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Lara
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posted January 13, 2010 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, does anyone else see a correlation between this Earthquake in Haiti and Saturn turning retrograde today PLUS the solar eclipse in Saturn/Cappy?

I think it's a tragedy and it upsets me a lot and yet i can't help but think that Nature and the Universe are handing out Karmic disasters at the moment. I am wondering who is next actually.

At the time of the earthquake the moon was conjunct the Galactic Center. Retrograde Mars in 2nd house opposing exact Nessus.

Haiti's chart which i can't post cos i'm on my iphone is for 1st jan 1804 at 7am in gonaives, Haiti.

It has saturn AC and T saturn cj N saturn. T pluto cj N mars. T saturn sq N mars.

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posted January 13, 2010 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yes

I thought Stationary Retrograde Saturn figured into the eclipse but not necessarily to connecting it to the Capricorn placements.

but I believe that is even more to it, looking at aspects

I found that there could be other connections


I had a hunch that maybe the Solar Eclipse might be connected to Haiti through
Haumea and the dwarf planet candidate/plutino 2003 AZ84


Haiti
Jan 1, 1804
using noon

Sun in 10’09 Capricorn
conjunct Haumea in 10’52 Capricorn
square Orcus in 10’31 Capricorn


Mercury in 18’11 Capricorn
square Varuna in 19’08 Libra


Jupiter in 2’10 Scorpio
square Eris in 2’06 Aquarius

In Right Ascension:
Sun in 11’03 Capricorn
conjunct Haumea in 11’03 Capricorn
trine 2003 AZ84 in 11’06 Virgo

The Solar Eclipse

2003 AZ84 in 24’39 Cancer
oppose Solar Eclipse in 25’01 Capricorn
oppose Venus in 25’50 Capricorn


In Right Ascension:
Haumea in 26’48 Libra
square Sun in 26’57 Capricorn
square Moon in 26’53 Capricorn
square Venus in 28’00 Capricorn


I can’t helping thinking that the Solar Eclipse square Haumea, Solar Eclipse
oppose AZ84 has a connection with Haiti


2003 AZ84 was discovered on January 13, 2003. Today is the 7th year anniversary
of its discovery, and the earthquake in Haiti happened the day before the
anniversary. Saturn is now stationary retrograde.
Haumea goes stationary retrograde the day after the Solar Eclipse


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posted January 13, 2010 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yikes Raymond, THAT is interesting... wow.

It is all intertwined, but that anniversary and Saturn going retrograde is just spookily accurate.

I have had this extreme Karmic feeling over me for the last 2 days now and it's really irritating me.. it's like people from the dead hovering over me and haunting me.

These aspects confirm the heaviness of the karma, especially seeing as Haiti is such a black magic country!!!

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posted January 13, 2010 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yeah...very interesting stuff

with those 2 big transneptunians involved, evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences.

2003 AZ84 is similar to Pluto astronomically with it being a plutino (2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune),and so should be astronogically similar as well. It could figure into transformation,death.


There is a lot of corruption in Haiti.

I feel really bad for the country though with so many killed,suffering,and going through bad things.

maybe the earthquake will serve as wake-up call for there to be change for the better there.


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posted January 13, 2010 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes i agree... i think it will serve as a wake-up call and the attention will be global... just look at how many UN personnel are missing, etc.

This tragic event has the ability to change that part of the world forever i think.

I have been to Haiti and i have to say i've never been so scared in all my life. The first night i was there i saw a guy get necklaced on the street and i just cried and cried that whole night. It was horrible.
The whole vibe there is just so dense and negative, if you are a sensitive person. I couldn't wait to leave.

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posted January 13, 2010 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
with pluto in capricorn im surprised that there havent been more large earthquakes, to me that combo screams major natural disaster. maybe it needs stronger aspects..of course its still in the baby degrees.

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posted January 14, 2010 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Funkstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think it has much to do with Capricorn. Moon on the Galactic Center is something I missed which is very important. the July 2009 solar eclipse was 29can27 quincunxing the Moon, and quincunxing Jupiter, making a tight Yod configuration. Also some other tight configurations involving the slow moving transneptunians: Transneptunians causing Earth Changes – Haiti Earthquake.

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posted January 14, 2010 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not specific to this incident. mine was a general comment on pluto in capricorn's influence.

