posted March 05, 2010 07:13 AM         

I do think synastry tells a big part of the story; but not a single aspect; I think it`s rather about patterns coming up. And I fear that too often we can`t see or grasp completely what we are looking at.
We are still learning.

In lara`s case, I agree on a first - more traditional-glance, especially if you see the aspects in an isolated way, it doesn`t seem so outstanding.

On a second glance I see:

a DW on Venus-Pluto, and if it is true and she has an Aries ASC it means that it affects both her 7th and 8th house rulers.

SN conjunct Saturn and Neptune
NN conjunct Eros

Valentine conjunct Amor

Venus / Eros conjunct ASC
Pluto trine ASC
Neptune conjunct DESC

A very strong linked EXACT soulmate aspect of Psyche / Eros to each other`s ASC

Eros conjunct Moon / Venus,

so definitely a strong emphasis on Eros (with connections to ASC, Moon, Venus, nodal axis) - which consequently leads to a Grand Trine involving Eros-Psyche-NN in composite - THAT is what I mean with finding patterns!

BTW for me it is not so important to find out astrologically if a couple is soulmates or twinflames (even though it is interesting), but to see where the emphasis lies.
In very spiritually oriented relationships Neptune will often play a big (positive) role; but sometimes Neptune is so unearthy that it "platonicises" couples (of course that is not a 100 percent rule, there are other ways of neptunian expression).
Pluto is just as spiritual as Neptune, BUT the deeply spiritual transformational energy of Pluto seems to almost "sexualize" a couple, or let`s say, instill such a strong passion in people,t hat it often is expressed in sexual ways, too.

Eros of course implies a more erotic relationship; Psyche and Amor can be completely loving, intuitive, and platonic (unless coupled with Eros for example).

As I said, it`s all about finding patterns.

posted March 05, 2010 08:13 AM         

this is just from a glance,and later i+ll come back to see closely but---- that couple have outstanding sinastry both trop and draco..

better wait for IQ on this but i would say they are TF...they have Atlantis/ASC cj both sides.

venus/valentine cj others karma

in composite

lovely sun/moon cj.
juno cj karma
vertex on dsc cj ceres...
venus pose mars
pallas cj vesta in 5th.

draconic

moon cj kiron is very binding.probably an emotional wound as happened in the past

atlantis cj Valentine wowo!!

vertex cj vesta-devotion to each other

osiris/mc cj osiris
NODE cj otherīs isis
oneīs isis cj otherīs node - DW very rare i guess

psyche also cj others node

one pluto/venus cj otherīs IC

oneīs amor/ASc cj otherīs amor/eros

one+s atlantis cj others dsc...
and i just looked at conjunctions!

Seems a very loving,intense,and deep relationship.no doubt that they were together in Atlatnis as lovers.

posted March 05, 2010 08:34 AM         

That being said - If this is you - and you do have great sex.. then F@k astrology!

lol

LOL Vapor
If you ever see an unaspected planet in synastry--would one of your first places to look would be another person aspecting it?

posted March 05, 2010 09:57 AM         

quote:

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a DW on Venus-Pluto, and if it is true and she has an Aries ASC it means that it affects both her 7th and 8th house rulers.

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Patterns are so cool, totally with you there

posted March 05, 2010 10:17 AM         

"Do you see these charts as Twin Flame, DD?"

Actually I do not like this question (or answering it) anymore; there are so many things "meddled" about that concept.

Some say your twinflame always stays in the spiritual sphere,g uiding you from there.
Some say, your twinflame stays in the spiritual sphere, except for the last incarnation.
Some say twinflames do great spiritual work on earth, and that that "mission" is more important than any personal involvement.
Some say twinflames will have "heaven on earth", when they find each other.
Some say twinflame relationships almost always "crash and burn", because the intensity is too much to handle.
Some say oyur twinflame has the exact same energy as you, some say it is your exact complimentary counterpart.

Even if all these thoughts / ideas illuminate one little piece of the whole twinflame concept, they are so different, that there will be different astrological scenarios reflecting this. And maybe twinflames will not be reflected in the charts at all. Maybe they are the little something that we can`t grasp through astrology.

