posted January 27, 2010 09:05 AM              

Thank you for the detailed analisys.

So apart from the separating aspects,the ones that were approaching had a stronger effect in the beggining of the relationship?

about my asc..well that time i wasnt sure but my mother said to me that i was born exact 15minuts after my sister.and as she as 9:15am in her birth certificate,im pretty sure that the asc is right now.

also...my sabyan of 5Libra is "

A MAN WATCHES HIS IDEALS TAKING A CONCRETE FORM BEFORE HIS INNER VISION
Ideals are not only bought into the light of reality but they are being put to the test. This is a good time to visualize your thoughts and feelings. Doing this will make it possible to project your creative ideas out into the real world. What you thought would happen can happen. Watching your 'Ideals' unfolding, you'll see them coming into physical reality.
A vivid confrontation with one's objectives. Meditations and affirmations. The need to be careful to know what's wanted. Writing and getting published. Designs and plans coming to fruition.
The Caution: Being dissatisfied with the manifestation of what was thought to be the true ideal. Being careful what you ask for."

i feel very identified with this sabyan really.even more now in this time of my life that im doing exaclty that.

i went to see the sabyan for the 7libra and i dont really see myself on that.

However i am curious to know how people rectify the time of birth.

-about his Moon:

well his nMoon is 17AQUA actually,so that signifies that my P Valentine was also cj his nMoon.

WOW-i didnt realised that but we´re having that DW of Venus-Saturn...seems big to me.

there is still some 3º to become exact cj,makes me remember about IQ´s analysis of my SR of 20111/12 where shows a baby,consolidation of relationship and also a rise in profession.

Big Changes ahead...i guess that once the separation comes,that p.asc will cj his Pluto,how interesting!

another thing i remembered:

posted January 27, 2010 09:53 AM            

"So apart from the separating aspects,the ones that were approaching had a stronger effect in the beggining of the relationship?"
Yes.

"about my asc..well that time i wasnt sure but my mother said to me that i was born exact 15minuts after my sister.and as she as 9:15am in her birth certificate,im pretty sure that the asc is right now."
Well, mothers aren`t always the best source, even though sometimes they remember it right (my mum remembered it rightly, which I did not believe until I saw the birth certificate; my birthtime of 7:07 just seemed too odd).

"also...my sabyan of 5Libra is ""
you mean 5 - 6 degree?
My MC is the SAbian before that.

"However i am curious to know how people rectify the time of birth."
Mostly over transits and progressions I guess.
At least that is the way I am doing it, and then countercheck it with the Sabian degrees. Even though this is difficult, as there may be Sabians which are not "well liked" by people, hence they will say they cannot see themselves in them, even though this Sabian may be very appropriate.

So I rely more onto events triggered by transits and directions and progressions.
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"well his nMoon is 17AQUA actually,so that signifies that my P Valentine was also cj his nMoon."
My Moon is also at 17 Aqua. lol
Well, that was what I meant, your P Valentine was in strong aspect to his ASC AND Moon. What are the odds of that?
Especially, now with his p Valentine approaching your ASC, if I remember it right?

"but i guess that the time is so little and will not be showned any difference in progressions."
It will definitely change the progressed Moon, as it moves so quickly.

Another thing is these perpetual progressions. They are intriguing, and the theory of "perpetual progressions" explained for a major part my yearlong fascination with a certain musical actor. On a first glance (without asteroids or Dracos- those are very strong) we don`t have all that strong synastry, nothing to really explain my fascination with him for such a long time.
But these perpetual progressions made a lot of sense.

posted January 27, 2010 11:58 AM            

In my case, when me and my bf met/started:
- his pMars was opposed to my pVenus (separating);
- his pAC was conjunct my pVenus (applying);
- my pAC was conjunct his pKarma (applying);
- our pACs were conjunct each other's nEros (applying);
- my pMars was opposed to his nSun (applying).

Right now (after 4 years), we have:
- his pSun trine my nVenus (applying);
- his pVenus oppose my nMars (applying);
- my pVenus oppose his nVenus (applying);
- his pVenus conjunct my pPluto/nPluto (separating);
- my pMars oppose his nSun (separating);
- my pAC conjunct his pKarma (separating);
- my pAC conjunct his nEros (separating);

- his pEros oppose my pPsyche (applying).

