posted August 14, 2009 04:42 PM         

Relationships don't always seem perfect in the chart, but if you are in love and happy what else matters? My BF and I don't have a lot of compatibilities in our chart but we are very in love and we have tons in common. The only real sign of compatibility is the sun-moon conjunction, which is a strong one, but everything else seems like it would be in discord.

Charts are like finger prints. They are all unique to the individual, and they should be interpreted with an open mind and not based off of traditional views on what "works" and what "doesn't work." What if you met somebody you fell deeply in love with and you found out that you were 'incompatible' Astrologically. Would you turn the person away? Would you really make yourself believe that it wouldn't have worked just because of some generalizations about Venus and Mars signs? It's silly.

posted August 14, 2009 04:46 PM         

It was a good post at least.

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The problem is not astrology itself, but people themselves.

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I agree with that sentiment.

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Yet like writesomething, it has become ingrained in me too because I studied it so deeply for many years. Cant help but think in astrological terms and associations daily.

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Yup. I don't participate a whole lot in astrological discussions anymore, but it is kind of imbedded in my brain.

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I don't know about you but astrology proves itself to me daily..and I'm not even looking most of the time.

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posted August 14, 2009 05:14 PM         

Currently, I'm wild about the new dimension numerology has added to my understanding of Astrology. Like I get a Leo influence, but can't find it anywhere in the chart...come to find out the person was born on the 1st of the month.

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Before saying if astrology is accurate or not, or determining or not.. do we really know how to read things correctly?

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Totally agree. When you understand how to read charts correctly, you'll find astrology is really, really fun.

In synastry, progressed-progressed & progressed-natal is the way to go. Because the natal chart is static, it makes sense why you won't look here at the beginning of a relationship.

posted August 14, 2009 05:15 PM         

I am actually sick of Astrology...I am actually getting sick of 20th Century Astrology, and I want to get more into 21st Century Astrology. However, that doesn't mean that 20th Century is wrong and invalid. I wouldn't say that about any type of system. That would be like me as a Unity Church member saying that other religious,spiritual beliefs are wrong and invalid too. I just can't go there. It's hard to even express an opinion,belief,view about a different astrological system without it being seen as an attack by somebody who practices that system just like an expressing of an opinion about a religion,faith,spiritual organization is often seen as an attack by somebody who practices that religion,faith,spiritual organization.

Astrology is one of those things that I prefer to agree to disagree on. I will offer my alternative viewpoints, but in the end, it's about "to each,his/her own" or "I agree to disagree"

There is so much diversity in Astrology.
Steven Forrest pointed out the Tower of Babel issues that is in the Astrological community. He even pointed out that the notion of "One true Astrology" is a myth and can be blown out of the water.

Because of the diversity,discord that seems strong in Astrological community before Astronomers argued over Pluto's planetary status, I really do believe that Eris could share rulership with Uranus when it comes to Astrology. I also think that maybe Eris rules The Astrology of the 21st Century.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 14, 2009 05:20 PM         

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Cant help but think in astrological terms and associations daily.

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posted August 14, 2009 05:34 PM         

heck..
I have watched youtube videos about skepticism,critical thinking in regards to Astrology and other metaphysical subjects.
I was watching a lot of that stuff last year when transiting Saturn was squaring my Saturn in Gemini in 9th. It made me start questioning my beliefs/practices in Astrology.....especially mainstream Regular Astrology.

I ended up preferring a more geometrical oriented astrological system, focusing more on cosmobiological techniques and the golden section aspects devised by Theodor Landscheidt. He had used them in his climatology work.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 14, 2009 05:35 PM         

as for synastry, i agree that it can be VERY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to the relationship to go into the charts before you know how you feel about a person. it's like deciding whether you like someone based on their colour and school record without meeting them...

posted August 14, 2009 05:53 PM         

It's always the same thing, give everyone the same reading, and see how they respond.

How come we never see what the participants wrote down, or what the reading was? For all we know everyone in the group had the same Sun sign.

posted August 14, 2009 06:00 PM         

I have been "into" astrology since I was 10 year old really (my mom had a copy of Linda Goodman's Love Signs and I was intrigued) but when it came to love I never, ever did a synastry chart. I was just too busy being in the relationship! I did like to know the guys signs but I can honestly say that I have never done a synastry chart with someone I went out with. Even after the relationship has ended, I look at the name asteroid (which is new to me, learned it from this site) and I note the Venus and Mars sign but I feel that the best way to judge how a relationship will be is to actually BE IN IT!

