformist than Uranus is sound...especially when you know that Uranus is always orbiting right on the ecliptic but this is not so with the transneptunians...many of them never touch the ecliptic. That's because of high inclinations.

another thing to keep in mind is that Pluto is the planet associated with taboos. interracial,intercultural,interfaith relationships have a history of being considered taboo.

It wasn't until 1967, interracial marriage bans were made unconstitutional.
I was born in 1971. My parents got together in 1970. Interracial relationships were highly uncommon in USA then. They met in San Francisco (my birthplace), a city known for its liberalism,tolerance,and progressiveness as well as some say "The American Babylon"

when you think of Eris like (Dr. Michael Brown said), makes people think that their opinions are right and other's are wrong, Eris being related to diversity makes sense as well as things connected to it like divergence,advocacy,equal/civil rights, bigotry,intolerance.

Interracial marriage bans were put in place because people had opinions about what is right and what is wrong.

even in society today, we still have that going on....the gay marriage bans.

people's relative ethical,moral views keeping others from having marriage rights.

normal is based on what the majority of society thinks is right and wrong.

so yeah...there is no wonder that I believe Eris fits with interracial,intercultural,interfaith.


the same astrological indicators for interracial,intercultural,and interfaith dating can also be the same indicators for homosexual relationships too

also..the indicators for homosexual relationships can be the same for hormonal divergents (people with hormonal balances like a male with high estrogen levels and a female with high testosterone levels) which has nothing to do with one's sexual preference.

the same indicators for tolerance of interracial,intercultural,and interfaith are often the same indicators for intolerance of those things just like the same indicators for being abused,victimized,deceived are the same indicators for abuser,victimizer,deceiver. Many people are in both roles as the one being hurt and the one doing the hurting.


so there are no real cut and dry astrological indicators for interracial,intercultural,and interfaith dating imho

it's all relative...depending on one's views and the culture


Raymond


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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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I'm half white, half asian. I've only dated white dudes (except for my first love~~~ he was from Nicaragua).

Although, my boyfriend is from Lithuania (he moved to the US when he was 14).

Most cook book interpretations say that I'll marry a foreigner and live in a foreign country. We'll see I guess? My DSC ruler is Jupiter and it's in Aries in the 11th. Uranus and Saturn aspect my DSC and Venus.

My parents both married people outside their race and from a different country and grew up with different religions.

My mom's DSC ruler is Mercury (she's Pisces Rising) in Aquarius in the 12th, Jupiter and Uranus are in Cancer in her 5th (both oppose her Cap Venus). Mars is in Aries in the 2nd.

Dad's DSC ruler is Mercury (Sag Rising) is in Gemini in the 5th. He has Jupiter and Uranus in Cancer in his 7th, his Venus is in Aries in his 3rd, Mars in Gemini in 6th.

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posted August 08, 2009 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"glaucus: wow that's a REAL mash up of backgrounds

hahahaha"

actually my own background consists of a mother with Portuguese,French,English,German,Italian,and Puerto Rican ancestry.
a biological father with Black(no telling what African nationalities),French,Native American (my mom's says Cherokee)

People have mistakened me for Puerto Rican or some other Hispanic. I have also been mistakened for Pacific Islander (I am starting wonder if it's my Haumea conjunct the Ascendant with 2'10 orb...Haumea is the transneptunian dwarf planet named after the Hawaiian Fertility Goddess). I have been mistaken for Arab (probably from the Moorish component of my Portuguese/Spanish ancestry...Moors controlled the Iberian Peninsula for 7 centuries), especially when I have a beard. In this day and age with much prejudice against Arabs in USA, looking like an Arab is not a good thing. I have also been mistaken for East Indian too.

Some thought I was Black and Mexican. Many can tell that I am black and white.

A Portuguese penpal of mine says that I look Cape Verdean (Black-Portuguese mix) with strong Portuguese origins.

I think that I look like a combination of Black and Portuguese. My mother tells me the Native American is evident in my high cheekbones.

Many Blacks can usually tell that I am part Black and pin me down as just Black. There have been few that didn't know that I was part Black.

one of the regular things that I got told by many blacks is "Confused"


I consider myself "multiracial" I don't believe in the unofficial one drop rule "You're part black,and so you're black" Many of us multiracial people mixed with black don't want to be pinned down as black. It was multiracial people that was responsible for getting things changed so that people can mark down more than one race on government forms.

Of course, I don't see Barack Obama as the first Black President. After all, his mom is white. He isn't all black.

I find that mostly black people pin mixed people w/ black down.

The NAACP wants everybody that's part black to only identify as Black. They urged people to do that for 2000 Census. I can't support the NAACP. I feel that they don't care about multracial people's rights as much as they care black people's rights.

this "people have to be only one race" is ridiculous and is not reality. This comes from the views of people that don't believe in race-mixing. Many people don't believe in race-mixing and even vehemently against it. It doesn't matter what the race the person is.


I really think that I was born to give boundaries,stereotypes "the finger" ,saying "Screw you. I can't be pinned down."