In the future, his pMars/pEros will oppose my nVenus/nMoon, and our pACs will hit on each other's nMars/nVenus consequently (his pAC will hit my nVenus at the same time my pAC hits his nMars, then later his pAC will hit my nMars at the same time my pAC will hit his nVenus). After the pACs aspects, it seems that there won't be any applying aspects, unless after some good years. ;_;

*edited* (corrected one of the aspects)

posted January 28, 2010 05:20 PM            

quote:

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Actually I am beginning to think that only conjunctions and maybe oppositions may be strong enough to *really* trigger an event, like a relationship. And if there are conjunctions, then the other aspects will work as supporting factors in the background.

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I'm starting to believe this too. What planetary configurations did you have in mind? And what charts do you look at; progressed, natal, composite??

Westran thinks the trine is the most dynamic because it have the widest range, and creates the best blend of energies; not to intense, not to indifferent, but perfectly in the middle. I tend to agree with him.

Westran didn't include the moon in his book, but my own research have shown that the pMoon is almost always active at the beginning of relationships. Making either a conjunction or opposition to each other's nSun or nMoon.

posted January 28, 2010 09:36 PM            

cj/opp only

His pr groom opp my dr destinn (0)
His pr eros/venus/DNA opp my dr AC (1)
His pr vertex cj my dr boda (1)
His pr Aphrodite cj my dr eros (1)
His pr valentine cj my dr vertex (2)
His pr cupid opp my dr union (0)
His pr briede cj my dr paul (2)
His pr mars opp my dr briede (1)
His pr juno opp my dr valentine (3)
His pr AC cj my dr kaali (2)
My pr VENUS cj his dr venus/groom (2)
My pr venus opp his dr briede (2)
My pr briede cj his dr sun (0)
My pr AC cj his dr sun (3)
My pr moon cj his dr destinn (2)
My pr juno cj his dr cupid (0)
My pr destinn cj his dr juno (0)
My pr groom opp his dr union (2)

omg.

My pr venus cj his n eros (0)
My pr mercury cj his n mercury/DNA (0)
My pr Aphrodite opp his n juno (2)
My pr valentine cj his n Osiris (1)
My pr valentine opp his n kaali (0)
My pr eros cj his n valentine (3)
My pr moon cj his n cupid (0)
My pr juno cj his n PofF (1)
My pr psyche opp his n Saturn (3)
My pr vertex opp his n eros (0)
My pr destinn cj his n boda (0)
My pr groom opp his n union (3)
His pr destinn cj my n amor (0)
His pr sun cj my n kaali (3)
His pr union cj my n Pluto (2)
His pr amor cj my n eros (1)
His pr valentine opp my n moon/venus (1)
His pr moon opp my n sun (0)
His pr cupid opp my n juno (2)
His pr moon opp my n juno/karma (0)
His pr juno opp my n briede (2)
his N AC opp her PR mars (2)
his pr valentine trine my n AC (0)

His pr sun cj my pr Jupiter (2)
His pr vertex opp my pr groom (3)
His pr amor cj my pr IC (3)
His pr valentine cj my pr moon (0)
His pr mars opp my pr venus (0)

posted January 28, 2010 10:20 PM            

quote:

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WOW have you guys checked progression for date you met your loved ones against the others draco? :O

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posted January 29, 2010 06:44 AM            

"What planetary configurations did you have in mind?"
I wasn`t having any particular configurations in mind, even though for relationships I think those may be strongest, which combine Yin and Yang energy, like Sun-Venus or Venus-Mars.

" And what charts do you look at; progressed, natal, composite??"
I usually look at natals and synastry, and also progressed ones, occasionally composites, but am not compeltely certain about those.

"Westran thinks the trine is the most dynamic because it have the widest range, and creates the best blend of energies; not to intense, not to indifferent, but perfectly in the middle. I tend to agree with him."
I am not sure I agree. I don´t think a trine is very dynamic. BUT it has some similiarities to the conjunction as it combines the same elements with each other.

On the other hand his research very clearly shows the significance of trines.
Actually I usually mainly look at conjunctin, opposition, trine and square. I don`t believe that sextiles or quinkunx or minor aspects have too much power, at least not comparable to the first four aspects.

"Westran didn't include the moon in his book, but my own research have shown that the pMoon is almost always active at the beginning of relationships. Making either a conjunction or opposition to each other's nSun or nMoon."
Yes, the pr Moon works superbly as a timer.

I was underestimating it myself, but have found it to be very strong in progressions.
Actually last time I was seeing someone and it gave me a sense of closure, I just noticed that my pr Moon was precisely conjunct his natal Moon, by 0°04! That is some kind of timing!

His pr Moon will be conjunct my natal Moon this year, too. I think this may be especially important as my natal Moon is exact conjunct his SN. I guess this is really a good time to get emotional closure.

