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Topic: Women who don't want children
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T Knowflake Posts: 1250 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 01:32 AM
What in your birth chart do you think makes this so?In mine, for one, an indication is Venus square Moon. IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 1250 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 01:41 AM
This lovely women just came to mind so i pulled up her chartplacements below Stevie Nicks born May 26, 1948 at 3:02 AM in Phoenix (AZ) (USA) Sun in 5°03 Gemini, AS in 18°38 Aries, Moon in 15°01 Capricorn, MC in 11°18 Capricorn Chinese Astrology: Earth Rat Numerology: Birthpath 8 http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/TtW8DXv7Q6GR.htm Sun 5°03' Gemini Moon 15°01' Capricorn Mercury 27°50' Gemini Venus 10°04' Cancer Mars 3°11' Virgo Jupiter 26°29' Я Sagittarius Saturn 17°05' Leo Uranus 25°00' Gemini Neptune 10°23' Я Libra Pluto 12°47' Leo Chiron 20°47' Я Scorpio Ceres 13°31' Gemini Pallas 29°38' Aries Juno 24°53' Pisces Vesta 4°21' Leo Node 13°04' Я Taurus Lilith 23°45' Aquarius Fortune 8°40' Virgo AS 18°38' Aries MC 11°18' Capricorn
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aka Kat Knowflake Posts: 134 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Jun 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 06:45 AM
Ever hear the saying "Make babies or make art?"It may not necessarily be the case that she did not want children, but art was a priority.
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downtomars Knowflake Posts: 513 From: NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 06:50 AM
I don't know, my cousin and I have Moon square Venus and we both want children very much. My aunt has this aspect as well and she had, and wanted to have, my cousin. My sister most definitely does not want (or like) children and she has Moon and Venus in the 5th house so it probably has to do with the overall chart.My sister does have Saturn conjunct AC (sesquiquadrate Moon) which I think contributes to her quite dour view of the world and baby making in particular. IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 831 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 06:53 AM
The reason varies between individuals. So will the aspects and signs. IP: Logged |
Lyra Knowflake Posts: 101 From: London, UK Registered: May 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 09:12 AM
I have Moon and Jupe CJ Venus and have never wanted children - but this is because of my parents' turbulent marriage (actually I was very upset about this as a child but we won't go into that). I am thankfully very artistic/creative and figured I wanted to do more with that side of myself instead. I do wonder sometimes what it would have been like if I'd opted to have children, but although I've come across men I loved, I would never have wanted to have children with them in a million years, because they just weren't cut out for it. (Perhaps I chose them subconsciously?) IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 11:17 AM
isn't moon/uranus considered to indicate non-traditional outlook on mothering/ having kids? i know i have moon tr uranus (uranus is in house 5!). also moon opp mercury, head vs heart...although once i fell pregnant nothing would have stopped me having my daughter, and i have never regretted her for a minute - i never actively wanted kids and wasn't sure what i would do if i did get pregnant, which i had been told was unlikely (infection in tubes at 18)...and though i was pregnant twice afterwards, never even wanted those other kids who didn't happen anyway... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1477 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 11:17 AM
Wouldn't kids be associated with Mercury? It could also possibly be aspects to the 5th house ruler.IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 1250 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 11:53 AM
Thanks for the replies.Yeah, akaKat Ive heard that one. I think I remember Stevie saying in an interview that her art was more important to her and she just never wanted them. I dont want them for many reasons. I remember reading years ago that this Venus/Moon aspect often indicated someone not interested in having children. It also points to your relationship with your mother and what that was like. And of course to dynamics within yourself. It's not that I wouldnt be a good mother, I just dont want to be OR to go through pregnancy and giving birth. Also wouldnt want to bring a person into this world in it's given state. Katatonic, that sounds about right. Uranus doesnt aspect my moon, but it is conjunct my MC. I think this could be true for Sun-Uranians too. Ag, Yeah, i think you could look to Merc and definitely the 5th house. That's where my Venus is (5th house ruler is Mercury), mutual recepting Merc in Taurus, Merc conj Chiron. IP: Logged |
Yin Knowflake Posts: 619 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 12:25 PM