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posted January 14, 2010 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Funkstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake: yep I understand, I see Raymond started a thread about signs so I might explain myself over there.

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posted January 14, 2010 12:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6096806.shtml

i'm sure some of you have already heard about pat robertson's wicked remarks. i thought when you made a deal with the devil things went abnormally WELL ...

lara is right, the voodoo culture is strong in haiti, though some of it is WHITE magic not black, from what my haitian acquaintances have told me...

but robertson is right, they have had more than their share of sorrow and it seems continuous. the fact that we (th US) have meddled in their politics has not helped them much either.

as to the astrology i will let you lot educate me, i have no theories on this one.

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posted January 14, 2010 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

katatonic,

This doesn't surprise me

I knew sooner or later some Christian evangelist would say that the country deserved it because it was aligned with Satan.


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posted January 14, 2010 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been trying to visualize those buried in rubble being rescued but I feel I am getting blocked. Something heavily karmic here, certainly Saturn going Retrograde is a trigger, as is the anniversary of 2003 AZ84, but why Haiti? There is some logic of Astrology connected to Tectonic Plates, but no one knows for sure.

If an Earthquake Cycle occurs during a Solar Eclipse, there can be huge Earthquakes every time Mars or Asteroid KARMA squares 25 Capricorn.

Now here is something very disturbing. The last colossal tragedy where more than 100000 humans could have exited Earth Plane in one day was the Tsunami of 2004.

Saturn opposed Chiron that day. Guess where Saturn was? 25 Cancer. And Chiron on 25 Capricorn. EXACTLY on the Solar Eclipse Point.

25 Cancer to 25 Capricorn is like an Axis of Earthquakes, eerily close to the Tropics 23.5 Cancer to Capricorn.

An even worse connection to the evil Tsunami is that Saturn today is exactly square to the Tsunami's Sun, and Pluto today is just half a degree off that point.


I wish each and every departed Haitian Soul goes straight to a 5th Dimensional Paradise, and sends vibes of hope to the bereaved families.

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posted January 14, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Solar Eclipse opposes AZ84 in ecliptic longitude
The Solar Eclipse squares Haumea in Right Ascension


Haiti was founded on the day of these aspects:
Sun conjunct Haumea in both ecliptic longitude and Right Ascension
Sun trine AZ84 in Right Ascension


so Haiti has Sun-Haumea,Sun-AZ84 aspects like the Solar Eclipse

Haumea goes stationary retrograde the day after the eclipse.


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posted January 14, 2010 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes,
Anne Ortelee did say that Saturn stationing can cause earthquakes and collapse...since Saturn rules our structure. Collapse of Haiti's physical structure and also their financial structure taking a devasting hit.


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posted January 14, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I am afraid it won`t stop there.

Just a very bad feeling I have been getting since september.

Also this nightmare keeps haunting me I had last year, in which Iran was being completely destroyed. In this dream it just didn`t exist anymore.


I so hope that all my bad feelings are just nunsense, an emotional overreaction.


Sending love to all souls.

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it is sad to think that this is the ONLY way a lot of people who wished to escape haiti will ever manage it...and escape is something a lot of haitians dream of. it has been a sad sad place for a long time. and robertson's comparing it to the DOM which shares the small isloand of hispanola has one thing right...whatever is wrong with haiti doesn't seem to be a problem next door.

apparently we (the US under TWO bushes) have interfered with their internal politics to suit ourselves...maybe this is OUR karma making us take some responsibility for the chaos we supported.

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posted January 14, 2010 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree DD

IQ - WOW!!! omg that is just so spooky.

Katatonic... a friend of mine wrote this article. I think it's very apt and true. What do you think?
http://www.thecolumnist.org/

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posted January 14, 2010 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,

I so hope we are wrong.

But I agree those are some spooky astrological aspects. The ones that Glaucus found as well as the ones that IQ mentioned.

I never knew about the 25 Cancer-Capricorn axis.
Well, my DR MC is pretty close to it on 24-25 Cap. as well as my Dr Pluto on 28 Cap. my tropical Anubis is on 28 Cap as well, so maybe that Anubis-placement there is a reason for my bad feelings?

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posted January 14, 2010 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Lara,

How did you get the 7 AM time for the founding of Haiti?