I am not sure what I think about Venus-Venus aspects. They tend to be very romantic, but somewhat passive, but not all the times. Maybe it depends in which sign they are and which other aspects they receive?
I mean two people with Aries Venus will maybe act differently to two people with Pisces-Venus for example.

posted February 01, 2010 06:28 AM            

Didn't Westran say that the long lasting couples either had contiual progressions of the planets he was working with OR had them in natal synastry within 2 degrees? I think that was the most common factor in lasting relationships (natal to natal).

posted February 01, 2010 06:46 AM            

His pr SUN cj my pr MARS (s)
my pr SUN sextile his pr VENUS (2a)

and that was it!

posted February 01, 2010 08:34 AM            

Yes, I recall that, too.

Lara,

no progressions to ASC or ruler of 5th, 7th, 1st and 8th house?

Did you look for natal aspects that became exact in progressions?
Even though there are these "high-light" aspects in progressions, Westran also considers other aspects in his report.

Here is my report for Jude and me: (just as a sample):

Introduction

This report lists important astrological aspects that you share as a couple. These aspects are important because they symbolize the resonance, both harmonious and discordant, that you shared on the date in question and, in the case of natal – natal aspects, continue to share throughout your lives.

When Natal planets make aspects to other natal planets, this means that the resonance created by these connections is permanent. Whenever a progressed planet is included in the report it means that the connection is temporary (although some temporary aspects last for a very long time).

The aspects listed here are listed with those indicating connections (aspects) that are very important to intimate relationships (called primary relationship indicators) listed first. Other connections which may affect the quality of your relationship in other ways are then listed. If you do not share many connections, don't worry as this is not necessarily a bad thing. Close planetary connections can create a relationship which is highly stimulating, but also mentally and emotionally exhausting (this is especially the case where an opposition of Venus and Mars is present). In fact one or two harmonious connections together with one or two conflicting connections (which often make your relationship more interesting) is the most common and therefore the most favorable type of combination.

There is likely to be some repetition in your synastry report. This is because you will often experience the same astrological connections in different ways. If this is the case in your report you should look carefully for differences in the text which are likely to be subtle, but important differences.

Primary Relationship Indicators

Jude's natal Sun is Conjunct Kerstin's natal Venus — orb is 1.5 deg.

This connection is highly significant in relationship astrology and is one of the main astrological reasons why you were drawn to each other.

This particular connection can be referred to as a Primary Relationship Indicator: it combines two of the most powerful symbols of relationship in astrology, the Sun, which symbolizes our life path and our ideals, with Venus, which rules the manner in which we relate, the values with which we compare ourselves and others, as well as our romantic preferences. The angle of connection is of primary importance and in this case, this is via a harmonious exchange of mutual attraction through similarity and commonality.

This connection is a permanent dynamic of your relationship.

Unless the Venus person in this relationship is an unusually dynamic individual, the Sun person is likely to take the initiative in matters that relate to the relationship. Booking restaurant tables and organizing outings are the sort of things that Venus hesitates to arrange. This can sometimes be seen as the Sun person's desire to control, however, unless other factors make this inappropriate, it is likely that you find your roles within this relationship comfortable.

It is very possible that you were drawn to each other after finding that you share common interests, values and/or aspirations. This is not always a "love at first sight" connection, but it can be "love at first insight" experience.

In astrology, the Sun also represents the way that we negotiate and Venus represents the way that we compromise, the conjunction enables an uninterrupted transition of energy (or information) from one planet to another.

Many relationships begin under this auspice and its permanent status in the relationship ensures that you will always have the resources it provides to connect, combine and enjoy each other's company. Conjunctions are connections of commonality and similarity - they can be visualized as a couple walking together hand in hand in the same direction. You are likely to combine in a very special way, but you are also likely to follow a pattern which involves coming together in order to unload your experiences onto each other, this is because you "occupy the same space" and conjunctions between the Sun and Venus facilitate this characteristic more markedly than other connections.

The presence of a Sun-Venus conjunction in a relationship is useful, but it is not a panacea for love. The Sun and Venus conjunct can work together well, but its presence in your synastry does not guarantee a long and happy life together - that depends on many other factors - but it is very, very useful. The Sun Venus conjunction is one of the most significant aspects in relationships because it imbues a sense of similarity and teamwork. The safety and warmth of the conjunction suits some temperaments more than others, but, as you find yourself in such a relationship it is likely that it suits both of you.

If this aspect happens twice in this report (between one Sun and one Venus and other Sun and Venus), then the likelihood is that you are romantically very similar and your ideals and values are almost, if not entirely, identical.

You share this connection with the following couples: Will Smith and Jada Pinkett; Sylvester Stallone and Jennifer Flavin, and Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf.

