posted August 25, 2009 07:22 PM         

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Saturn in 7th could also mean a unsuccessful early marriage

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posted August 26, 2009 06:02 AM         

because that sort of negative projecting can actually hurt - unconsciously - the people who actually have it.

I have a friend with Saturn in the 7th; she met the perfect man while in college. they got married a little after her Saturn return (when transit Saturn was near the end of her 7th hs) and had a beautiful baby one year later.

her Saturn actually squares her Moon, ruler or her 7h; and Saturn rules her Asc.

they are still very much in love now, like 15 years after they met.

The Sun co-rules her 7th and sits in her 5th (romance, etc) and opp Neptune.

posted August 26, 2009 06:40 AM         

I had a friend who was married very young and has Saturn in the 7th... he's got a kid and is no longer married.
I have another friend with Saturn in the 7th who is looking to get married but is very careful.
Wherever Saturn falls will tell you what we give weight to and consider deeply. In the 7th, I would imagine that matters like marriage and partnership aren't flirted with, but taken seriously.

posted August 26, 2009 04:08 PM         

I don't think Saturn in 7th plays out in any predictable way vis a vis when and whether people will be married, single, dating, or whatever. What Saturn in 7th people have in common, whether they are in solid, lifelong marriages, having a series of romantic adventures, bitterly lonely, or happily alone by choice is that they place a lot of PRESSURE on themselves surrounding this issue. It doesn't really say anything about the romantic attachments or marriages we will/won't make. It does show the kind of energy that informs them, though.

The Saturn house, especially pre-Saturn Return, is also the area where [unless we "do our Saturn" everyday, as Anne Ortelee puts it] we tend to totally SELF-SABOTAGE. It's like we care so much, and put so much pressure on ourselves, that sometimes we try to run away, or we get lost in agonizing, or we have trouble living openly in the present moment in that area.

For instance, my friend with Saturn in the 2nd is so worried about money and security all the time, and he really beats himself up if he makes a mistake in that area, while I (Pisces Jupiter in the 2nd) don't worry whether I have enough or not, I just live in and enjoy the moment without spending much energy there, and things seem to work themselves out. Meanwhile, I agonize and wrestle with feeling bad about myself when my relationships aren't going right, while he is totally happy-go-lucky in that arena, with total faith that if one thing doesn't work, something new and wonderful will come along. Which is more the way I feel about security.

I think the natal chart shows feelings we will likely wrestle with, rather than necessarily which practical moves we will make.

posted August 26, 2009 04:16 PM         

exactly

you were thinking what I was thinking.

Mother Teresa had Neptune in 7th. She also had Pluto in 7th conjunct Descendant.
I couldn't help noticing that her Moon conjunct/oppose heliocentric Mercury and Mars Nodes and her Mars squares the heliocentric Uranus Nodes. Her Lunar Nodes square her heliocentric Sedna Nodes. Her Ascendant/Descendant axis sextiles her heliocentric Sedna Nodes.
http://www.e-tarocchi.com/reports/images/TeresaMothernatal.GIF

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 26, 2009 05:36 PM         

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Amowls, your aspects are fascinating! What do you look for in relationships? Are you more interested in something one-on-one and longterm, or excitement and adventure, or what?

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I like one-on-one longterm. But I get bored really easily. When I'm single I'm pretty slutty... but only because I'm actively looking for a replacement. I always seem to find someone new.

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I've read that Aries Jupiter can make a person impulsive, opposite Moon would tend to have sudden, strong, big feelings... and with a Libra moon in 1st (opp right?) would seem like you define yourself by relationships to feel satisfied and whole

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wow, hit the nail on the head, bopbop. i jump head first into relationships.

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To me, outer planets mean "others" so having three outer ones in your 7th could more symbolize the kind of people you end up in relationships with, esp conjunct descendant (Saturine, Uranian, Neptunian...).