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posted January 14, 2010 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,

Please let me know how AZ84 works on your Draconic Midheaven. With it being a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate,it should involved evolutionary intensified lessons. With it being a plutino, it's similar to Pluto. Whatever Pluto is about, AZ84 might also be.
I am also curious about any transits to the Draconic zodiac chart points.

It was conjuncting my Mom's Venus and square her Sedna when she almost died,got her leg amputated. Natally, she has that object oppose her Part of Fortune with 21 minutes of arc. So that object transit is no joke, especially with it being transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino.

I wonder what name astronomers will give it. By rule as a plutino, it's supposed to be named after an Underworld character.


also....there is another transneptunian dwarf planet that astronomers discovered in 2007. It's 2007 UK126. The Solar Eclipse will be trining that object which is in Taurus within 1 degree.
http://matrixpsedgwick.wordpress.com/

2007 UK126 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_UK126

2003 AZ84
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_AZ84

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posted January 14, 2010 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From astro or astrologers community.

I find the 1st jan a bit dodgy as a date actually! Do you?

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posted January 14, 2010 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nope
but I think that 7 AM time is dodgy


Haitian Independence

On Jan. 1, 1804, Dessalines proclaimed Haitian independence at Gonaïves. Unfortunately for Haiti, Dessalines's qualities of personal courage were not matched by desperately needed tolerance, statesmanship, and magnanimity. He had himself named governor general for life, with the right to choose a successor, following this by crowning himself Emperor Jean Jacques I, but without creating a nobility. In his own words: "Moi seul, je suis noble" (Only I am noble).

His hatred of whites continued after Haitian independence, and he methodically butchered any white Frenchman he could find. Obsessed with fear of French reconquest, he drained off great amounts of energy and money to maintain a large standing army and to build a series of forts.

Dessalines faced the task of rebuilding a shattered agricultural, labor-intensive economy the only way he knew - by order and discipline. A citizen was either a laborer or a soldier. Prosperity of a sort was restored but at the price of personal freedom and without the superb administration which Henri Christophe's regime would soon have in the north. Though the lower classes grudgingly accepted his decrees, the mulattoes, many of whom were longtime landholders and people of education and position, refused to bow to his increasingly harsh demands. Jean Jacques I was assassinated in an ambush near Port-au-Prince on Oct. 17, 1806.


Dessalines, Jean Jacques (zhäN zhäk dĕsälēn'), c.1758-1806, emperor of Haiti (1804-6), born a slave. A shrewd general, he served under Toussaint L'Ouverture in the wars that liberated Haiti. His barbaric cruelty against the mulattoes whom Toussaint was unable to control led to a bitter struggle with the mulatto leaders André Rigaud and Alexandre Pétion. In 1802 Dessalines fought brilliantly against the French, whose forces were led by Gen. Charles Leclerc, earning the nickname of the Tiger. After the decimation of the French army by yellow fever and the capture of Toussaint, he revolted and overwhelmed the invaders in 1803. Independence was declared Jan. 1, 1804, at Gonaïves and Dessalines was chosen governor for life. Later, attempting to emulate Napoleon, he had himself crowned emperor as Jacques I in an ostentatious ceremony. In attempting to reorganize the nation's shattered economy, the ambitious emperor instituted drastic measures, such as forced labor, and accompanied them with despotic and cruel acts. He was subsequently ambushed and killed; Henri Christophe succeeded him in power.
http://www.answers.com/topic/jean-jacques-dessalines

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posted January 14, 2010 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These comments jumped out at me:

"the Universe are handing out Karmic disasters"

"this extreme Karmic feeling over me"

"like people from the dead hovering over me and haunting me"

"These aspects confirm the heaviness of the karma"

"as Haiti is such a black magic country"

"evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences"

"a lot of corruption in Haiti"

"been to Haiti and i have to say i've never been so scared in all my life"

"The whole vibe there is just so dense and negative"

"the voodoo culture is strong in haiti"

"Something heavily karmic here"

I felt the same blockage that IQ did. I started to send long distance healing energy, and I was literally asked to "Stop". And then I very clearly told, "You don't know the Karma that is being balanced here."

I am also praying that all departed souls skip over the 4th, and go directly to the 5th Dimension.