Other Important Relationship Aspects

Kerstin's natal Venus is Square Jude's natal Pluto — orb is 1.7 deg.

This is likely to be a very intense relationship and difficult relationship. You may feel uncomfortable with each other for some reason and this will usually come to a head in disagreements about habits, behavior or recreational activities. This might also be a relationship where power is wielded, either in the relationship or through the relationship.

What is happening when this square takes place is the interplay of two planets which are sensitive to change and which disagree on some core issues. Pluto instigates re-evaluation and Venus symbolizes the values we hold. There is often a disagreement or a difference between you that makes it difficult to relate without one of you adapting your value system (Venus) or your behavior (Pluto).

Pluto in astrology rules death, transformation and regeneration, while Venus is the planet of personal love, romance and value. Pluto is often referred to as an impersonal planet while Venus is one of the more intimate constructs in astrology. What follows can be a very intense and sometimes complex relationship which can at times feel dangerous, by turn exciting and occasionally it can degenerate into a situation where one of you seeks inordinate control over the other. At the very least, you are likely to feel that this relationship has changed you.

The square of Venus finds it difficult to positively influence Pluto, while Pluto will try very hard to influence Venus. This is likely to be a very intense and sexual relationship with heavy moments as well as light. You may both benefit from this connection which may occasionally promote positive change in both of you.

This is a permanent dynamic of your relationship which is most likely to come to the fore in an intimate relationship if there are no other aspects made by the planet Venus in your relationship.

Jude's natal Venus is Square Kerstin's natal Jupiter — orb is 1.8 deg.

In some ways it is preferable for a couple to have a hard or difficult connection between Jupiter and Venus, the outcome of which is one of several types.

The primary outcome is that Jupiter and Venus love, laugh, dance, entertain and spend to excess, the secondary outcome is that circumstances make you frugal and careful. Outcome one can in fact lead to outcome two.

Generally speaking, not everyone is a hedonistic wastrel and so what is it about this aspect that I am cautioning you? Actually the nature of Jupiter and Venus, the two great benefics in astrology, is to provide joy, abundance, love and wealth, they often do this by making entertainment part of your lives as a couple. If you are not naturally spendthrift individuals, then this aspect in a relationship can create circumstances that make you more excessive as a couple. This is often because your relationship has a very social foundation. Alternatively, you may sometimes find it difficult to enjoy each other's company because of some external source of irritation, perhaps stemming from previous life choices.

This is a permanent dynamic of your relationship.

Kerstin's progressed Venus is Quintile Jude's natal Neptune — orb is 1.4 deg.

The quintile aspect bears the qualities of creativity and utility. It is rather more beneficial in relationships than some other connections, but in the case of Venus and Neptune it creates a fertile well of imagination. While this can be a good thing in a relationship when channeled well, it can occasionally make you feel like you are in love without having spent a great deal of time with the object of your affection. This is not a criticism, but an observation.

This is a temporary dynamic of your relationship, although it can occasionally last for more than a decade.

Jude's natal Venus is Conjunct Kerstin's progressed Neptune — orb is 2.0 deg.

This is one of those aspects which will very probably also occur between natal Venus and natal Neptune, as such, most of what is written below will probably be repeated elsewhere in this report. Because Neptune progresses at a very slow rate, the two styles of aspect connection will be virtually identical. If the two planets achieve exactness by progression during your relationship, this interpretation will be more relevant.

Your relationship has a touch of idealism about it. Everyone has faults and foibles, but you most likely ignore each other's bad habits in favor of 'taking the more positive view'. If this is a hopelessly idealistic situation, then of course it may present problems for one or both of you, but if it feels like magic, then who's to say it isn't? Not this software program, that's for sure.

The conjunction symbolizes the gentle and kind interaction of romantic love with the higher expression of selfless love. You may feel an achingly positive regard for each other and you may become lost in your relationship as angels and nymphs serenade your every interaction. Your relationship is dreamy and idealistic. All you have to do to make it perfect is try to be conventional once in a while. Although you would probably like to gaze into each other's eyes for all time, the world needs you two to focus on practical matters every now and again. The downside of Neptune is a tendency to dissipation of energy and focus, not necessarily through indulgence, but through lack of definition and in a relationship Neptune needs to be grounded at least for some of the time. Venus can help to achieve this and can do so in such an sensitive way that Neptune doesn't even have to know he's being "Earthed". Dreaming dreams is easy; making them come true is your task.

Theoretically, this is a temporary dynamic of your relationship, in actuality it will be a very long-lasting progression.

Kerstin's natal Venus is Square Jude's progressed Pluto — orb is 1.9 deg.

