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scrappydog
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posted October 16, 2009 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think this can be seen in the natal?? I have known lots of beautiful and sexy libra and taurean ascendents, But just as many ugly ones too I believe. What about venus conjunct or trine the asc and/or sun? Angelina jolie had venus conj the asc and a beautiful friend of mine has venus trine it exact. Also the two most beautiful girls I know personally both have sun conj venus closely.

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posted October 16, 2009 05:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the supposed beauty aspects like Sun and Venus on my Ascendant..but..

I am ugly as sin O.o;;, I think it has to do with genetics, also what people are attracted to. X_X

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posted October 16, 2009 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen some unattractive Venus/Sun people.
Venus on the ascendant in conjunction or opposition is supposed to make for good looks too, but... well. You don't really believe everything you read, do you?

Cheshire, you're lovely from what I have seen ..a knock-out.

It's true that genetics and personal taste have a lot to do with it as well.

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posted October 16, 2009 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheshire Kat- ugly? Have you seen yourself?

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blue moon
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posted October 16, 2009 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the archives are threads on this subject, often hilarious, where people extol their own beauty.

My brother has Venus CNJ Ascendant, I have the opposition. Same Venus sign. Same Sun Sign as well. You would pick him out of a room of men as being my brother. He got the looks.

But I do hope there is more to us than a beauty competition. Venus on the angles is more about social interaction, in my view.

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letram
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posted October 16, 2009 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it might be, but you know what, some people can be hotties with probably bad charts for looks, and vice versa.

if some one's a hottie, then they are a hottie.

if the shoe fits then wear it, situation.

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posted October 16, 2009 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
C'mon, personal taste has nothing to do with beauty.

Beauty is universal. One or two people who don't find you beautiful won't suddenly make you ugly, or stop you reaping the rewards of having a beautiful face.

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posted October 16, 2009 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good looks do come down to personal taste, but there is certainly Beautiful people, and well.. the not so beautiful.

one of my favorites is..


The Good , The Bad, and The Ugly!

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Diana
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posted October 16, 2009 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also agree venus/AC is always about charm and social grace. It is sometimes about good looks, but not always. It may depend on the sign of venus and its aspects.

I want to ask a question here and see what you all think. I am changing my appearance this year, something that needs to be done, but that I've been putting off. Well, someone in this thread mentioned sun conjunct venus. I had never heard of this being a beauty aspect. I have it in my upcoming SR, and I am wondering if that is a good omen for what I plan to do? Any thoughts, or is it only in the natal that this applies?

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posted October 16, 2009 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard Venus conjunct the midheaven and the venus in the 7th house give beauty. I think Saturn in the first may gave amazing bone structure if coupled with traditional signs of beauty like Venus in the first or Venus conjunct ascendant.

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posted October 16, 2009 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scrappydog: i know a man who has venus conjunct ascendant with venus in the 1st house and yeah...talk about being blessed by genetics and god and lord knows who else. you know those people who are just so beautiful looking that you just glance and you're just taken aback. a lot of people are good looking or pretty or cute, but then there's those people who can stop traffic they just stand out so much.

not trying to say anything about myself but i'm often told by people that i have a beautiful face but i can sometimes see it and sometimes can't. i'm like those diamonds in a rough is how i feel. so for that guy i mentioned above it wouldn't matter what day it is, what angle, what time, what he's wearing...everyone can agree that he's hands down omg in the looks department

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posted October 16, 2009 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what type of features make somebody physically beautiful though?


I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I think that it depends on the culture
also time periods too.

for instance, there was a reason why Miss Black America pageant was created. There was too much of the white woman ideal of beauty for black women to be considered in Beauty pageants. In 1984, Vanessa Williams became the first black Miss America. However, she wasn't the average looking one. She is defintely mixed with tan skin,brown hair,and green eyes. even the runner-up,Suzette Charles was mixed black-white.
also there was a focus on "good hair" and "bad hair" when it came to black people's hair. If the hair was tight kinky,it was seen as bad hair. If the hair wasn't tight kinky,it was seen as good hair.

The thin nose that many whites have tend to be viewed as more attractive than the broad noses that many blacks have.


certain aspects can be tricky.

there are lot of people that are considered highly attractive but have serious relationship issues. so do their Venus have mixed aspects or what?


shrugs


Some people are highly attractive and consider themselves ugly. That's called dysmorphia. They focus on a nonexistent or small flaw in their appearance and they see it as something big that makes them look ugly.