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posted January 14, 2010 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to point out that not all Voodoo is bad. it's a Religion with combination of African and Roman Catholic roots.)


here is some info from wikipedia:


Haitian Vodou or Vaudou (French pronunciation: [vodu], Anglicised as Voodoo) is a syncretic[1] religion originating from the Caribbean country of Haiti, located on the island of Hispaniola. It is based upon a merging of the beliefs and practices of West African peoples, (mainly the Fon and Ewe; see West African Vodun), with Roman Catholic Christianity, which was brought about as African slaves were brought to Haiti in the 16th century and forced to convert to the religion of their owners, whilst they largely still followed their traditional African beliefs.


The principal belief in Haitian Vodou is that there are various deities, or Lwa (commonly spelled Loa), who are subordinate to a greater God, known as Bondyè, who does not interfere with human affairs. Therefore it is to the lwa that Vodou worship is directed.[3] Other characteristics of Vodou include ancestor worship and protection against evil witchcraft.[4]

Haitian Vodou shares many similarities with other faiths of the African diaspora, such as Louisiana Voodoo of New Orleans, Santería and Arará of Cuba, and Candomblé and Umbanda of Brazil. The Vodou temple is called a Hounfour.[5]
Vodou paraphernalia, Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

In Haitian Vodou (Sèvis Lwa in Creole or "Service to the Lwa"), there are strong elements from the Bakongo of Central Africa and the Igbo and Yoruba of Nigeria, although many different nations of Africa have representation in the liturgy of the Sèvis Lwa. A large and significant portion of Haitian Vodou most often overlooked by scholars, until recently is the Kongo component. The entire Northern area of Haiti is especially influenced by Kongo practice. In the North, it is more often called Kongo Rite or Lemba, from the Lemba rites of the Loango area and Mayombe. In the south, Kongo influence is called Petwo (Petro). Many loa or lwa (also a Kikongo term) are of Kongo origin such as Basimbi, Lemba, etc.

Haitian creole forms of Vodou exist in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, parts of Cuba,[1] some of the out-islands of the Bahamas, the United States, and other places that Haitian immigrants dispersed to over the years. However, it is important to note that the Vodun religion (separate from Haitian Vodou) existed in the United States, having been brought over by West Africans enslaved in America, specifically from the Ewe, Fon, Mina, Kabaye, and Nago groups. Some of its more enduring forms still exist in the Gullah Islands. There is a re-emergence of these Vodun traditions in America, which maintains the same ritual and cosmological elements as is practiced in West Africa. These and other African-diasporic religions such as Lukumi or Regla de Ocha (also known as Santería) in Cuba, Candomblé and Umbanda in Brazil, all religions that evolved among descendants of transplanted Africans in the Americas.


Beliefs
[edit] Deities

Vodouisants believe in both a supreme God called Bondye , and many lesser spirits, known as the loa. This had been a belief held in several west African religions such as that of the Yoruba, Odinani, and Vodun, and when it came in contact with Roman Catholicism, the greater deity was associated with the Judeo-Christian God, and the loa with the saints.
[edit] Bondye

Haitian Vodouisants are monotheists, believing in one supreme god, known as Bondye [6] (from the French "Bon Dieu" or "Good God"). Vodouisants do not see Bondye as different from the Abrahamic conceptions of God, in the sense that Bondye is considered to be the creator of all. Bondye is distant from its creation, being a pandeist deity, and because of this, Vodouisants don't believe that they can contact it for help.
[edit] Loa

Because Bondye is considered unreachable, Vodouisants focus their prayer and devotion to lesser entities, spirits known as loa, or mistè. Some of the most notable loa include Papa Legba the guardian of the crossroads, Erzulie Freda the spirit of love, Simbi the spirit of rain and magicians, Kouzin Zaka the spirit of agriculture, and The Marasa, who are divine twins considered to be the first children of Bondye[7].

These loa can be divided into 21 nations, which include the Petwo, Rada, Congo and Nago [8].The Petwo and the Rada contrast most with one another, because the Petwo are hot or aggressive and restless, whereas the Rada are cool or calm and peaceful.

The loa also fall into family groups, who share a surname, such as Ogou, Ezili, Azaka or Ghede. For instance, "Ezili" is a family, Ezili Danto and Ezili Freda are two individual spirits in that family. Each family are associated with a specific aspect, for instance the Ogou family are soldiers, the Ezili govern the feminine spheres of life, the Azaka govern agriculture, the Ghede govern the sphere of death and fertility.