This is one of those aspects which will very probably also occur between natal Venus and natal Pluto, as such, most of what is written below will probably be repeated elsewhere in this report. Because Pluto progresses at a very slow rate, the two styles of aspect connection will be virtually identical. If the two planets achieve exactness by progression during your relationship, this interpretation will be more relevant.

This is likely to be a very intense relationship and difficult relationship. You may feel uncomfortable with each other for some reason and this will usually come to a head in disagreements about habits, behavior or recreational activities. This might also be a relationship where power is wielded, either in the relationship or through the relationship.

What is happening when this square takes place is the interplay of two planets which are sensitive to change and which disagree on some core issues. Pluto instigates re-evaluation and Venus symbolizes the values we hold. There is often a disagreement or a difference between you that makes it difficult to relate without one of you adapting your value system (Venus) or your behavior (Pluto).

Pluto in astrology rules death, transformation and regeneration, while Venus is the planet of personal love, romance and value. Pluto is often referred to as an impersonal planet while Venus is one of the more intimate constructs in astrology. What follows can be a very intense and sometimes complex relationship which can at times feel dangerous, by turn exciting and occasionally it can degenerate into a situation where one of you seeks inordinate control over the other. One or both of you is likely to be changed profoundly by your relationship.

The square of Venus finds it difficult to positively influence Pluto, while Pluto will try very hard to influence Venus. This is likely to be a very intense and sexual relationship with heavy moments as well as light. You may both benefit from this connection which may occasionally promote positive change in both of you.

Theoretically, this is a temporary dynamic of your relationship which is most likely to come to the fore in an intimate relationship if there are no other aspects made by the planet Venus in your relationship.

Kerstin's progressed Venus is Quintile Jude's progressed Neptune — orb is 0.4 deg.

The quintile aspect bears the qualities of creativity and utility. It is rather more beneficial in relationships than some other connections, but in the case of Venus and Neptune it creates a fertile well of imagination. While this can be a good thing in a relationship when channeled well, it can occasionally make you feel like you are in love without having spent a great deal of time with the object of your affection. This is not a criticism, but an observation.

This is a temporary dynamic of your relationship, although it can last for decades in some cases.

Kerstin's natal Sun is Conjunct Jude's progressed Mars — orb is 1.8 deg.

This connection is significant in some types of relationship astrology and plays an important role in the way that your relationship will develop over time. It is probably not the factor that brought you together. However, it's presence in your relationship can bring with it some useful issues and attributes for the time period that the connection is close to being exact.

Mars and the Sun combine in the achievement of goals; the Sun symbolizes the ambition, Mars symbolizes the means by which we achieve goals. In relationship astrology this combination is a good indicator of team work. You have the ability to work hard at your relationship and to play hard as well. You may become competitive, but any rivalry will most likely work in your favor.

Sexually, this connection is quite important. Your physical desires are likely to be similar. This is not something you will be aware of until after your relationship has begun, so while it is probably not the factor that brought you together in the first instance it will help your relationship to flourish on the physical level for the time being.

This connection is a temporary dynamic in your relationship, but its effects can regularly last for more than a decade.

Kerstin's natal Mercury is Conjunct Jude's progressed Mars — orb is 0.9 deg.

When Mercury and Mars combine, they symbolize ideas in action. Mars can bring tangible expression to Mercury's ideas and notions. Progressing Mars moves relatively slowly, so this connection is likely to last for at least six years.

Vibrant conversations or sometimes mild irritations are on the cards as Mercury tends to analyze and Mars likes to act, but overall, this can be a stimulating partnership. Progressed conjunctions of Mars are stimulating events in relationships and as such, this is a time of active participation as well as discussion.

For the period of this connection, your sex life may include verbal communication. When Mercury, planet of communication and Mars planet of sex combine, they create pillow talk and bedroom discussions. These are not sweet nothings spoken in soft tones (which is the realm of Venus and Mercury), they are more likely to be significantly more passionate. Progressed aspects, it should be noted tend to be more intensely felt than similar natal aspects.

Kerstin's progressed Mercury is Conjunct Jude's progressed Mercury — orb is 0.3 deg.

This is a meeting of minds. You should communicate well, as you think in similar ways about similar things. Conversations are stimulating, but there doesn't have to be a constant stream of verbiage between you for you to feel comfortable in each others's company. Watching movies and TV shows or listening to music or radio programs together are just as valid for this connection.

This is a temporary dynamic in your relationship, it can occasionally last more than a decade.

posted February 01, 2010 08:45 AM            

me 26th april 1968 at 7.59am
him 11th april 1968 at 9.16pm