posted September 26, 2009 10:48 AM         

I also have Moon & Venus in Pisces in the 6th, with Pisces on the Desc. Tend to find myself in situations where I prop up highly undesirable people psychologically - so am conscious of that, + the need to be selfish. More and more, extricate myself from these situations before I become too deeply entrenched, look at my own true HEARTFELT desires and avoid maintaining a friendship or relationship because of what basically amounts to *NEED* and *GREED*.

posted September 26, 2009 12:52 PM         

i mean maybe she does not want to be pregnant and go threw labour and the pain. theres another indication.

also maybe she cant have kids,or maybe she hasnt found the right suitable person. or this is my favorite one now listen carefully.
maybe she just does not care for kids.

you cant try and guess why one women does not want kids.there are so many reasons why women dont wnat to have kids.

another one bad childhood life not wanting to repeat things with her kids that she went threw. or not having kids of fear of childhood experinces.

posted September 26, 2009 06:15 PM         

That has changed for me now though... granted I'm still very young, but I decided a long time ago that one of the most fulfilling journeys in life for me would be being a mother. I have strong Moon, Ceres, Chiron, Pluto aspects (which may account for this) and Saturn in 5th as well. I had an extremely complicated family and childhood (or lack there-of) and although for many, experiences such as this may have the opposite effect i.e. make motherhood sound revolting and damaging, it makes me want to do it more. But do it right. I feel that life itself is just such an indescribable, phenomenal, amazing experience, and I would like to share it. And to be able to share it with another human being, to me, is the greatest gift life can offer.

One thing concerns me though... I know that Saturn in 5th indicates troubles with children, but could it indicate barrenness as well? Or if not, what other "classical aspects" (as someone mentioned earlier in the thread) would show possibilities of this happening?

posted September 27, 2009 12:40 AM         

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 27, 2009 07:31 AM         

i don't think my oldest daughter wants children, at least until she is well into her 30's as she is all about career after a fwe degrees, which she is working very very hard for..and i keep telling her the more degrees you have the less likely you are to want to rock babies...but I made both of my daughters work with sick kids and or nanny positions so they could understand the non glamourous parts of taking care of children. i was right in assuming it would be effective birth control.

not wanting children of your own in no way means you wouldn't be a wonderful parent, as actually, those who realize the ginormous job it actually is would probobly make the best of parents. i love my children dearly, but there are many times i wish i had stuck to raising flowers.

i think it shows we have come a long way as women to realize having children doesn't define our worth as it did many years ago. not as much about astrological placements as it is about choice and making thought out considered decisions for ourselves that effect the rest of our lives.

posted September 27, 2009 03:19 PM         

What I find interesting is over the years when I have told people this they most often say something to the effect of "Don't worry, youre still young. There's plenty of time to decide. I know a person who didnt have children til their late 30's; early 40's...When you meet the right person, you'll change your mind" etc.

The "right person" has nothing to do with it though.

I'm thinking....didnt they hear me? I said dont want them. Not, "i'm unsure if I do or not." It's not something i'm on the fence about. It's something I've thought long and hard about. They jump to conclusions and think it's because you had a rough childhood or are selfish and dont want to give up your life or are unloving or uncaring. A lot of people still think this is what everyone is supposed to want or do. That they just dont know it yet and will come around eventually and change their mind. As if being a parent is the be all and end all and the main goal of life; the only thing that can make a person truly happy.

The above response is beginning to get really aggravating. Then the judgements and people in their armchairs analyzing this decision need to stop and think or listen a little more closely to why.

posted September 27, 2009 04:11 PM         

I'm suspicious of anyone that continually waxes euphoric about anything. Often they seem to be talking to themselves, convincing themselves of something.

posted September 28, 2009 02:36 AM         

This letter appeared online in the Guardian quite a while ago. It appealed to me because it was well-written, and struck me that she got to the core of the argument on that particular thread. It stands alone though, I think, as an observation.

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I myself wouldn't dream of criticising people who want children for wanting children or people who don't want to children for not wanting them...
I find it very odd how people on both sides are so defensive and even bullying. I know quite a number of people who instead of just enjoying their children, cannot stop taking digs at the childless - sometimes, alas, even at the involuntarily childless - to make the point about how much more fulfilling their own lives are. Similarly, though I think this is rarer, some of the voluntarily childless seem to have an urge to lecture on about how irresponsible it is to have kids and how much better life is without them...
I speculate that since whatever its rewards parenthood is tough, especially for women, some mothers may have a tendency to patronise or attack the childless as a way of ventilating a bit of envy of those still free of the burdens... while conversely people without children may, somewhere, feel that they have missed something important, and that leads them to self-righteous denial. Neither attitude is laudable. People should stop getting at each other, especially on so sensitive and emotive a matter.

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posted September 28, 2009 09:46 AM         

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posted September 28, 2009 06:31 PM         

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I'm suspicious of anyone that continually waxes euphoric about anything. Often they seem to be talking to themselves, convincing themselves of something.

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I have that same feeling, especially when someone is that way about motherhood and pregnancy. Its like: can it really be all love and light? O__o

posted September 29, 2009 02:46 AM         

Is it love and light all the time? Ask your mother!

Off to wake up my kids, they will NOT be delighted to see me, it means they have to get their butts out of bed and go to school!

posted September 29, 2009 04:22 AM         

One of my sons was really sick as a small child. His health worker told me I was lucky, which was a weird comment until she explained that one of her main problems was mothers who weren't really interested in looking after their children. Motherhood wasn't want they thought it was all about and they were disappointed. Not that they would necessarily admit this openly. I found it quite surprising. Regrets about choices could go both ways. What's right for one person, doesn't prove to be so for another, to each their own, etc, etc.

Astrology - my chart has Aries on the cusp of the 5th house. Mars is very active on my chart. It is in a Grand Trine with Uranus, the Sun and ..... Ceres! Yes, I have Sun Conjunct Ceres.

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You probably love to garden, cook and care for those around you.

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http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Sun_Aspects.htm

No, I don't. It's in Gemini. We don't do gardening and cooking. I laughed when I first read this but I soon shut up when I realised the truth behind it. I call and write to people who are on their own because they are widowed, including a relative of mine who is a domesticated Cancerian. I've talked to her a lot on this topic, i.e the different types of caring. I do the kind of caring that involves talking, writing and communicating.