Each of the loa is associated with a particular Roman Catholic saint.
[edit] Morality

Vodou's moral code focuses on the vices of dishonour and greed. There is also a notion of relative propriety — and what is appropriate to someone with Dambala Wedo as their head may be different from someone with Ogou Feray as their head. For example, one spirit is very cool and the other is very hot. Coolness overall is valued, and so is the ability and inclination to protect oneself and one's own if necessary. Love and support within the family of the Vodou society seem to be the most important considerations. Generosity in giving to the community and to the poor is also an important value. One's blessings come through the community and there is the idea that one should be willing to give back to it in turn. There are no "solitaries" in Vodou, only people separated geographically from their elders and house. A person without a relationship of some kind with elders will not be practicing Vodou as it is understood in Haiti and among Haitians.

Vodou is an ecstatic rather than a fertility based religion.[


Orthodoxy and diversity

There is a diversity of practice in Vodou across the country of Haiti and the Haitian diaspora. For instance in the north of Haiti the lave tèt ("head washing") or kanzwe may be the only initiation, as it is in the Dominican Republic and Cuba, whereas in Port-au-Prince and the south they practice the kanzo rites with three grades of initiation – kanzo senp, si pwen, and asogwe – and the latter is the most familiar mode of practice outside of Haiti. Some lineages combine both, as Manbo Katherine Dunham reports from her personal experience in her book Island Possessed.

While the overall tendency in Vodou is very conservative in accord with its African roots, there is no singular, definitive form, only what is right in a particular house or lineage. Small details of service and the spirits served will vary from house to house, and information in books or on the internet therefore may seem contradictory. There is no central authority or "pope" in Haitian Vodou since "every manbo and houngan is the head of their own house", as a popular saying in Haiti goes. Another consideration in terms of Haitian diversity are the many sects besides the Sèvi Gine in Haiti such as the Makaya, Rara, and other secret societies, each of which has its own distinct pantheon of spirits.
[edit] Practices
[edit] Liturgy and practice
Vodou ceremony, Jacmel, Haiti.

After a day or two of preparation setting up altars, ritually preparing and cooking fowl and other foods, etc., a Haitian Vodou service begins with a series of Catholic prayers and songs in French, then a litany in Kreyòl and African "langaj" that goes through all the European and African saints and lwa honored by the house, and then a series of verses for all the main spirits of the house. This is called the "Priyè Gine" or the African Prayer. After more introductory songs, beginning with saluting Hounto, the spirit of the drums, the songs for all the individual spirits are sung, starting with the Legba family through all the Rada spirits, then there is a break and the Petwo part of the service begins, which ends with the songs for the Gede family.

As the songs are sung, participants believe that spirits come to visit the ceremony, by taking possession of individuals and speaking and acting through them. When a ceremony is made, only the family of those possessed is benefited. At this time it is believed that devious mambo or houngan can take away the luck of the worshippers through particular actions. For instance, if a priest asks for a drink of champagne, a wise participant will refuse. Sometimes these ceremonies may include dispute among the singers as to how a hymn is to be sung. In Haiti, these vodou ceremonies, depending on the Priest or Priestess, may be more organized. But in the United States, many vodou practitioners and clergy take it as a sort of non-serious party or "folly".

In a serious rite, each spirit is saluted and greeted by the initiates present and will give readings, advice and cures to those who approach them for help. Many hours later, as morning dawns, the last song is sung, the guests leave, and all the exhausted hounsis and houngans and manbos can go to sleep.

On the individual's household level, a Vodouisant or "sèvitè"/"serviteur" may have one or more tables set out for their ancestors and the spirit or spirits that they serve with pictures or statues of the spirits, perfumes, foods, and other things favored by their spirits. The most basic set up is just a white candle and a clear glass of water and perhaps flowers. On a particular spirit's day, one lights a candle and says an Our Father and Hail Mary, salutes Papa Legba and asks him to open the gate, and then one salutes and speaks to the particular spirit as an elder family member. Ancestors are approached directly, without the mediating of Papa Legba, since they are said to be "in the blood".
[edit] Priests

