posted January 28, 2010 05:37 PM         

lying and persuasion - if you're interested.

posted January 28, 2010 05:40 PM         

i forgot to mention that my mercury an my moon in gemini are in second house and neptune in scorpio is in seventh.

posted January 28, 2010 05:51 PM         

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I don't like when a sign gets picked on where broad generalizations are made but...I will say, in my personal experience, I have known two compulsive liars. These were not just occasional liars but the "everything that comes out of their mouth is a lie" kind of liars, where it was so extreme they needed serious psychiatric help. Both were Libras.

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You aren't the only one who've seen this compulsive side of Libra.

posted January 28, 2010 07:01 PM         

It’s quite disappointing to see someone with your talents not use them through this forum. With your intelligence and knowledge, you really could be a shining light for everyone here, and especially the newest members who are trying to learn. But instead, you attack one of our own, who does share his intelligence and knowledge, who spends hours researching at least 99% of the questions asked of him (probably 100%), who goes above and beyond to makes us think, to help us grow, to share what he knows, and to teach all of us who so desperately want to learn. I have probably paid for one actual reading in the past two years. Now compare that to the hundreds of questions I have asked him, and the hundreds of emails I have sent him, answers to which have always been given freely, without charge. When have you ever helped others?

Something else you might want to consider. Often when you don’t like another person, when there is something about them that irritates, annoys, or makes you angry....typically that is something about yourself you don’t like. Might be time to look within yourself to find the answer as to why you're projecting onto IQ.

posted January 28, 2010 08:25 PM         

thanks

posted January 28, 2010 09:52 PM         

I understanding all that from being like this myself with my Moon square Neptune and Mercury parallel Neptune. I also have Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint and Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint as well as Mercury square Geocentric South Neptune Node in Right Ascension.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 28, 2010 09:58 PM         

I am a believer that anybody can dislike somebody not because we have something wrong with us. I dislike white supremacists, but I don't share their racial prejudices. I am a believer in racial equality. I dislike men that beat women, but I don't beat women. there are many other examples.

I also believe that its possible that a person might dislike another person because they might have certain biological interactions that reflect in the synastry aspects.....which can be so-called personality clashes.

I also constantly read about people that dislike certain people because they don't like their energy that they believe that they are psychically picking up or have certain gut feelings about.

so I don't agree that we dislike people because we dislike what is inside us and that we're projecting.

other than that, I believe that what pire said to IQ is uncalled for.

I just want to give an alternative viewpoint about the reason why people dislike certain people.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 28, 2010 10:13 PM         

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so I don't agree that we dislike people because we dislike what is inside us and that we're projecting.

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posted January 28, 2010 10:34 PM         

I agree.....just like perhaps there are varying degrees of like

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 28, 2010 10:54 PM         

An astrologer is also a human that has his/her own life too. Yet someone who can give so much of his/her precious time to freely help others without anything in return is truly selfless and respectable.

posted January 29, 2010 03:51 AM         

Coming to this ABSOLUTELY VALID topic, one of the best examples of people who have been able to overcome negative effects of Moon sq Neptune and Pisces Moon effects is our own Glaucus. From Self Confusion [Neurodivergence manifestation?] to Self Awareness [comfort with one's views, knowing the right tools of growth, application of learning and now the next leap of forming a non-profit organization] is very encouraging and inspiring for anyone who has difficult aspects.

We have got feedback about lying from some Librans. Again, for those specific cases could it be because of the other afflictions further confusing a Libran mind already struggling to balance many viewpoints ?

Many lie from fear, fear stems from insecurity, insecurity is heavily Lunar and now I am ranting like Yoda...

I would add Libra Sun or Moon in 2nd House or 6th House afflicted by Neptune as another potential for Un-intentional tendency to lie. But not to deceive.

Deception is a totally different ball game. Deception is for gain. Lying is for escaping.

posted January 29, 2010 06:01 AM         

"people with hard Neptune aspects could also be disorganized,get confused/disoriented easily,spacy and be absentminded and have problems with linear things like linear time and sequences. That could mislead others into thinking that they are lying or being deceptive. "
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That is very profound.

I have Sun-Neptune conjuction by less than a degree. I can be very absent-minded, just the other day I lost my bus ticket and could not recall at all where I left it.

I also have my "moods" of when to clean my room and lately, lets just say, as long as I find my way to the bed, I am happy( disgusting I know)

posted January 29, 2010 07:22 AM         

i love her dearly and i know she doenst do that to harm or to deceit. i jst wanted to understand why she does that,cause seems that she always have been like this...could lying be a patological thing?

her placements are:

-Moon cj IC aqua square venus
- sun/marc/merc GEM IN 8TH.
- Sun/marc square Uranus/Pluto in the 11th
- Lie in 5th skuare Neptune
- Swindle square DNA
- Neptune square DNA

..i dont know what im looking for...but maybe the asteroids tells something.

posted January 29, 2010 07:39 AM         

I think everyone lies to some degree for some reason at some time. The varying degree is irrelevant, it's still a lie - even if it was for a good or justifiable reason or cause.

posted January 29, 2010 07:52 AM         

yes i agree..everybody lies but depens on the lie and how many times we lie

there are those like "no..you´re trully beautiful" when someone we love is trying new clothes,or " im ok" when someone asks us what is the matter and we dont want to say...

posted January 29, 2010 08:31 AM         

This is with-holding information to some, therefore it is deception to some. To me it is not.

posted January 29, 2010 08:48 AM         

i know what you mean..i have merc in 12th and it is true-i tend do hide my own thoguths.it is a matter of insecurity.

but that is not necessarily lying or deceip.it is a way of keeping our things to ourselves,it is our private nature to be so...

although i really want to improve myself and start to be more open,more confident in what my ideas and ideals are.