Personally, if I think of Twinflames, I always think of the Yin-Yang symbol and I am inclined to think that they are complimentary counterparts.

But I could be wrong. Maybe this is not what twinflames are.
Maybe I am right.

I just feel like everyone has their OWN idea of twinflames, and when I tell someone: Oh this chart looks like twinflames, it is an expression of MY idea of twinflames (which could be right or wrong); but they receive it in terms of THEIR idea of twinflames, which could be different from mine. So we would be talking about two different things.

So first I need a real definition of twinflames, before I can translate it into astrological symbolism.

PERSONALLY I believe that twinflames will have zero degree conjunctions, oppositions (and maybe antiscion / contrascion-connections), with an occasional exact trine to stabilize the intense merging of the conjunctions or complimentary polarity of the opposition.

Since ASC is the point of our birth, our anchor into this incarnation, I believe that a Twinflame will of course share exact aspects with the ASC, probably conjunction or opposition.

The IC is the deepest core of our personality, our "soul", so I think soulmates / soulgroups will have a strong IC-connection (conjunctions or oppositions again) - and since Twinflames of course are of the same soulgroup, they would also have this.

And then, since I personally think that Twinflames are of complimentary energy, there have to be complimentary aspects and those IQ described as "soulmate" pairings.

Apart from the tropical charts, I would definitely consider the heliocentric charts, too. If the heliocentric chart reflects the "Higher Self" and "Christ consciousness" and Twinflames are of course connected on that level,too; not only helio to tropical, but also helio to helio - conjunctions again. (and as far as I have seen for some reason helio-helio interaspects are not as often as you would believe or find in Draco / tropical).

And for some reason I strongly believe, that the ruler of 4th, 8th and 12th house will play a vital role, or at least significant planets will fall into these houses.

Nothing of that will tell for certain if two people are indeed twinflames; we need more than just a chart for that.

But the more exact strong connections and especially patterns they have, the more rare this kind of connection will be, and the more likely they will be soulmates, cause I do not believe that the sky shows us these patterns just as mere coincidence.

posted March 05, 2010 10:42 AM         

Moon conjuncts Uranus, which is equivalent of a conjunction of 8th house ruler and 4th house ruler, indicating a very deep soulful bond, maybe intensely transformative.
This conjunctions falls into the 10th house in one case and near to the MC in the other case; so in some ways this bond may become "public" or is a support in their calling / career / social environment.

Venus and Valentine conjunct Karma in 4th and 5th house speaks of a past life relationship, definitely, with Venus and Valentine and 5th house involved, it must feel very romantic, like true love.

On a first glance I don`t see extraordinarily strong conjunctions to ASC or IC though, except for Atlantis on the ASC.
Chiron is on the IC, which seems a very vulnerable placement; it could bring hurt as well as healing into the home / family / soul.

Personally I like to see conjunctions to the ASC / DESC of:
Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, IC, nodal axis, ruler of ASC and DESC; I am not sure about the role Neptune and Pluto, but if very exact conjunct ASC and DESC they could denote a very spiritual connection; Neptune and Pluto are like Venus and Mars with a spiritual dimension.

Of asteroids I would like to see conjunctions of:
Eros, Psyche, Juno, Amor, Valentine, Union, Angel

And even more so I would like to see soulmate aspects linked through the ASC. With that I mean something like:
His ASC conjunct her Amor
Her ASC conjunct his Psyche

(I picked this example, cause sometimes people forget that Amor and Psyche are a soulmate couple, too. )

posted March 05, 2010 11:21 AM         

As far as your assessment of these charts, agree.. although i know you didn't say this, i personally don't see a Twin Flame union here - firstly because of the lack of axis cj's and i think there would be something BIG on the MC's.

posted March 05, 2010 12:27 PM         

but i sure like to see TF here...i like to think that they are coming together now,in these current times.

im a hopeless romantic yup girls...

But you know...this thing about TF/TS SM...is very very complex.

Since IQ told me that me and john are true love soulmates that will reunite in the next reencarnation as TF....i dont know nothin anymore about how to see aspects of that...