Most Vodouisants are not initiated, referred to as being "bossale"; it is not a requirement to be an initiate in order to serve one's spirits. There are clergy in Haitian Vodou whose responsibility it is to preserve the rituals and songs and maintain the relationship between the spirits and the community as a whole (though some of this is the responsibility of the whole community as well). They are entrusted with leading the service of all of the spirits of their lineage. Sometimes they are "called" to serve in a process called "being reclaimed," which they may resist at first. [9] Priests are referred to as "Houngans" and priestesses as "Mambos". Below the houngans and mambos are the hounsis, who are initiates who act as assistants during ceremonies and who are dedicated to their own personal mysteries.
[edit] History
[edit] African origins
Vodou original area

The word vodou derives from vodũ, which in Fon, Ewe, and related language (distributed from contemporary Ghana to Benin) means spirit or divine creature (in the sense of divine creation).

The cultural area of the Fon, Ewe, and Yoruba peoples share common metaphysical conceptions around a dual cosmological divine principle Nana Buluku, the God-Creator, and the vodou(s) or God-Actor(s), daughters and sons of the Creator's twin children Mawu (goddess of the moon) and Lisa (god of the sun). The God-Creator is the cosmogonical principle and does not trifle with the mundane; the vodou(s) are the God-Actor(s) who actually govern earthly issues.

The pantheon of vodoun is quite large and complex. In one version, there are seven male and female twins of Mawu, interethnic and related to natural phenomena or historical or mythical individuals, and dozens of ethnic vodous, defenders of a certain clan or tribe.[citation needed]

West African Vodun has its primary emphasis on the ancestors, with each family of spirits having its own specialized priest- and priestesshood which are often hereditary. In many African clans, deities might include Mami Wata, who are gods and goddesses of the waters; Legba, who in some clans is virile and young in contrast to the old man form he takes in Haiti and in many parts of Togo; Gu (or Ogoun), ruling iron and smithcraft; Sakpata, who rules diseases; and many other spirits distinct in their own way to West Africa.

European colonialism, followed by totalitarian regimes in West Africa, suppressed Vodun as well as other forms of the religion. However, because the Vodou deities are born to each African clan-group, and its clergy is central to maintaining the moral, social, and political order and ancestral foundation of its villagers, it proved to be impossible to eradicate the religion. Though permitted by Haiti's 1987 constitution, which recognizes religious equality, many books and films have sensationalized voodoo as black magic based on animal and human sacrifices to summon zombies and evil spirits.
[edit] Haitian Revolution

The majority of the Africans who were brought as slaves to Haiti were from Western and Central Africa. The Vodun practitioners brought over and enslaved in the United States primarily descend from the Ewe, Anlo-Ewe, and other West African groups.[citation needed] The survival of the belief systems in the New World is remarkable, although the traditions have changed with time and have even taken on some Catholic forms of worship.[1] Two important factors, however, characterize the uniqueness of Haitian Vodou as compared to African Vodun; the transplanted Africans of Haiti, similar to those of Cuba and Brazil, were obliged to disguise their loa (sometimes spelled lwa) or spirits as Roman Catholic saints, an element of a process called syncretism.

Roman Catholicism was mixed into the religion to hide their "pagan" religion from their masters, who had forbidden them to practice it. Thus, Haitian Vodou has roots in several West African religions, and incorporates some Roman Catholic and Arawak Amerindian influences. It is common for Haitians followers of the Vodou religion to integrate Roman Catholic practices by including Catholic prayers in Vodou worship. Throughout the history of the island from the day of independence of 1804 to the present, missionaries repeatedly came over to the island to convert the Haitians back to the Christian religion which previously had been forced on them. This has set many Haitians to project vodou as an evil religion, from the influence of the missionaries to abusive practitioners who use vodou to persecute.

Vodou, as it is known in Haiti and the Haitian diaspora, is the result of the pressures of many different cultures and ethnicities of people being uprooted from Africa and imported to Hispaniola during the African slave trade. Under slavery, African culture and religion was suppressed, lineages were fragmented, and people pooled their religious knowledge and from this fragmentation became culturally unified. In addition to combining the spirits of many different African and Amerindian nations, Vodou has incorporated pieces of Roman Catholic liturgy to replace lost prayers or elements. Images of Catholic saints are used to represent various spirits or "mistè" ("mysteries", actually the preferred term in Haiti), and many saints themselves are honored in Vodou in their own right. This syncretism allows Vodou to encompass the African, the Indian, and the European ancestors in a whole and complete way. It is truly a Kreyòl religion.

