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Topic: Swiss arrest Polanski on US request in sex case
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Choc
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posted September 27, 2009 07:39 PM
 
No he did not serve time. He went to a state prison in order to get a 90-day psychiatric evaluation. He never did proper jail time.
He was not convicted, he made a plea bargain, he then went to Europe and never came back.There are people out there that commit lesser crimes and get a lot more jail time. Anyway.. If he had just stayed in the US, served proper time and appealed for misconduct he could've been through all this insanity a long long time ago. Instead he will probably die in prison. The sheer stupidity in this thread astounds me. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted September 27, 2009 07:40 PM
I will curb my venom when you do. Your first postes are full of venom and rage, go reread them and try to see why some people took such an offense. I think you do not fully realize how you come off to others.IP: Logged |
Choc
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posted September 27, 2009 07:41 PM
Oh scrappydog, don't bother with them anymore.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 27, 2009 07:44 PM
choc, you may not like the sentence he got but that was what he got. in america the court is not supposed to CHANGE THEIR MIND AFTER THE FACT. period. case dismissed, or should have been.he plead guilty to ONE part of the charges. NONE OF US WAS THERE AND NONE OF US KNOWS IF THE GIRL WAS LOOKING FOR MONEY, ATTENTION, OR SCARED BECAUSE HER PARENTS THOUGHT SHE WAS A TRAMP. MAYBE SHE WAS FORCED BUT I DON"T SEE ANGELICA HUSTON SITTING AROUND SAYING NOTHING ABOUT THAT...MAYBE SHE WAS AFRAID TO SAY NO AND AFRAID TO SAY SO AFTERWARDS. the points are 1) we are not the judge and jury and don't know the facts 2) this case was tried already. a plea bargain was accepted and then reneged on. guilt and innocence aren't even at issue here. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 27, 2009 07:44 PM
well if justice is wanted let's think about the survivor. she in an article posted this wk, if to be believed as its press after all, states that she'd like the case to go away as she is now a grown woman in her mid-40s, married, and with children, she has sued, won money for damages incurred, dealt with the trauma in her own way and would like to move on. her and the family have been given no relief as the story keeps popping up in the media every so often. putting myself in her shoes i would want it to go away as well. it's a story of embarrassing magnitude to the judicial system, so im assuming that theyre just looking after their interests, and how they see the law, and not that of the older survivor and what she feels are in her best interests considering the time that has passed. if i were the judicial authority i would drop it. it sounds like she's been in exile all these years as well.IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted September 27, 2009 07:54 PM
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He's a brilliant filmmaker who is able to glean a great deal into the darkness of the psyche.
Well, I agree that the whole case was badly, badly bungled, and I personally believe that there's no appropriate way to handle it now in any direction. BUT, that said--there are many brilliant artists of all genres who don't have forced sex with tweens.
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Lara
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posted September 27, 2009 07:56 PM
Yes, Angelica Houston is no flake. I know her brother and from what i've seen, Angelica is a woman who tells it like it is. She certainly wouldn't protect Polanski over her own word.IP: Logged |
neptuneinfirst
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posted September 27, 2009 08:01 PM
Taking everything else out of the equation and the emotion included, if nothing else, this will help him take responsibility for and finally face up to his inner issues which he clearly avoided facing in the 70's, even if it is late on in his life. His victim seems evolved enough to let bygones be bygones, the lady is now a grown woman with her own family. Perhaps this is a karmic lesson he is being pushed to learn in this lifetime, i.e. his karma to face up to his issues, his crimes, his inner demons. His karma will be resolved in its own way, no-one else can be the judge of that. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted September 27, 2009 08:10 PM
I find Angelica's take--that the girl seemed glum and looked old, so therefore Polanski's choice to drug her and f#@K her four different ways was a-okay--to be really misguided.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted September 27, 2009 08:28 PM
Yeah, but it was the 70's, Lucia. I mean, what would you have him do now? Get put in the slammer? The point isn't whether he screwed up or not - he obviously did - but how to set it 'right'. How can he be made to 'pay' for his mistakes? It's just odd to me, to think of some kind of conventional punishment for this kind of thing in general - it doesn't work, and never has. Plus with so much time gone by, it seems surreal to make him pay in some conventional way.
I still think he should do a film about young female victims of sexual assault  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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posted September 27, 2009 08:41 PM
MVM ~ quote:
I still think he should do a film about young female victims of sexual assault
I think that's sublime in a Clockwork-Orange sort of way  IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted September 27, 2009 08:55 PM
LOL MVM! Clockwork Orange is iconic IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted September 27, 2009 09:15 PM
Whatever works, I say IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted September 27, 2009 09:28 PM
genius!IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted September 28, 2009 12:41 AM
Where are people getting these delusions that he actually served time? 
