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Spanky Butler
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posted January 28, 2010 02:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jane was wanting to discuss this topic astrologically so I will start by adding my aspects & then my sons.


Jane you mentioned my Moon cnj the GC which is correct & I would ad that this is also cnj my MC. I have Venus in Scorpio/8th cnj Psyche. Pisces AC 12th.

Other indicators I didn't know about until yesterday are Black Moon cnj Moon. Here is what the report says about this aspect.

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likely to be easy access to clairvoyance
and higher aspects of spiritual Sight.

Pluto square Black Moon

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can strongly reinforce the occult nature of Pluto,
giving tremendous insight into the hidden mysteries of life and
sharp astral energy in plenty.

Moon sextile Uranus

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Moon is the planet of intuition and imagination,
Uranus that of third eye flashes and supermind inspiration. The
association of the two can lead to great insights into non-physical
realities, as well as visions of the future.

So from my natal I can see that there are many different pieces that work toward the same goal. So what I take from this is a cohesive blending of these aspects that are showing me that there can be a myriad of clues in our charts pointing to psychic ability. Having the ability in itself is no guarantee that our lives will be any better & in fact can be quite the opposite in my opinion. I found in the early years that these gifts were a burden that had me questioning my own sanity.

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posted January 28, 2010 02:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 9 yr old son is a Cap Sun, gem Moon & Sag AC with Venus in Pisces who is incredibly gifted spiritually if I may say so. Of course I'm his mother so I would say that lol.

His aspects as such are.....


Neptune conjunct Black Moon (orb: 0°50’)

An aspect which can strongly reinforce the mystical nature of Neptune, and add metaphysical dimension to its inspiration. The combination can be highly prophetic.


Jupiter trine Neptune is another one

Venus sq Jupiter

High priest/priestess character:
On a spiritual level the Venus-Jupiter combination brings the ability
to connect with high spiritual beings. It is therefore one of the
‘high priest/priestess’ combinations.
In the same line, it can also bring psychic and healing abilities, and is
quite favourable for developing spiritual vision.

He also Moon trine Uranus in tight orb.


The abilities we both have bring greater bonding imo due us both knowing what the other is feeling. We cannot hide from each other & it's a beautiful thing to experience.

Now I can't wait to see everyone else's aspects.

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posted January 28, 2010 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that transneptunian aspects could also be indicators for psychic ability

because transneptunians orbit beyond Neptune which is the planet that tends to be association with psychism, but mainly dissolution.....dissolving the boundaries.

going beyond Neptune, you get into the unknown,the other side,hidden

that's why Pluto tends to be associated with the occult which is a word that means hidden.

but Pluto has quite a few neighbors.....especially big ones like Eris (larger than Pluto),Makemake,Haumea which are all classed as dwarf planets as well as ones like Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion.

there are some big ones that aren't named too, especially 2007 OR10 which is nicknamed Snow White.

I'd use no more than 3 degree orbs for these objects. I'd give 2 degree orb for sextile. I'd say Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven,Mercury in aspect to these big transneptunians could be significant......especially if they are within 1 degree orb. for a sextile, 30 minutes. I'd focus more on only the ptolemaic aspects

I'd use the same orbs with Right Ascension which is Equatorial longitude,and it's a valid coordinate use. Astronomers use it along with declinations. I believe in using them for a multidimensional view of the sky.

Declinations can also be valid, but no more than 30 minutes of arc

Heliocentric,Geocentric Nodes of the big transneptunians can be valid. I'd use use no more than 1 degree orb. 30 minutes of arc can be very significant. focusing on only ptolemaic aspects


I believe that schizophrenics can also be strong in these energies too.

I think that it's just that the schizophrenics have psychic boundary issues,lack a filter to screen out stimuli. They tend to be hypersensitive types

I also believe that these energies are strong in people with neurological differences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,Aspergers,Autism which tend to involve hypersensitivity,sensory integration issues which tend to be linked to Omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies

the symptoms,traits of these neurological differences overlap with schizophrenic symptoms. Half of people with schizophrenia have history of neurodivergent symptoms like language,motor skills delays/problems. autism was once thought to be a type of schizophrenia.