The most historically important Vodou ceremony in Haitian history was the Bwa Kayiman or Bois Caïman ceremony of August 1791 that began the Haitian Revolution, in which the spirit Ezili Dantor possessed a priestess and received a black pig as an offering, and all those present pledged themselves to the fight for freedom. This ceremony ultimately resulted in the liberation of the Haitian people from French colonial rule in 1804, and the establishment of the first black people's republic in the history of the world and the second independent nation in the Americas.
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Today Vodou is practiced not only by Haitians but by Americans and people of many other nations who have been exposed to Haitian culture. However (as may occur within other religions), because of the loyalty and demand many have imposed on vodou, some high priests and priestesses have taken the opportunity to exploit their followers, asking large sums for work that brings no result. It has been asserted that vodou as a religion is dying because of the greed of many who practice it.

Many Haitians involved in the practice of vodou have been initiated as Houngans or Mambos. In Haiti, a houngan or mambo is considered a person of possible high power and status who acquire much money; it now is a growing occupation in Haiti, attracting many an impoverished citizen to its practice, not only to gain power but to gain money as well. Many vodou practitioners with a hunger to live a life of wealth and power became practitioners in order to exploit foreigners and Haitians who are uneducated about vodou, bringing them into a web of deceptions to collect large incomes in exchange for poor quality work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou

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Myths and misconceptions

Vodou has come to be associated in popular culture with the lore of Satanism, zombies and "voodoo dolls". While there is evidence of zombie creation,[10] it is a minor phenomenon within rural Haitian culture and not a part of the Vodou religion proper. Such manifestations fall under the auspices of the bokor or sorcerer rather than the priest of the Loa.

The practice of sticking pins in dolls has history in folk magic, but its exact origins are unclear. How it became known as a method of cursing an individual by some followers of what has come to be called New Orleans Voodoo, but more appropriately Hoodoo (folk magic), is unknown. This practice is not unique to vodou or hoodoo, however, and has as much basis in magical devices such as the poppet and the nkisi or bocio of West and Central Africa. These are in fact power objects, what in Haiti would be referred to as pwen, rather than magical surrogates for an intended target of sorcery whether for boon or for bane. Such vodou dolls are not a feature of Haitian religion, although dolls intended for tourists may be found in the Iron Market in Port au Prince. The practice became closely associated with the Vodou religions in the public mind through the vehicle of horror movies and popular novels.

There is a practice in Haiti of nailing crude poppets with a discarded shoe on trees near the cemetery to act as messengers to the otherworld, which is very different in function from how poppets are portrayed as being used by vodou worshippers in popular media and imagination, ie. for purposes of sympathetic magic towards another person. Another use of dolls in authentic Vodou practice is the incorporation of plastic doll babies in altars and objects used to represent or honor the spirits, or in pwen, which recalls the aforementioned use of bocio and nkisi figures in Africa.

Although Vodou is often associated with Satanism, Satan is rarely incorporated in Vodou tradition. When Mississippi Delta folksongs mix references to Vodou and to Satan, it may represent social pain such as from racism, although some crossover due to syncretism would certainly have occurred.

Further adding to the dark reputation of Vodou was the 1973 film adaptation of the thriller Live and Let Die, part of Ian Fleming's widely successful James Bond series, which had been continually in print in both the English original and translations to numerous languages. Fleming's depiction of the schemings of a fiendish Soviet agent (see Mr. Big, Baron Samedi) using Vodou to intimidate and control a vast network of submissive black followers reached an incomparably greater audience than any careful scholarly work on the subject of Vodou.

To address the myths and misconceptions that have historically maligned the practice and present a more constructive view of the religion, in April 1997, thirteen scholars gathered at UCSB for a colloquium on Haitian Vodou, The Spirit and The Reality: Vodou and Haiti created a new association under the name, the Congress of Santa Barbara also known as KOSANBA[[1]]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou


so Haiti isn't necessarily a Black Magic Country

heck...darkside occult,magic practices are practiced in many parts of the world, ...even here in USA.

of course, religions have been used to harm people in many parts of the world...definitely here in USA and Europe.

Raymond

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