That said, I do like to know about MYSELF and how I AM when it comes to relationships. Check out my posts re: love, it is usually asking what this conjunct that natally means. YOU CANNOT CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT A CHART TELLS YOU! Also, as much as you think you know someone, you dont! I grew up with a double Cap mom and Virgo w/Cancer rising dad who had to explain or set examples to show to their little Leo on a daily basis that I can't control people and I have learned that lesson well. I do know that I can control what I do, that is what I use astrology for and I like to know how others act for themselves as well, that is why I ask questions re: asteroids, dating prefernces, etc.

ETA: plus I abhor “loving from afar”, “crushes” and “pining” from people who have graduated high school! People are just people, they can’t control you either so just make a move it won’t kill ya! If anyone actually could die of embarrassment, not just over love but over anything (I’m someone who gets a migraine/motion sickness in a wobbly elevator – I have had many embarrassing health related moments), that person would have been me, many times over. I’m still here and still optimistic!

Break out! Be Free!

posted August 14, 2009 06:33 PM         

I like how Duex mentions the whole thing about self-fulling prophecies with astrology (let's face it, I've come dangerously close to doing this myself LOL).

I think it's good to check in once in a while is all, and see why we've gotten into this 'mess' in the first place... back to basics, etc. At least that's how it's been for me regarding astrology. So much more than sun signs (the sun sign thing has never worked for me... I don't care how useful it is for others.... I think that's great for whoever it works for, but it just doesn't work for me)... in fact the sun sign conversation generally grates on my nerves. Sorry, AG and others... I completely yet respectfully disagree with you. To me it's like judging someone by skin color alone, that's how it feels. And while it's cute to see similarities of how sun signs 'behave', I think what we've done is brainwash ourselves into associating certain things with every sun sign so that we've trained our brains to look for the connections, and of course our brains will just follow suit.

posted August 14, 2009 06:39 PM         

I absolutely DO NOT want to create a box walled with expectations based on astrology to fit myself or anyone else into, yet it is subconscious and inevitable. We all should be careful about this... while gaining knowledge through astrology, at the same time we create many limitations we aren't even aware of! Our vision gets colored.

posted August 14, 2009 06:41 PM         

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 14, 2009 07:04 PM         

how we all use it shouldn't bother eachother.

posted August 14, 2009 07:10 PM         

I noticed your post on the first page about compatibility and dating, and was wondering what would've happened if you'd had gone for it and dated this person anyway.
I only ask because my ex-husband and I were in compatible sun signs, but our moons squared one another's suns as well. We had some intense Uranian and Plutonian stuff going on as well.
But we were very much in love, and I knew very little about astrology at the time. All I knew, I knew from composite charts and maybe some cook book interpretations.
But the relationship itself.... was it forever? No. Was it painful? Yes.
Would I trade it in for anything in the world? Hell no.
We did a number on each other, but we also had some amazing chemistry and the person I am *because* of that relationship is more myself than ever before.
Yes, the price was high, but the reward has been so unspeakably rich and vivid... I feel like I've come home to myself by walking through a refiner's fire.

So I guess I wonder if maybe it would be a bit of a drawback to keep oneself from valuable experiences if we see challenging synastry. Maybe our very souls need the challenge? Maybe this is how we reap the rewards of, perhaps, coming closer to what we want and who we want, and who we really are.
Because I think it might equally be dangerous to not try, to overlook our feelings in favor of synastry.

posted August 14, 2009 07:26 PM         

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in fact the sun sign conversation generally grates on my nerves. Sorry, AG and others... I completely yet respectfully disagree with you. To me it's like judging someone by skin color alone, that's how it feels. And while it's cute to see similarities of how sun signs 'behave', I think what we've done is brainwash ourselves into associating certain things with every sun sign so that we've trained our brains to look for the connections, and of course our brains will just follow suit.