I believe that a lot of people are misdiagnosed as schizophrenic. I believe that this is especially true for people with neurological differences and people that are open to psychiatrists about their metaphysical perceptions.

I believe that the Indigo,Crystal types which are mainly metaphysically oriented types that include many with neurological differences are also strong in transneptunian energy.


Raymond


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posted January 28, 2010 04:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome information Raymond!

I'll have a look at those transneptunian objects & snow white in both our charts a bit later when astro.com is finally over it's server issues.

Do you mind if I pick your brain a bit about what I find in our charts?

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posted January 28, 2010 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

cool....right on!

yeah....no problem!


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posted January 28, 2010 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anicia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never heard voices as a child, most of my experiences with those sort of things didn't kick in until I was about fourteen. However, before I went to bed I use to see these lights. They'd be all sorts of colors, and shapes and would just kind of float around my room. I never thought this was unusual, until I was talking to a friend a few months ago. They were just always there, but went away when I was about 10.

I have a newborn nephew who is always looking in the air at something, and laughing, particularly before bed. I have a feeling he may be seeing the lights, whatever they are. xD

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Anicia

I used to see them too when I was under 10 yrs, to me they looked like snow flakes in that each one of them were different. They were so intricate in design & I was always so mesmerized by them.

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They were like..balls of lights, and others were big, and wispy and moved around like lazers. They were VERY bright. I kind of miss them. I still see them sometimes, out of the corner of my eyes but only when I'm very emotional.

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posted January 28, 2010 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I have seen them, too, as a child.
And recently I started to see them again, now and then, shortly before falling asleep.
Very bright. I also see them as flashes, and sometimes it looks as if they are swimming and swirling into each other, making p attern.
Just like when you close your eyes, and you can see these colours behind your closed lids. You can see them, I think?
I never asked someone if they could see t hem, I just thought everyone sees them. lol


My mean black Moon is exactly conjunct Psyche (7 degree of my Moon). It is also exact sextile Merlin and sextiles Sun and Mercury, all on the GC.

Mean Black Moon is parallel Jupiter and contraparallel Chiron.


BTW Spanky, where did you find these interpretatons? They sound intriguing.


I really think in my case, Neptune on ASC and NN may be the strongest hint.

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these lights sound like what stuart wilde calls the "morph" a kind of intrusion of other dimensions into our own, and especially easy to see ... when lying in bed at night in a room with only the faintest light. he has spent decades training people not just to see but to enter the morph, and he believes it will be descending on all of us before long to help heal this dimension...

sometimes it looks like a dark cloud hovering midair about 2 feet above bed height...and the lights are swimming around in it. i definitely saw this cloud as a youngster and sometimes even now tho i tend to fall asleep too quickly to notice since i had my daughter!!

as far as seeing things and astrology, i have had sporadic appearances from beyond the "veil" since childhood...my first house pisces moon and 12th house jupiter retro have a lot to do with this i feel, plus my 5th house uranus which sextiles mercury to yod my ascendant in aqua..

i also have merlin conjunct sun, viviane at the IC. will have to look up what all else is going on that explains visioning in my chart...

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I used to hear voices too when I was a child, especially at nights before sleeping and sometimes in the middle of the night. They were more like whispers. I was also hearing footsteps on the carpet along with whispers. It was so frightening, I was sweating like hell in bed.

Because of intense fear I blocked them, I think.

Sun conjunct Eris 1
Moon conjunct Sedna 2
Asteroid Aura trine Varuna, and square Ixion/Quaoar
Ascendant conjunct Orcus 1

Glaucus,
Do you have an interpretation for these aspects?