From a very young age I have known that I don't want any children. All the reasons listed here and more are valid for me.BTW Venus makes no aspect to Moon 11th house Cappie Mercury opposing 5th house rJupiter in Cancer (bingo!) IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 1250 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 12:36 PM
Interesting Yin. & i've got a long list here too. IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 1250 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 12:38 PM
this is spot onMoon square or opposition Venus (i notice Stevie has the opposition) Because these people value harmony, they may find themselves giving in to others too easily, especially in the first half of life. Resentment is possible, as they feel that they are the ones who seem to do all the acquiescing. There can be a distinct tendency to become friends (and lovers) with people too readily, simply because there is a strong need for approval and a hunger for receiving affection. As such, these people may get involved with people who seem to really like them, and they don't consider whether they actually like them back! It's somewhat of a weakness, as these people are very charmed by the idea that someone seems to really like them and appreciate them. Generally, one of life's lessons for these people is to learn to discriminate more and to get in touch with what they truly want and need. The functions of the Moon (which rules the emotions and feelings, amongst other things) and the functions of Venus (which rules social relationships, harmony, and partnership, amongst other things) are at cross-purposes. When these people attempt to feed the needs of one function, it is often at the expense of the other, until they find some sort of balance. This can play out in a variety of ways. For example, there can be conflicts in partnerships about parenting or whether or not to have a family. They can find themselves compromising their own emotional needs in order to find and keep love. Peace and harmony are important to these people--perhaps too much so, as they can easily be taken advantage of. Insecurity is something that these people need to deal with at some point in their lives. Very sensual, people with Moon in hard aspect to Venus sometimes replace love with food or shopping! They are also usually quite sexually active and sometimes quite lustful. They are usually skilled in the arts. There is a distinct lazy streak. Most are able to work hard, but they truly appreciate luxuriating and enjoying as many pleasures as possible, and self-discipline simply isn't always at their disposal! Some Famous People with the Moon in Hard Aspect to Venus: Squares - Katie Holmes, Don Johnson, O.J. Simpson, Dwight Yoakam, Alice Cooper, Greta Garbo (the aspect is exact) ; Oppositions - James Caan, Al Pacino, Bono (U2), John Travolta. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonvenusaspects.html IP: Logged |
todd Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Baghdad by the Bay Registered: Jun 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 01:51 PM
i have found that saturn in the 5th house realte to not wanting children.todd IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 198 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 02:22 PM
Todd, I have Saturn in 5th and I've ALWAYS wanted children!! I really love to play the role of care-taker and would especially enjoy being a parent...However, I've heard that Saturn in 5th can indicate difficulty having children... as in infertility? Have you found this to be the case? IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1524 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 02:41 PM
my mother has Saturn in 5th house,and she wanted children.She was forced to give up her firsborn child (my half-brother) because she had him when she was 15. She had me at 17 years old after she ran away from home shortly after she had her son. My father was 13 years older than her. She has retrograde 7th/8th house ruler Saturn in Scorpio in 5th trine 6th/9th house Jupiter in Cancer in 1st and sextile retrograde 5th ruler Mars-North Lunar Node conjunction in 7th which opposes Jupiter.
She also has chart ruler Moon in Scorpio in 5th square Pluto in Leo in 2nd, trine Mercury-Venus-Uranus in Cancer in 3rd.
her father also had Moon and Saturn in 5th like my mother. He loved children. He kept my mother after my mom's biological mother tried to give up my mom for adoption. My mom's mother disappeared without a trace,and so my mom only knew her father. My maternal grandmother was just an egg donor to my mom Nothing else. He had 4 other children with his 2nd wife who was his lifelong partner unlike mom's mother that was only with him for less than a year. He has Saturn in Pisces in 5th oppose Neptune in 11th. His Moon in Pisces in 5th trine Pluto-South Lunar Node conjunction in 9th. 5th house ruler Jupiter is in Scorpio in 1st trine Saturn in Pisces in 5th square Venus-Ceres-Midheaven conjunction in Leo in 10th in both cases, Saturn in 5th house meant responsibilities,strictness involving the children.
my mother was very strict,controlling with me. even abusive also, my mother had hysterectomy when she was 23 years old because she had cervical cancer. Therefore,she was unable to reproduce after that.
