posted February 01, 2010 10:29 PM         

My Venus 14'22 Gemini"

ummmmm

I'd be concerned about that t-square.....especially seeing close in orb it

He has Venus-Mars conjunction which indicates a passionate love nature,and it squares Uranus.....and so that passionate love nature and independence,liberation,detachment,change are in conflict. It also squares Chiron which can indicate a maverick nature that involves dealing with wounds,pain. The passionate love nature combines with independence,detachment,change,being maverick,wounds,pain

Your Venus is conjunct his Chiron and so your love nature merges with his matters involving wound,pain,healing but it forms a T-Square with his Venus-Mars square Uranus ,and so your love nature is in great stress,conflict with his passionate love nature that involves independence,detachment,change. There is a possibility of his past wounds being unexpectedly triggered by you.

It seems like a strong possibility that relationship is full of sudden changes,unpredictability,and instability. There could be a possibility that he could make changes in a relationship, maybe even change of partners. It could be an on and off relationship. For the relationship to work out well, he would need much space and independence and to make things interesting,exciting for him or else he could get bored,restless, and create change that disturb the stability in relationship. He could even end the relationship and get another partner.

all aspects in the t-square are within 1 degree including especially your Venus oppose his Uranus with only 18 minutes of arc (I use 2 degrees as maximum orb for Uranus). It's definitely a main theme and a main challenge in the relationship.

I wish you good luck

free will is the ultimate factor.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 02, 2010 12:49 PM         

Yeah...If I saw t-square like that with a woman,I wouldn't have gotten involved with her. If I saw that synastry for others, I'd just warn them of the possible great challenges that the t-square indicates as well as ways to make the aspect work.

Did he feel the same way as you felt for him?

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 02, 2010 01:00 PM         

I don't thought it was your outlook on people. You don't like racism. That you say are one another kind of racism.... It's the same but used in another way.

posted February 02, 2010 01:15 PM         

I just pretty much said that I don't want to be with a woman that a form a synastry Venus-Uranus t-square with because I want a stable, long term,traditional marriage.

Having preferences for something doesn't make me a racist of any kind.

I also said that with synastry for others,I'd warn them of the great challenges that the t-square indicates and how to make it work. So I wouldn't dissuade others from being with others because of the t-square. It's their decision to make. Not mine.

it's just different for me because it's my life. It's like if I don't want to be with a person that smokes and drinks alcoholic beverages, then I am not going to be with her. If I don't want to be with a person that doesn't like children, then I am not going to be with her. If a woman doesn't want to be with me because I do things that she doesn't like or I don't do things that she likes, that's fine with me too. It's her life.

Some people prefer to be with the opposite sex,and some others prefer to be with the same sex. some people prefer to be with a person with similar religious,spiritual beliefs,and some people prefer to be with a person that different spiritual,beliefs. Some people prefer to be with person of the same race,and some people prefer to be with person of a different race. Some people prefer to be with person of the same nationality,and some people prefer to be with foreigners. Some people prefer to be with person of the same education level,and some people prefer to be with person of different education level.

I see nothing wrong for a person to have preferences. I think it becomes a problem if the person tries to make other people prefer what they prefer.

I believe that everybody has a particular preference except for people that don't identify with form and are completely transcendental and detached from the ego.

It's just being human.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 02, 2010 01:32 PM         

Can you find a chart without hard aspect... OK we all have dreams!!!!

I think it's wrong to warn other people because of a chart= that's for me crazy. That's to say the same for me ...if I warn my children to be with some with another color of the skin.

posted February 02, 2010 01:45 PM         

I was specifically talking about hard Uranus aspects, especially those that are under 1 degree.

I don't want those hard Uranus aspects in synastry with me..especially Uranus in hard aspects to my Venus and Moon (triggering my t-square).

That's my preference, especially with my desire for a long term,stable,and traditional marriage.

I am a believer in biological interactions which people call "chemistry" which is reflected by our synastries. I believe that certain energies match well, and some don't. There are people that believe that certain people make them sick literally. Maybe they feel a certain negativity when they are around them. That could be reflected by their synastry aspects and maybe even the composite chart. I believe that this was the case with my mother and how she felt around my stepfather. I feel in some ways that is the case with with my mother and me.

aspects tend to play one way or another......especially when they are very close orbed aspects.

any ways

different strokes for different folks
to each,his/her own

also I see nothing wrong for warning people about certain challenges that hard aspects in synastry show in the chart. That's just mainly telling them about how those aspects work depending on the planets,angles that are involved and the aspect. If it's hard aspects, then the potential challenges are discussed. Those are the warnings. I would want astrologers to do the same for me too. I am not into sugarcoating and telling people what they want to be told. I don't want astrologers doing that with me.

posted February 02, 2010 01:46 PM         

But that is the very nature of astrology.
We attribute certain meanings to certain constellations and communicate that to people who want to know.

And a T-square of Venus, Mars, Uranus is the composition of the meanings of Venus, Mars, Uranus and the squares.
And one meaning of Uranus IS unpredictability, sudden changes, going up and down.
Relate that to the symbolism of Venus and Mars, both primary relationship planets, and the high energy indicated by the squares, and one interpretation you get is intense and dynamic (square) sudden changes and unpredictability (Uranus) in a sexual (Mars) relationship (Venus).

posted February 02, 2010 01:57 PM         

These are one of the reasons why I rarely answer stuff on synastry and composites in astrology forums.