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posted January 28, 2010 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes sense to me... i also have this ability and i have:

AC sextile osc. lilith (2)
mars cj osc. lilith (2)
telephus/psyche opp osc. lilith (1)
neptune opp lilith (1)
uranus quincunx moon (4)
pluto quincunx moon (0)
pluto trine osc. lilith (1)
jupiter sq neptune (0)
venus trine jupiter (4)
Aura cj MC (3)
Kaali cj regulus (0)

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posted January 28, 2010 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I regards to transneptunians, I will use myself as an example

I am very strong transneptunian type.
I am a neurodivergent(Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD). I can totally relate to the Indigo,Crystal personality. I resembled somebody as autism when I was a little child,and was even misplaced with the mentally retarded. I created my own sign language to communicate with others because nobody could understand my speech. I am, metaphysically oriented (I am not the type to be open metaphysical things about stuff because of psychiatry,and that's with anybody). I have been misdiagnosed as bipolar with schizoaffective disorder (it had nothing to do with hallucinations...it was the disorganization in my speech which was neurodivergent-related), I did talk about metaphysical experiences,Astrology,and reincarnation in the navy,and a navy doctor labeled me as a schizophrenic but a psychiatrist diagnosed me as having a schizotypal personality disorder which allowed me to stay in the navy. He told me "You're not crazy...just odd and unusual" He seemed very understanding and did what he had to do to keep me in the navy. He even told me that my rights were violated,and that I didn't have to come to him in the first place. He even said that the doctor that labeled me needs to be educated about psychiatric disorders.

i am just going to gove over my Ptolemaic aspects involving Sun,Moon,Midheaven/Imum Coeli Axis, and Ascendant/Descendant axis as well as Mercury which is mental activity

I use not only Ecliptic Longitude which is the regular chart coordinates that astrologers use but use also Declinations and Right Ascension which are the regular coordinates that astronomers use. I am a believer in a multidimensional view of the sky. After all, the sky is not as flat as the charts that we look at.

All objects have nodes which are just the intersection of the orbital planes of 2 objects.
Astronomers actually record the nodes of every object. Therefore, nodes of objects are relevant in Astrology.

Theodor Landscheidt was the pioneer of the use of geocentric planetary nodes in Astrology. Zipporah Dobyn followed him,and she wrote a book called THE NODE BOOK which has information about the nodes of the planets,Pluto(dwarf planet),the major 4 asteroids which include dwarf planet,Ceres.
Jeffrey Wolf Green uses geocentric planetary nodes in Astrology. The geocentric nodes of Jupiter and objects orbiting beyond Jupiter move very slowly, and so they are collective energies. Personal planet,points to geocentric nodes of objects are like personal,planet,points to the objects themselves. Personal planet,points to the nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond Jupiter are very significant because they are strongly connected to the collective.

The use of heliocentric planetary nodes in Astrology were used by Dane Rudhyar,Carl Payne Tobey,and Grant Lewi. They are used by Robert Blascke,Diana Rosenberg,and Pamela Rowe. All heliocentric nodes of objects move up to 1 degree per century,and so they are collective energies. Personal planet,points to the heliocentric nodes are very significant because they are strongly connected to the collective.


Modern Astrology, especially Psychological Astrology was based on the belief that Pluto was a planet. Pluto was discovered in 1930. Until the discovery of its Moon, Charon in 1978, Pluto was even thought to be as large as our Earth. That turned out to be false. It was found that Pluto was even much smaller than our Moon. In 1992, astronomers found that Pluto was not alone in the outer regions of the solar system. The Kuiper belt that was hypothesized by astronomer,Dr. Gerald Kuiper was confirmed. Soon after, they kept finding more and more transneptunian objects. They started finding big ones in 2000, and the debate against Pluto being a planet was stronger with each larger object discovered. Then finally in 2005, they found an object larger than Pluto. The can of worms that was already open, completely split with astronomers arguing among each other if Pluto was a planet or not. They forced to come up with definition for a planet, and even the definition was controversial. The dwarf planet criteria and Pluto's demotion were controversial. In 2006, the object that led to discord in the astronomical community,re-defining planetary criteria,controversy,and the demotion of Pluto was named Eris after the Greek Goddess of Discord.