So....i would wait on IQīs saying...i think Sabyans will tell a lot,in the case of wether are TF Or not.

posted March 05, 2010 01:34 PM         

I think the criteria for Twin Flames is partly this:
1. Both have had highly spiritual lives from birth and have turned their backs totally on EGO and MATERIALISM.

2. Both have had severe and challenging existences beginning with parents and transcending into to relationships with other people.

3. Both have, for the last 12 years (maybe more) been working solely on their ascension whether consciously or subconsciously.

4. Both have achieved sufficient dharma to enable the Twin Flame to re-unite.

5. Both felt exactly and in totality the same in each other when they were joined in their present lifetime.

posted March 05, 2010 10:10 PM         

Thanks for your wonderful insight.
And yes I think they're TF if my definition of SO is akin to Lara's TF, but the FOREMOST reason is NOT because of their charts but because of my GUT FEELING --- I had a very strong gut feeling that she is definitely his SO when I first saw her !!
(However,I'll also consider they're TF/SO when looking at their chart)

I believe in my instincts very much as TOO many tests & exams when I was in school had already confirmed that to me LOL
And the same with you Lara --- if you believe in your instinctual feeling that he is your TF then that's fine --- my gut feeling says you've worked through most of your karma and you have little karma now

Back to your synastry aspects,
I also have psyche-asc exact conj with someone
I remember that aspect in you synastry, but I missed the eros-AC conj, well this DW and dr MC -tr DC conj is really significant
I also like the valentine-amor/venus-pluto aspects and I have these links with that man:
his Amor bi-quintile my Valentine(0)
my Valentine quintile his Amor(1)
Venus-Pluto Novile DW(0)
(Also have Venus-Pluto Novile in composite/davison/marks chart of both. I've found Yin-Yang Novile Aspect very significant)
However the couple in this thread have the most wonderful valentine-amor-venus-pluto links I've ever seen !!
I'm interested in telephus link too. I have telephus-telephus exact trine with that man.
And of course the venus-sun/moon conj is very good. I would count the solstice valentine-sun/moon conj only if there're parallel links.

posted March 05, 2010 10:25 PM         

Thank you for the feedback

And I would say NN opp NN in Tropical is also a very strong TF indicator. I regard this aspect a twin soul aspect Although in this case the orb is a little too wide but it certainly adds quite much significance to this relationship, especially when combined with the isis conj SN DW

As for the Composite, I'm particularly fascinated by the sun-valentine exact square and the amor-venus exact trine !!!
The love feeling is certainly very deep and that's what I see to be SO or TF
sun-valentine in square indicate the feeling is acute to the extent that not totally comfortable, though.

posted March 05, 2010 11:05 PM         

her osiris exact conj his IC
her venus/mars MP conj his IC(1)
her venus/valentine exact trine his ASC and combined with her karma form a perfect grand trine

posted March 05, 2010 11:39 PM         

quote:

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If you ever see an unaspected planet in synastry--would one of your first places to look would be another person aspecting it?

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lol
Yes I'd look for another person and I'd turn my relationship into a threesome jk

I think unaspected planets work very differently in natal charts as opposed to synastry (his own Mars is unaspected here also btw.. I just noticed that).

When you have an unaspected planet in natal you'll attract people whose planets aspect it.. as you've noticed yourself Ami.

But when all your planets are in aspect.. and another person's planets are also in aspect - in the natal chart..

posted March 05, 2010 11:43 PM         

Maybe not..

I'm only going by own experience really.
As I said I'm an Aries with Capricorn Mars and Piscean influence (like her).
My ex is a Libra - Libra Venus and Aquarius Jupiter (Virgo Mars!)
I lack air. He lacks fire.
Same situation lol - I guess we complemented each other.
He does aspect my Mars though. His Asc is exactly conj my Mars. We're still in touch.

He is a good man and I care about him, but I could never describe him as the love of my life.

posted March 06, 2010 01:48 AM         

I'm excited to know another female-aries/male-libra combination
This is one of my typical "sun-sign combinations"--others are female-taurus/male-pieces and female-sag/male cancer etc.