I feel that's what my Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio as well as my Eris sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis,sextile/trine Lunar Nodes is all about......not going with the status quo, diversity, equality

"anyway glaucus, who do you seem to attract and/or attracted to?"

I have been attracted to and attracted people of many races. I admit that I have had the strongest attractions to white females. I see nothing wrong with that. Heck...my mom was mainly into black guys and she never been with a white guy.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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I dated interfaith wise. But it never really got serious. I didn't like him enough to want to overcome our differences. In few words, it was something I wasn't looking or ready for...

now my distant land friend had a serious interfaith thing where that's considered Huge (yes with that capital H)... It was very emotional and serious, but it ended during last venus retrograde (during which i lost a bet that they are gonna make up so for like a week my facebook status read " ___ __________ has found the real God in Islam.. going Burqa Shopping today!! Allah Loves U " ... and being a hard core atheist that I am, that raised quite a few eyebrows )....

anyways... the said person has Venus at 0 cancer in 10th house conjunct chiron, Neptune rx rulling the DC from 4th house

I dunno if I could manage the massive peer pressure this friend had on her for dating interfaith

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Interesting, there are Asian/Caucasians mixed people here too~ X3 My origins are Macanese, Singaporean, Malaysian and Portuguese. I was born in Macau, and it's not very uncommon to have mixed people in my hometown. Now I live in Portugal thought.
It's kinda annoying how my looks and height would kinda make it hard to blend in (in both my hometown and in Portugal), so that I would often draw unnecessary attention.

I wouldn't say that I won't date certain ethnicies for sure, yet I do have more preference for occidental guys. ^_^; Aside of the physical preferences, it's more due to cultural compatibility.
My 7th house ruler is Neptune, that is in Capricorn/5th house, trine AC and Mars in Taurus/9th house. It also squares my Sun in Aries/8th house.
My multiracial origin, as well as living far away from my hometown can be related to having Sagittarius IC and Uranus in the 4th house (trine Eris in the 8th house), as well as Jupiter (4th house ruler) being in Aquarius.

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Comica, my mom is from Malaysia and is Chinese

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posted August 08, 2009 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ethnic asteroids seem to work big time


Here is my ethnic asteroid chart.

my most eyeopening aspect is my Moon in 3'11 Pisces conjunct White in 2'49 Pisces in 6th house (white mother/women) fits with my anima about the female traits in me and the women that I am attracted to. Its involved in my t-square....which shows that my mixed heritage is part of my main challenges in this life.
What's funny is that asteroid was recently named in 2007. Right after the name was released, I went to see if I had it conjunct my Moon,and I do.

I have Blanco (Spanish/Portuguese for White) in 9'40 Aquarius conjunct my North Lunar Node in 10'30 Aquarius in 5th, sextile my 4th house ruler Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius, trine/sextile my Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. so romantic/child connections,family heritage,mother in connection with whites.


I have a conjunction of Africa in 11'15 Aries,Africano in 12'38 Aries,Eris in 12'14 Aries (all retrograde) in 8th sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius....this can indicates wounds,pain,equality,diversity matters in connection with my African family heritage. Sabian Symbol for 12 Gemini is Negro Girl Fights for Independence In the City. It seems like a degree that relates to Blacks,minorities,equal/civil rights,advocacy.

My Niger is in 13'47 Scorpio in 3rd sextile Ascendant in 13'27 Scorpio.

My Mom has a grand cross of 12th/5th house ruler Venus in 25'04 Cancer in 2nd, Africa in 26'06 Aries,Africano in 25'25 Aries in 11th, Chiron in 27'45 Capricorn, Neptune in 23'25 Libra in 5th.
That reflects her lovelife,relationships as well as children in connection with African heritage.

She even has Sun in 21'59 Gemini in 12th,Neptune in 5th, Pluto in 22'54 Leo,Niger in 23'26 Leo in minor grand trine. That could indicate having children with a black man.


even her solar return for the period that she met my father (she met my father February 1970) shows that she was meant to have a relationship with a black man to have a child with

Black in 8'14 Cancer in 7th conjunct Descendant in 7'40 Cancer. Larry (my father's name is Lawrence aka Larry) in 5'56 Capricorn in 1st conjunct Ascendant and trines the conjunction of 5th house ruler Venus in 6'21 Taurus and Saturn in 5'08 Taurus in 4th. Negron (Black) in 4'52 Libra is squares Larry and trines the conjunction of Moon in 2'24 Gemini and Mercury in 3'40 Gemini in 5th. Africa in 18'20 Leo trines Scott (my father's lastname) in 19'23 Aries.

the most amazing aspect is Sun conjunct Laurentia within 1 degree! He was the main focus of the solar return. She met him 8 months into her solar return period. She ran away from home (relocating from Sacramento to San Francisco) after giving birth to her firstborn son that she was forced to give up for adoption.

It was like she was meant to run away from home to meet my father to have a child with him,leading me to born.

like a soul meeting contract was already made ahead of time
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/Mymotherssolarreturnchart.gif


It's stuff like that makes me believe that Astrology is not just psychological and free will but also involves fate,destiny,karma.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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