IMHO The discoveries of the other big transneptunian objects and the discovery of Eris was the beginning of 21st Century Astrology which I believe is ruled by Eris.
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aspects to transneptunians
3'00 - conjunction,opposition,trine,square (1'00 - very significant, a dominant theme....conjunction,opposition,square - a major life challenge)
2'00 - sextile ('30 - very significant,a dominant theme)

In Declinations:
'30 - parallel,contraparallel ('15 - very significant,a dominant theme, a major life challenge)

aspects to nodes:
1'00 - conjunction,opposition,trine,square ('30 - very significant, a dominant theme theme.....conjunction,opposition,square - a major life challenge)
sextile - 30 ('15 - very significant,a dominant theme)

In my chart:

Ixion in 5'20 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio - '05 (very significant.....a dominant theme,a major life challenge)
trine Moon 3'11 Pisces

In Right Ascension:
Ixion in 6'53 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 3'02 Scorpio
trine Moon in 4'24 Pisces

(Moon trine Ixion narrower in ecliptic longitude)

Heliocentric Ixion Nodes in 10'43 Gemini/Sagittarius
conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli Axis in 11'14 Gemini (very significant...a dominant theme,a major life challenge)

Geocentric North Ixion in 11'45 Gemini
conjunct/oppose Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius (very significant...a dominant theme, a major life challenge)

(Both Geocentric North Ixion Node and Heliocentric Ixion Nodes aspect my Midheaven/Imum Coeli,and that's very significant)


Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Haumea in 11'17 Virgo
conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
square Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius - '03 (very significant....a dominant theme,major life challenge)

Orbital Period: 285.31 yr., with two moons, Hi'iaka and Namaka., 3rd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), orbital period w/Moon about 3.9 hours, cigar shaped object because of fast rotational period, 1200 km diameter? Hawaiian creation goddess.

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).


Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces - '10 (very significant......a dominant theme,major life challenge)

In Right Ascension:
Varuna in 2'57 Gemini
square Moon in 4'24 Varuna

(Moon square Varuna narrower in ecliptic longitude)

Geocentric South Varuna Node in 5'41 Capricorn
sextile Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Varuna: Vedic deity of vast power, particularly the waters. Orbital Period: 284.65 yr.

Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted

Negative - incompetent and blaming, laments losses, holds resentment


Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
trine Moon in 3'11 Pisces - '49 (very significant.......a dominant theme)

In Right Ascension:
Quaoar in 1'17 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 3'02 Scorpio

(Sun conjunct Quaoar is narrower in Right Ascension)

Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear


Eris in 12'15 Aries R
sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius - 1'01 (very significant,a dominant theme)

Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio
oppose Sun in 5'20 Scorpio - '10 (very significant, a dominant theme, a major life challenge)

Geocentric Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus
oppose Sun in 5'20 Scorpio - '10 (very significant, a dominant theme, a major life challenge)

Geocentric Eris Node in 5'29 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio Scorpio - '09 (very significant, a dominant theme, a major life challenge

(I was born during a period when the geocentric and heliocentric nodes were aligned with each other with the Sun aspecting them-----very significant)

Orbital Period: 556.65 yr., has lunar companion, 4th brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 3000 km diameter? (Pluto is estimated at 2320 Km).

Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.

Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

Sedna in 2'06 Taurus
sextile Moon in 3'11 Pisces

In Right Ascension:
Sedna in 3'46 Taurus R
oppose Sun in 3'02 Scorpio - '44 (very significant, a dominant theme, a major life challenge)
sextile Moon in 4'24 Pisces

(Moon sextile Sedna is narrower in Right Ascension)

Makemake in 16'20 Leo
square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
Orbital Period 309.00 yr., 2nd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 1,250 km diameter? From Rapa Nui. Pronounced maki-maki.

Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.


"Snow White" in 16'35 Aquarius
square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio

Geocentric North "Snow White" Node in 5'55 Pisces
trine Sun in 5'20 Scorpio

Orbital Period: 552.67 yr.

Positive: Self contained, compassionate, sensitive, empathetic. Strong sense of fairness. Uncompromising assessment of one’s spiritual state. When on task, amazingly enthusiastic. Believe in dharma/karma.