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From a Sun you can get lots. It's true that not everyone of a Sun sign will follow the complete description to a "T," but you can glean something from knowing the Sun. For instance:

Aries: You can generally count on enthusiasm, and a person willing to get involved.
Taurus: You can generally count on them being and believing themselves to be stubborn. You can also count on them being loyal friends.
Gemini: You can count on their curiosity. You can count on the fact that they're going to be current on something.

etc. etc.

posted August 14, 2009 08:13 PM         

I understand.

but as a 37 year old, going on 38 on October 29th, I desire to be in lifelong relationship that has stability and security. I want to have a wife and children.

I don't want a lot of instability and unpredictability in my relationship. That would make me very stressed. I don't care for a lot of excitement either. I am not somebody that needs a lot of of space and independence. I am not the kind of man that goes out to the bars with the guys and needs to have a lot of fun.

I want to gal that I share spiritual,metaphysical interests in common. Somebody that I can work with in those areas and maybe even be my partner in my neuro-diversity advocacy.

The following aspects with her that concerned me are the following:

My Mars in Aqaurius square her Uranus in Scorpio with 34 minutes of arc.
My Mars in Aquarius squares her Taurus Ascendant with 27 minutes.
She has Uranus oppose Ascendant with 38 minutes
Therefore, my Mars closely squares her Uranus-Ascendant opposition.

Her Mars in Cancer squares my Uranus in Libra in with 10 minutes of arc, and that's the 2nd closest aspect in our synastry

so Mars square Uranus under 1 degree double
whammy

because of that double whammy, Mars oppose Uranus in 12 minutes of arc in the composite chart

Saturn squares that opposition
Saturn square Mars with 5 minutes of arc, and that's the closest aspect in our composite
Saturn squares Uranus with 7 minutes of arc

Jupiter conjuncts Uranus too, and so Saturn squares the opposition of Mars and Jupiter-Uranus conjunction.

Both the synastry and the composite chart indicate much instability,unpredictability.

furthermore,

Her Sun in Leo squares my Mercury in Scorpio with 5 minutes of arc,and that's the closest aspect in our synastry...that tends to indicate a major theme in regards to communication issues
Her Mercury in Leo squares my Mercury with 1'07 orb
Therefore, my Mercury squares her Sun-Mercury conjunction with narrow orbs
That can indicate bigtime communication problems
Her Sun-Mercury conjunction squares my Mercury-Venus conjunction

If you add the dwarf planet, Eris which is larger than dwarf planet , Pluto, there could be more insights into the relationship. If Pluto can be used in synastry,so can Eris. I believe in much narrower orbs though.

She has Mars square Eris with 29 minutes of arc.
My Uranus opposes her Eris with 5 minutes of arc. I already pointed out about my Uranus squaring her Mars with 10 minutes of arc. Therefore,my Uranus forms a t-square with Mars square Uranus which indicates bigtime issues involving diversity,controversy,discord

Cosmobiologists, who use semsiquares and sesquiquadrates in their system, would point out her Saturn semisquare my Venus with 18 minutes of arc. That can indicate restrictions,limitations with love,affections

Her Venus in Virgo sextiles my Venus in Scorpio with 35 minutes of arc, and that can indicate some attraction. It may not necessarily be romantic. Overall, I think that it's more about friendship.

My Sun in Scorpio squares her Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis with 1'17 orb, and so my ego/self expression can conflict greatly with her aim of life/career, domestic environment/unconscious.

Cosmobiologists believe that Midheaven is like the soul, the "I", and so believe that the Midheaven is the most important thing in the chart. They don't like seeing hard aspects involving the Midheaven in synastry.

I think that she and I are better off as just friends.

even my Venus in Scorpio opposes her Chiron in Taurus with 55 minutes of arc seems like the potential of being wounded, hurt,dealing with pain in the relationship with her.

btw I don't believe in Sunsign Astrology,and so I don't own a single Sunsign Astrology book. They actually bore me. I prefer to read books on aspects.

However,
I think it's more about to each, his/her own.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 14, 2009 08:35 PM         

winging about how others wish to use astrology is just pointless, why let it bother you?

as for astrology its self, my feeling on it is kind of agnostic, there seems to be alot of 'circumstantial' evidence in astrology that backs it up, but can't seem to be scientifically proven, in that sense it is like a religion indeed. i like exploring it and enjoy seeing astrology work or prove its self.