I'd rather stick to just answering natal,transit,secondary progression,solar arc,solar return,lunar return stuff.

sighs

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 02, 2010 02:00 PM         

Yes that's true. There are a lot of people who have the aspect. For me it are to generalize. It's not sure the individual have the problem who talks about here. I think everything have 2 sides. You can never know how far the individual are in there owns
growth.

posted February 02, 2010 02:54 PM         

"It's not sure the individual have the problem who talks about here."
No, of course not. It is only ONE way to interprete this aspect. But no matter how we try to twist things, we cannot change the meanings of the planets (meaning: Uranus will NEVER signify stable commitment or emotional nurturing).
Uranus will be expressed in some way; it doesn`t have to be sudden departures and breaking up with each other; there could be also a lot of stimulating energy aroused, a lot of fascination. BUT Uranus will be expressed.

Also, we have to see if there are other influences like similiarly strong Saturn and MOon aspects, which would modify the expression.

"I will never warn someone from him."
I think you misunderstand what Glaucus is trying to say (assuming that I understand - and I could be wrong, too).
But I think it is not about warning someone from a PERSON, but just pointing out some challenges that could come with this particular configuration. And then it is up to the people how they want to work with it.

For example: in this case if these people want to stay together, then they maybe should be aware of this electric dynamic in their relationship-synastry and accept it that this relationship probably will never be boring or following the same path over a long period of time. Maybe both people will need some space from each other now and then, and if they have, the relationship can work out superbly.

Some people even NEED and WANT this. Probably those with strong Uranus-aspects natally. For these people such a dynamic would be pretty fulfilling.
But if you were a person who actually wants a smooth, nearly boring (this is of course a judgement from my Aquarius-Moon side. ), unexciting, but very stable and very calm course of the relationship, you could be overwhelmed with the Uranian dynamic.

That doesn`t mean that you couldn`t handle it in a relationship, but it will take work and awareness. And astrology can give us this awareness.

posted February 02, 2010 03:34 PM         

I agree with you 100 percent. That's exactly what I meant.

if she bothered to read this last part
" as well as ways to make the aspect work.",

maybe she wouldn't have got on my ass, telling me off and comparing me to a racist.

also, strong hard Uranus aspect synastry to be very stressful for me. I am already the type that is prone to stress. I like a relationship to be long term,secure,and stable. That's important for my mental health.

I am just an ordinary many that wants to get married,have children, and die an old man with my wife,children,grandchildren,and even great grandchildren by my side.

I hope to cut the family chain in regards to relatives in my family being divorced as well as cutting the chain in regards to children not knowing one of their parents like my mom never knew her mother and I never knew my father. I am for breaking family patterns/cycles.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 02, 2010 03:45 PM         

He seems to have very contradicting character-traits.

On the one hand his Venus and Mars, in strong aspect to Uranus.
On the other hand his Moon in strong aspect to Saturn. (What is with his Sun btw?)

So, three personal planets are modified by very antagonistic energies, Saturn and Uranus, which could result in strong inner tensions inside of him.
It`s like in a relationship he is seeking the Uranian dynamic, love at first sight, excitement, but also freedom, a lot of space etc..
But deep inside he has emotional insecurities (Moon-Saturn).
It`s almost like he WANTS (Venus and Mars) fluctuations, fascination, elecric, yet unpredictable attraction (Uranus) - btw that doesn`t even have to be a conscious thing-, but deep inside he NEEDS (Moon) stability, the feeling of belonging (Moon in Taurus), security, much much much security (Saturn), and may even have his depressive moods, because he feels (Moon) no matter what he does or who he is, he is not enough, not good enough (Saturn).

IN a positive way, this Saturnian streak could of course be a stabilizing factor. Maybe find a relationship with a committed frame (Saturn), in which both people experience a lot of freedom to be themselves (Uranus).

Anyway, now with your Jupiter on his Moon, you could probably do wonders to his insecurities.
My best friend``s husband has his Jupiter exact on her Moon, and he has always been her biggest fan. His encouragement and support has really helped her a lot to gain trust in her own feelings as well as their relationship.

posted February 02, 2010 04:09 PM         

Ven: 21 sag 04'24" to sat: 23 Pis 00' 21" and uranus: 24 vir 09' 58"

I'm really interested in your answer, because this is mine, and I am always the one cheated on and left. I can be faithful for years and years, and I have, until someone else is unfaithful, and then all bets are off.

posted February 02, 2010 04:24 PM         

Sun/Moonmp conjunct Sun or Moon is thought to be a strong attraction factor.

" also think its interesting how those intense/exact aspects between us involve the rulers of our 1st/7th houses."

Which aspects do they make? And whose 1st and whose 7th house ruler is it?

And yes I agree; actually I think it is one of the MOST significant connections, if the 1st and 7th house ruler are in strong aspect to each other.
1st house is the house of Self, 7th house is the house of the natural partner.

posted February 02, 2010 04:32 PM         

Well My chart ruler is
Venus in Gemini 14'22

My seventh house ruler is
Mars in Pisces 22'5 (not as close an orb tho)

His chart ruler is
Venus in Virgo 13'25

His Co ruler of the seventh house is
Mars in Virgo 14'34

I'm Libra/Aries and he's Taurus/Scorpio

But the aspects are square...

My chart ruler squares the ruler of his first house AND the co ruler of his seventh house.