Raymond
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todd Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Baghdad by the Bay Registered: Jun 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 04:15 PM
thanks for the added insights as my evaluation was only made by the charts of two women i knew well.both had the 5th house placement and didn't want children.i agree that classically the saturn in the 5th placement has to do with hardship with children. toddIP: Logged |
LuvinU Knowflake Posts: 42 From: Jersey Registered: Jun 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 04:39 PM
I didn't think of wanting children or of having a serious relationship until Pluto made its way to my 5th house making contact with my sun and mercury years ago. It's still in my 5th house, of course. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 04:54 PM
i don't think you need to have "afflictions" of any kind to not want kids! as T pointed out, it's a crazy world and parenting is one tough assignment! not everyone is suited to it and the BIG PROBLEM is how few people realize that! my mom had saturn in 5th and one of her chief ambitions in life was to be a mother...i think traditional astrology did however have some positions/aspects that were supposed to indicate "barrenness" ie inability to have kids... IP: Logged |
scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 165 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 10:23 PM
I've always thought and read that not wanting children is usually signified by moon square or oppose saturn. Me and my sister both have the square and we are Both like this. It can also indicate eating disorders too. I've battled bulemia and my sis is an overeater on a large scale, she's literally addicted to food.IP: Logged |
Unmoved Moderator Posts: 884 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 10:38 PM
I'm not particularly interested in having children, and I would go as far as saying that I might be avoiding it currently. I don't particularly want to be a mother, and I especially am repelled by the idea of being pregnant. I will probably get used to the idea one day, but I doubt it.I feel better making art. My Moon/MC conjunction is square my: Saturn Pluto Mercury (loose orb) My Venus is square Uranus. My Sun is square Neptune.(4) IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1524 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2009 11:15 PM
whole sign house system chart: My Moon in Pisces in 7th squares the opposition of retrograde 5th house ruler Saturn in Gemini in 10th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd,and I would like to have children.therefore, I am not sure if hard Moon-Saturn aspects indicate not wanting to have children. My 12th house ruler Sun in Scorpio trine Moon too. Maybe that modifies it quite a bit. I would love to be married and have children. That's something that I always wanted too. Raymond
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2006 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 26, 2009 12:03 AM
well i'm a moon opp saturn with kids...my own AND hers, though i am learning to be more of a granma to him and less of a nanny...i think like a lot of things there are any number of aspects, patterns that can manifest as lack of children or desire for them, once again the whole chart will influence the "native". IP: Logged |
lionseye*** Knowflake Posts: 207 From: edmonton, ab. ca Registered: May 2009
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posted September 26, 2009 01:44 AM
Hello, Leo here. I just wanted to chime in with my story. I'm a Leo, many times over, with Leo sun, mars, venus, & mercury.... Ok, so I did not want kids, at least not for a long time. I grew up in a family with a) me and me older sister till we were 10 & 8 (I was the 8 year old) and then my mom had another baby..and two years later she had yet another baby! My older sister was a loose cannon and a wild one, so I became the responsible one in the family, after my parents split up, and my mom went through a second childhood, or teenage-hood may be more accurate. When my mom left my dad, my older sister stayed with my dad, not surprising, being that they are both Taurus's. My Taurus sister went to hell & back to try to get my parents back together, and she alienated everyone and broke her own heart in the process. Eventually she accepted it.. but that is neither here nor there.... So anyway, after all this crap and drama while I was growing up, I decided I did not want kids. I knew what it was all about, the demands, the inconveniences, the stigma...the demands! And then I found myself pregnant at 20. Future uncertain, dad-guy questionable, financial outlook shaky....but I went ahead with it, based on nothing but optimism...and never looked back. Never had any regrets. Sure, I've missed some sleep, and a few parties, but I've gained 1000% more. I just can't even consider my life before kids. It was very empty and full of searching....for what I don't know...? Anyway, I recommend you parent with a responsible & willing dad if possible. But if not, just go ahead without. You will never live to regret it. ..If you are over 20 and have income and a support system that is....Assuming you find yourself preggers by accident. Not suggesting you go out and get knocked up today..M-kay???? IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 652 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 26, 2009 01:58 AM
Pluto in the 5th house may cause complexities regarding children issues.Some women maybe don't want children due to other ideals/issues/complexities. I think the decision to not have children is not always an easy one. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 1531 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted September 26, 2009 03:13 AM
It's so hard to consider a single aspect. Some women say they don't want kids, and then one day do and go, 'Oh my god, I had no idea how happy that could make me.' And then on the other end of the spectrum you'd got other women who just have kids without even thinking whether or not they want them lol I wanna say that the moon stuff would be important since it has to do with nurturing. But it's also about the mother. If your relationship with your mother is crap, maybe it makes you not want kids (I know for me it's been a sore subject for some time). But then some women heal their mother issues when they have their own children... so who knows? I don't know about Venus - she feels so impersonal to me, sort of like the feminine principle, objectified. Venus isn't about being preggers (well, unless she can use that for seduction LOL)...I just don't see her within the sphere of having kids... she's got the equipment to have them , but I don't feel astrologically in a woman's chart she would necessarily be a determining factor. I want to say look at the 5th house, but the 5th is like the Ah-Screw-It-Just-Put-Random-Things-Here house (romance, gambling, arts, fun and games and kids....wtf lol..actually, the 6th house is worse as far as random stuff). So what can you do? I also want to say look at the 4th house.
What about Ceres? I feel she's pretty much about the mothering principle to an extent. Ceres and the Moon maybe? IP: Logged |