I don't care how old he is and I have NO personal issues to project but I believe EVERYONE needs to take responsibility for their actions and living it up in Europe for all these years is not sufficient enough in my eyes, and apparently the authorities' eyes as well. He's too old? Thats too bad, he should've thought about that before his punk a-- ran out on the charges the first time.
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blue moon
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posted September 28, 2009 02:23 AM
Glaucus, was Eris transiting your chart when you threw this apple out?
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Choc
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posted September 28, 2009 02:39 AM
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Where are people getting these delusions that he actually served time?
I don't care how old he is and I have NO personal issues to project but I believe EVERYONE needs to take responsibility for their actions and living it up in Europe for all these years is not sufficient enough in my eyes, and apparently the authorities' eyes as well. He's too old? Thats too bad, he should've thought about that before his punk a-- ran out on the charges the first time.
Exactly.
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I find Angelica's take--that the girl seemed glum and looked old, so therefore Polanski's choice to drug her and f#@K her four different ways was a-okay--to be really misguided.
Yeah, let's all blame the victim, shall we..
Oh wait, it's Anjelica Houston, she ain't no flake, therefore her opinion is valid.IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 28, 2009 02:41 AM
There's a transiting retrograde Mercury in Virgo quincunx transiting retrograde Eris in Aries right now. so the news of this arrest can lead to controversy. So many people in the world could argue with each other if it was right or wrong for Polanski to be arrested.It's in a yod with my 2nd/9th house ruler Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd too. Transiting Eris in my 8th and transiting Mercury in my 1st. any ways....I thought that transiting Saturn exactly conjunct his 1st/8th house ruler Venus in 12th was very interesting and fits with his arrest and the nature of it. It's very interesting how old things catch up to a person during hard Saturn transits. It was only natural for me to strongly suspect that he has one going on right now. The Jupiter transits when he fled make sense too.....especially when you compare transiting Jupiter square his Venus-Jupiter in 12th when he fled USA to transiting Saturn conjunct his Venus-Jupiter in 12th when he got arrested. Transiting Varuna conjunct his Moon also fits with his interesting with Varuna having to do with judgment,justice.
interestingly, transiting Saturn is conjuncting my Juno in 26'16 Virgo and transiting Varuna is exactly trine my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio right now. nothing really major going on right now with me. I am not in any relationship right now either. Therefore nothing positive nor negative when it comes to relationships.
I also find it interesting
that transiting Saturn is conjunct transiting Makemake
according to Philip Sedgwick
the negative keywords for Makemake:
Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/ Transiting Saturn-Makemake is conjuncting Polanski's conjunction of Draconic Sun,natal Venus-Jupiter conjunction in 12th that could indicate the karmic issues of taking flight to avoid consequence Transiting Saturn in 26'18 Virgo
Transiting Makemake is in 25'31 Virgo
With Makemake being transneptunian dwarf planet, it has to do with evolutionary intensified evolutionary lessons
Raymond
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MyVirgoMask
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posted September 28, 2009 03:03 AM
lol Blue Moon. I was wondering the same thing.IP: Logged |
Agent_009
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posted September 28, 2009 03:19 AM
I love Polanski's films especially, "the pianist." I feel sorry for him, and I understand both sides of this debate. However, I would have to say...76 or not, this is a good thing the law is laying the smack down on him.If you look at the big picture, Polanski's story isnt just about him...but this is a lesson to all of Hollywood in general. I've seen first hand how corrupt the higher ups usually are...directors/producers/actors. This should send out a message to them they arent gods and cant do whatever the hell they please. ALOT of abuse goes on, especially towards women working in film...just people dont talk about it. For example if you get sexually harassed on set (this happens to me all the time)...yes, you could report it to the union and they will "pretend," to do something about it. Truth is, it'll ruin YOUR OWN reputation instead for reporting the injustice done upon you. Film people almost expect trading of sex/sleeping to the top/harassments to happen...and see it as no big deal. You reporting it just gives yourself a bad repp for being "that girl," who stirs **** up. It's a small tight knit community, word would spread and no one would want you on the next movie. Fact is, everyone wants to be friends & protect the higher trinity of dir/prod/actors, (whether they agree with their actions or not). It's a known fact people like Dir. Michael Bay gets away with this kind of crap all the time. They might feel bad for like few seconds, but if they really feel that badly about it...why do they keep abusing young girls?? It's also an ego trip for them, if you cant bed lots of hot young actresses...your not a real bonified director/producer. The way I see it, the only solution to minimize this problem is if more of the rich'n famous get busted by the law....and also if more women would enter film as producers/directors. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 28, 2009 03:51 AM
I checked out his secondary progressions during his arrest in SwitzerlandI am using the whole sign house system
Progressed Moon in 11'38 Taurus in his 8th
square natal retrograde Saturn in 12'06 Aquarius in 5th seems to indicate a time of feeling restricted and limited as well as karmic dues,reality checks involving children. With 8th house involved, sexual matters is of focus.