Negative: Easy to consume, compliant, co-dependent, striving for closeness while using distance and aloofness as a defense. Socially conscious to a fault, competitive. Lack of fairness. Selfish. Zealous. Rationalizing. Refusal to accept one’s position. Projecting nature. Sacrificial for fervent causes, often resentful of the sacrifice. Bitter about “life’s hand” or “lot.” Feeling of being marked or a target.

In Right Ascension:
Pluto in 7'10 Libra
trine/sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli Axis in 9'40 Gemini/Sagittarius

Geocentric South Pluto Node in 18'18 Capricorn
sextile Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio - '03 (very significant, a major life theme)

keywords:Transformation,regeneration,penetration,elimination,power

In Declinations:
Orcus 13'17 North
contraparallel Sun 13'18 South - '01 (very significant, a dominant theme, a major life challenge)


Orcus - A lord of the underworld. Orbital Period: 248.01 yr.

Positive: a person of one’s word, challenges broken promises, aligned with a spiritual creed, accountable for personal thought, word and deed

Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises



I am very strong in transneptunian energy including hard aspects.

I believe that the hard transneptunian aspects indicate not only history of traumatic experiences, extreme hypersensitivity(sensory integration issues common in neurodivergents),being easily misundertood due to complexity,but also my being secretive about my metaphysical experiences out of the need to protect myself......especially the hard aspects to the plutinos, Orcus and Ixion which are very similar to Pluto for all 3 have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune. They are only 1 to 2 years apart in orbit.


In regards to family stuff

Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis - the parental axis,family,roots

Moon - the mother

Sun - the father

Eris sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli,Haumea square Midheaven/Imum Coeli, Heliocentric Ixion Nodes conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis,Geocentric Ixion Node conjunct/oppose Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis could indicate my neurodivergent family, neurodivergence,metaphysical orientation runs strong in my family on both my mother and father's side. I never knew my father ,and my mother never knew her mother. This fits with the unknown,mystery of my roots,family with transneptunian hard aspects to Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. Traumatic experiences and psychiatric disorder diagnoses in the family also fit.

Moon trine Quaoar,Moon trine Ixion,Moon square Varuna,Moon sextile Sedna - my neurodivergent mother who is also metaphysically oriented, was even medicated with psychotics against her will when she was 12 by psychiatrists for overreacting,had traumatic experiences. My mom never knew her biological mother. This could fit with the unknown,mystery with transneptunian hard aspect to Moon.

Sun conjunct Quaoar,Sun conjunct Ixion,Sun contraparallel Orcus,Sun oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Eris Nodes,Sun conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node,Sun oppose Geocentric North Eris Node,Sun trine Geocentric "Snow White Node", Sun sextile Geocentric North Varuna Node - my neurodivergent father who spent time in prison for selling drugs, was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic by prison psychiatrists, a Black Creole born in Louisiana was raised to believe in Voodoo magick and spirits by his grandmother,was highly superstitious. I never knew my father. He disappeared out of my life when I was 1 1/2 years old. Therefore, he was unknown,mystery to me which fits with strong hard transneptunians to my Sun. His neurodivergence was more extreme than my mother's too. I feel that I inherited my neurodivergence more from him than from my mother. This fits with the extremely strong transneptunian-Sun energy.

as for Black Moon:

true Black Moon in 5'41 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
trine Moon in 3'11 Pisces

so my Sun trines Moon,and conjuncts the Moon's apogee (osculating), a very strong lunar influence. .......so strong emphasis on emotions,sensitivity,intuition...it could also indicate the extremely sensitive,emotional nature of my father.
I am a strong believer in women's rights.