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posted October 16, 2009 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I remember someone mentioning Moon conjunct Venus being one aspect in the chart of beautiful people (I forget how they came to that conclusion). I may be pretty in my own way (at times), but I'm not beautiful. I don't look good at all in most photographs.. I used to receive all kinds of cat calls, but I think that was down to my long legs (that no longer look so long), and rather large chest. I also thought that I was ugly, and that they were just teasing, not serious. I've had guys go goopy over me, once they *knew* me, but never beforehand (that I'm aware of). My Venus squares Mars, sextiles Jupiter, trines Pluto, and is inconjunct Uranus/ascendant.

My sister, on the other hand, has always been a head-turner; guys tend to go all goopy over her. She's a Capricorn Sun, Pisces Moon & ascendant, with Venus in Aquarius opposing Saturn...

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posted October 16, 2009 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stopandstare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
glaucus: if we're talking about trying to be objective in terms of beauty, then it's having a symmetrical face. symmetry tends to equal good looking or at least pleasing to the eye.

and yes vanessa williams parents are both 1/2 white. i'm mixed as well. asian with european ancestry. there was a study about eurasian beauty in terms of the science of it, but let's not go there...

teasel: i have moon conjunct venus in gemini both in the 10th house. alright now i have proof i'm beautiful! hahahaha

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posted October 16, 2009 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My conjunction is also in Gemini. Nice to meet you.
*edit (And you probably are beautiful, with Venus in the tenth. Me? Not so much, although I was a cute kid, up until a certain age. I just don't see it in myself.)

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letram
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posted October 16, 2009 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus, i agree with what you're saying.

although i still think beauty is objective but it is also subjective. but overall on the basic level, its objective. and i don't think its specifically features 100%.

i think its an 'overall'

a great feature on a face outweighed by non great features, doesn't make the whole face great does it? it is a battle between objective and subjective here.

but what proves that beauty is objective definitely, is that there is such a thing as a person Being quite ugly, and a person being Quite Good looking, easily to the point where even some one with personal taste can clearly see the difference.

i think when beauty starts to get into different leagues of beauty (as does how ugly people can be to one another) it turns more subjective! aka beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

does what im saying make sense?

some very attractive people can have overall a very attractive face, but still have the odd feature that is Not attractive at all, or even to be considered an Ugly feature.

thats why things like nose jobs exist. (i think)

And iv seen some very nice faces on here, and couple of those have a less than particularly nice nose (as an example) amongst the overall beauty they have!

not mentioning any names ofc.. Lol

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posted October 16, 2009 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant to mention above, that I know of people who think that Angelina Jolie is ugly (I'm not one of them).

(I tried to find the thread I mentioned, but can't find it... maybe it wasn't here, after all. I could have sworn it was here at LL. I found this old thread, though... Venus/Neptune was mentioned several times, as I skimmed.)

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posted October 16, 2009 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for savanna20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus is not all about physical beauty though. Venus adds that charming personality which is attractive to some.

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posted October 16, 2009 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for linking that thread teasel

my jaw dropped when i saw this photo LOL

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posted October 16, 2009 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is possible to see physical beauty in the natal chart, though it is not guaranteed.

In vanessa Williams'case, she has Uranus and Pluto making sextile to her cancer ascendant, lending her electric charm and smoldering sex appeal.

She has Venus conjunct Saturn, not exactly beauty queen aspect, but is happening in Aqua so Saturn is comfy there and she has been able to utilize her beauty in a shrewed and unusual way.

She also has a Sun/Jupiter conjunction, so she will be overall lucky and will manage to come out on top of whatever life throws her.

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posted October 16, 2009 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anicia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus/Mars on my ASC (1&2 degree conjunction) + they trine Uranus

I've heard numerous times that I "look" stuck up..whatever that means.

The two most beautiful girls I know have their 12th house Suns conjunct their Libra Ascendants.

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posted October 16, 2009 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Letram,

who is that girl? She's so pretty.

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letram
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posted October 16, 2009 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"KATE09"

she posted her pic in that topic teasel linked.

"here i am- Aquarius sun, Aries moon, Libra rising."

her placements.

she is isn't she?

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posted October 16, 2009 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but some people are blessed physically and some are not, the hard facts of life. I've always been a head turner,I've even attracted multiple stalkers in my 29 years, but I have no self confidence and I see the most minor flaws in myself as horrendous and I think everyone else will notice too, despite the fawning I recieve from some men. I think this is the dismorphia or whatever glaucus mentioned. I have to be perfect or I'm not good enough in my eyes. I'm a taurus rising with chiron in 1st conj asc oppose mercury in scorp, Also forms a t square with my nn in leo in my 4th. Maybe this is karmic? In books I read on chiron a couple different astrologers stated chiron in 1st will feel wounded about their appearance if it is not perfect and named beautiful people with this position who were soo insecure over the most minor flaw.

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posted October 16, 2009 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

shrugs

I still think that it really depends on what one perceives is beautiful though. perceptions are relative.

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