progressed Ascendant in 8'26 Sagittarius in his 3rd
square natal Neptune in 9'21 Virgo in 12th
sesquiquadrate natal Pluto in 10th - '28 applying
fits with matters of deception,confusion,victimization and institutions (12th house rules jails,prison) as well as transformation,upheaval in his career Transiting Venus was conjunct his natal Neptune in 12th and square his progressed Ascendant,and that seems to fit with the nature of his arrest progressed Venus in 25'23 Sagittarius
square natal 3rd/6th house ruler Jupiter in 25'16 Virgo in 12th
square natal 1st/8th house Venus in 26'14 Virgo in 12th fits with a time of karmic issues in regards to intimacy,sex,values,judgment,travel,expansion Transiting Saturn-Makemake is squaring the progressed Venus and conjuncting the natal Venus-Jupiter so his secondary progression picture has been triggered by Saturn-Makemake transit,and so in synchronicity of the event of being arrested after 30 years of fleeing US custody.
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progressed Sun in 9'37 Scorpio in 2nd
square his progressed direct Saturn in 10'00 Aquarius in 5th could indicate a time of restricted,limited self expression,vitality,ego, could also indicate sexual karmic issues involving children....especially with the Sun progressed in Scorpio, sexual matters are highlighted. 2nd house, security is involved. restricted security right now. progressed Mercury
semisquare natal Sedna in 7th - '28 applying could indicate thoughts of being the victim. natally, he has Sedna in 7th oppose Ascendant with 2'44 orb and square Midheaven with 1'24 orb, and so that can indicate a strong victim theme. His Sedna parallel Juno with 6 minutes of arc and contraparallel Venus with 27 minutes of arc can indicate love,relationships involving victimization like how his wife was murderered. His Sedna in 7th oppose Ascendant can indicate that too.
Raymond
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DD
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posted September 28, 2009 07:10 AM
Glaucus started this thread to demonstrate how clearly transits including the Transneptunian work, even after a long time.
So it was an ASTROLOGICAL thread to begin with.I think this discussion is not at the right place in an astroforum. I do not want to read it here!
I want to read astrological ideas, interpretations or experiences that are backed up with astrological symbols, as this is the ASTROFORUM. So could you get this discussion over to LL central please? EDIT:
Glaucus, I just saw your astrological posts after I have sent mine. Hopefully people will actually start discussing astrology on an astroforum now.
Just in case someone wonders about my transits.
Tr Pholus conjunct NN - 34
Tr Eris squares Vertex - 10
Tr Sedna sextiles Vertex - 23
Tr Varuna conjunct Vertex - 20
Tr Mars conjunct Vertex - 1-09
Tr Jupiter conjunct Moon - 25
Tr Saturn square Sun - 23
Tr Uranus square Mercury - 51
Tr Chiron quinkunx Vertex - 18
Which made me notice something; current planetary placements of:
Eris: 21°38 Aries
Sedna:21°51 Taurus
Varuna:21°48 Cancer
Mars: 20°19 Cancer
Chiron:21°46 Aquarius
Only Mars and Varuna are not retograde. Glaucus, what does that mean?
That things will get even more heated, as Mars is approaching 21 degrees?
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neptuneinfirst
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posted September 28, 2009 07:39 AM
What I was saying about his karma fits with what Glaucus mentioned earlier. It looks like he tried to escape but he hasn't - from an astrological standpoint it looks like Saturn and Chiron have played a part in this. Glaucus, transting Chiron is also slowly approaching a conjunction with his NN, this could possibly be reopening old wounds. He also has double whammy (though not exact) transiting Jupiter conjunct his Saturn and transiting Saturn conjunct his Jupiter. Magi Astrology (whether you believe / follow their research or not) mention this as the Nuclear clash. I also notice that natally he has asteroid Lust conjunct (albeit a wide orb) his natal Chiron.
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DD
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posted September 28, 2009 07:48 AM
I always thought that only the opposition, square, quinkunx and contraparallel between Saturn and Jupiter was considered a Nuclear Clash,e vent hough the linkage is not that much better.Anyway, Magi or not, I feel that Jupiter and Saturn both have to do with law and justice. IP: Logged |
neptuneinfirst
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posted September 28, 2009 08:10 AM
DD -According to Magi, I quote 'Saturn and Jupiter are such opposites that in some cases, even if the two planets are in a MAGIcal Angle, they form a Nuclear Clash'. With his Chiron transit to his North Node thrown into the equation, the theme is that he is having to face his past, and with the prevailing theme of justice, for his own karmic good. IP: Logged |
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