Keywords for transneptunians by Philip Sedgwick who is one of the few astronomically oriented astrologers that specializes in transneptunians,centaurs. He also specializes in deep space objects,Heliocentric Astrology. His keywords aren't just based on the name's mythology but also the physical,orbital features of the object. He also gets insights from the sign of the Heliocentric North Node and the sign of Perihelion of the object during its discovery.
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

Raymond

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posted January 28, 2010 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"sometimes it looks like a dark cloud hovering midair about 2 feet above bed height"

YES, I was seeing that, or something like that, when I was 13 or 14 years old. It almost looked like a cloud or even a cloud of mist; I was pretty scared of it; not because I thought it was dangerous, but because noone except for me could see it.


And yes, the steps on the carpet - at first they freaked me out a little, and then they almost felt comforting.
Actually I started hearing steps on the carpet in m livingroom again

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Spanky -

Cool thread.

Looks like your son inherited Moon-Uranus contact from you.

I'm going to check out transneptunians & will be back as soon as I can to read this thread more closely.

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posted January 29, 2010 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I'm going to check out transneptunians & will be back as soon as I can to read this thread more closely."

please feel free to ask me questions,and I will answer to the best of my ability.

also you might want to consider the declinations and Right Ascension. Those are also important coordinates.

the geocentric and heliocentric nodes of the big transneptunians are collective transneptunian energies. People with personal planets,points in aspect to heliocentric,geocentric transneptunian nodes will have strong connection to the collective energy of the transneptunian.
for example with Sun oppose/conjunct heliocentric Eris Nodes,conjunct geocentric South Eris Node,and oppose geocentric North Eris Node, I have very strong connection to the collective energy of Eris.

you can use the following page to check Right Ascension,Declinations,and the nodes of objects.
http://www.true-node.com/pos/


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posted January 29, 2010 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Winged Leo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus,
Thank you for the keywords of transneptunians.

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posted February 02, 2010 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 02, 2010 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Spanky -

First off, I'm crushing on your chart. No wonder I enjoy your posts so much. I don't even mind anymore that you stole Gerry from me. (You may not realize this - neither does he - but he was mine for a time. ) What degrees are your Pisces Asc and Scorpio Venus?

It must've been frightening and isolating having your experiences when you were young. You GC people sure put a lot on your shoulders. I'm glad your son has you.

About the aspects...I wasn't surprised to see Jupiter-Neptune make an appearance in your son's list. The precise way that contact plays out varies but it usually has an otherworldly feel to it. The communication isn't condensed like with Mercury. It's more like Jupiter just knows certain things, understands the big picture and easily "hears" the messages within it.

In synastry, it's had a telepathic feel for me. Again, not in the sense of hearing the other person's words. Instead it's more like you sync up with each other's psyche. You can communicate with the smallest gestures because you're on the same wavelength. Even when physically apart, you can sense the other person.

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posted February 02, 2010 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus -
Thanks! A generous offer that I will take you up on.

You advised to focus on ptolemaic aspects, but what I immediately noticed are two yods.

~Ixion and Venus pointing to Varuna.
~Varuna and Eris pointing to Ixion.

All are at the same degree, 13.
Ixion is in my first house. Varuna is in my 8th cnj my Vertex.

Ptolemaic:
Eris square Venus. (0 deg) [Eris 6th house, Venus 3rd]
MakeMake square Mercury. (1 deg)
MakeMake cnj Moon. (2.5 deg)
Sedna cnj DSC. (0 deg)
Sedna trine Mars. (2.5 deg)
Haumea square Sun-Neptune. (1-2 deg)
Ixion cnj Quacar and sextile Venus. (0 deg)
Varuna cnj Vertex. (1 deg)


Declinations:
Orcus parallel Jupiter. (1 minute)
Ixion contra-p Pluto. (10 minutes)

Geocentric Nodes:
Eris NN cnj my DSC. (5 minutes)
MakeMake SN cnj my Neptune. (1 deg 0 min)
Nessus SN cnj my ASC and Angel (0 deg)
--Nessus is also square my Sun/Moon mp (1 deg)

Heliocentric Nodes:
Eris SN cnj my ASC, NN cnj my DSC (0 deg)

RA:
Eris opp my Pluto. (0 deg)
MakeMake cnj my Mars. (0 deg)

I'm going to read through the interps you've already posted to make sense of this. If anything here jumps out at you, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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posted February 02, 2010 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Glaucus. While reading about transneptunians I got sidetracked by Nodes. I wanted to check if I'm understanding how you use them.