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yeah... my last boyfriend was a Pisces Sun in the 11th and had a Cap DSC with his Saturn exactly conjunct my Mars. before him was a Libra with strong Uranian tendencies (he had aspergers) and before him was an Aqua Sun/Cap Venus.

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so partners (any kind) becoming friends and friends becoming partners might not be uncommon?

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posted August 26, 2009 05:57 PM         

he also has Pluto cj Moon in that stellium and yup...not only had a bad marriage before his 30´s but also he is a very difficult person to deal with

posted August 27, 2009 12:42 PM         

You know, I remember coming to this board a while ago and not knowing much about astrology, and reading about certain aspects and panicking... until I learned some more myself. We should really try to avoid this fatalistic **** , and IMO the title of the thread itself is so damn fatalistic (sorry! But what the hell? - Single FOREVER? Come on! Do you want to scare people?)
Besides, from EVERYTHING I have read here so far, it looks like there have been examples of good AND bad with Saturn in the 7th, just like anything...and so far basically the kind of relationships mentioned describe the majority of the population.... I suppose they must ALL have Saturn in the 7th ....

With all this talk of commitment and 'marriage' (legally or symbolically),I can't believe no one's mentioned (or elaborated) Uranus in the 7th, or in hard aspect to the 7th either! I was married to someone who had this while I myself have the ruler of my 7th house in an *exact* square with Saturn (and see, I married, and divorced, and will probably marry again, so there).
From what I know, Uranus is about rebellion and the unconventional, so I cannot imagine it being good with any kind of conventional arrangement.
And on the other side of it, Uranus/7th can also PUSH for the conventional (marriage) to rebel against its own hesitation, talk itself into doing something which maybe it doesn't want deep down, just because it needs something to rebel against, even if it's oneself. It's rebellion pure and simple.

posted August 27, 2009 04:29 PM         

ummmm......I think you got me mixed up with somebody else.
I didn't post on this thread today until now.
Therefore, I don't deserve to be yelled at.

while I am it, I don't claim to know things. I have learned about things, but the idea of knowledge itself self seems relative. What I "know" is my perception of what I know.
I will state my beliefs,opinions,and views about things but not once did I straight up tell anybody that I am right and others are wrong in anything that I have discussed. Heck...I even suggested to agree to disagree. Eris stuff.

also this was my response to the question on the thread

"I don't know

the same aspects that could indicate being single forever could also possibily indicate being in bad marriages

also..there are some people that believe being single is a good thing. Some people don't believe in marriage and some don't even believe in sex. They might actually have harmonious aspects.

it's very relative."

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 27, 2009 10:29 PM         

Uranus orbits on the ecliptic
transneptunians (that even includes) tend to orbit well off the ecliptic. So astronomically, they are nonconformists. Therefore,it makes sense for th

I believe that a transneptunian in the 7th house might indicate a nonconformist partner if it has aspects involving planets,angles.

The transneptunian dwarf planets aka Plutoids
Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea seem like the exception because of their size.

if Pluto can strongly influence a house that there is no need for aspects , then so could Eris because it's larger than Pluto. Makemake and Haumea are slightly smaller than Pluto,and so they could strongly influence a house without aspects too.

I think Centaurs could too.....because they have highly eccentric orbits...so they are nonconformists. That's why Chiron is viewed as a maverick and not just a wounded healer. So possibly centaurs like Chiron,Pholus,Asbolus,Nessus,Chariklo,other centaurs in 7th house could indicate having a nonconformist partner. I believe that they should be involved in strong aspects though because they are considerably smalled compared to the transneptunians that I mentioned.
Chariklo is the largest of the Centaurs too.

I have Chariklo in 7th,and it trines my Venus.

Chariklo is named after the wife of Chiron.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 27, 2009 10:59 PM         

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Uranus in the 7th can also mean that youre drawn to people who are uranian. I like "rebels." I am perfectly fine with conventional relationships. I never really thought about this before but someone mentioned in another tread that uranus adds a "zap" quality to relationships. I think in my case, thats how uranus plays out for me. I fall hard and fast. And i amnot down with open relationships.

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