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The geocentric nodes of Jupiter and objects orbiting beyond Jupiter move very slowly, and so they are collective energies. Personal planet,points to geocentric nodes of objects are like personal,planet,points to the objects themselves. Personal planet,points to the nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond Jupiter are very significant because they are strongly connected to the collective.

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All heliocentric nodes of objects move up to 1 degree per century,and so they are collective energies. Personal planet,points to the heliocentric nodes are very significant because they are strongly connected to the collective.

So personal contact with all helio nodes and with geocentric nodes of Jupiter and beyond deal with collective issues.

Contact with geo nodes before Jupiter deal with personal issues. The lunar Nodes, for example, tell us about our specific path.

So would you say that the collective nodes deal with humanity's path & an individuals role in that, while the personal nodes deal with an individual's private path? Would it make sense to say the collective nodes are about the outer 10th house world while the personal nodes are about the inner 4th house world?

I have three situations where the Helio and Geo Nodes aspect my chart in the same way. What do you think it means when the same parts of our chart touch the collective and personal Nodes? In my case, it's the Sun, Asc, and Vertex.

1.
Venus SN cnj my Sun

2.
Uranus NN cnj my Vertex

3.
Eris SN cnj my DSC

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posted February 02, 2010 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jane,

I also have a Yod of Ixion sextile Venus and both quinkunx Varuna.

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posted February 02, 2010 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"So personal contact with all helio nodes and with geocentric nodes of Jupiter and beyond deal with collective issues.

Contact with geo nodes before Jupiter deal with personal issues. The lunar Nodes, for example, tell us about our specific path.

So would you say that the collective nodes deal with humanity's path & an individuals role in that, while the personal nodes deal with an individual's private path? Would it make sense to say the collective nodes are about the outer 10th house world while the personal nodes are about the inner 4th house world?"

Yeah....you worded it better than I did too.

"I have three situations where the Helio and Geo Nodes aspect my chart in the same way. What do you think it means when the same parts of our chart touch the collective and personal Nodes? In my case, it's the Sun, Asc, and Vertex.

1.
Venus SN cnj my Sun

2.
Uranus NN cnj my Vertex

3.
Eris SN cnj my DSC"


I am confused by your question. I see that all 3 involve conjunctions though.


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posted February 02, 2010 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD -

So shocking. YAWN!!!

Raymond -

Sorry. I don't even know what I was saying there.

It's like how you have your Sun cnj both the Helio and Geo Eris Nodes. How would it be different if you had your Sun cnj only one of those Nodes?

Similarly, my Sun is cnj both the Helio and Geo Venus Nodes. My Vertex is cnj the the Helio and Geo Uranus Nodes. And my DSC is cnj both the Helio and Geo Eris Nodes.

Should I simply think of this as Venus, Uranus, and Eris energies having a strong impact on me?

edit: Basically, I'm having a tough time thinking about the way we would experience a collective node. Maybe that's because we don't experience it; it's about other people experiencing us? I apologize if this is incoherent gibberish, just brainstorming with my fingers.

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posted February 02, 2010 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"You advised to focus on ptolemaic aspects, but what I immediately noticed are two yods.

~Ixion and Venus pointing to Varuna.
~Varuna and Eris pointing to Ixion."

yeah....yods are significant. harmonic patterns are significant

In my Right Ascension chart:

I have Eris in 19'32 Aries R

Yod of Eris quincunx a Venus-Haumea sextile, and so Eris oppose Venus/Haumea midpoint in 19'49 Libra

8th Harmonic Triangle of Eris semisquare a Moon-Saturn square, and so Eris conjunct Moon/Saturn midpoint in 19'00 Aries

so Moon/Saturn and Venus/Haumea are in opposition to each other,and that is what's called a planetary picture.


so Eris = Moon/Saturn = Venus/Haumea


Raymond


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