posted April 10, 2010 07:41 AM         

i dont know really how to describe it.

it is right at the end of the 1st so i dont know if it counts in the 1st or 2nd?

it is 27Libra and my 2ndcusp is 1Scorpio.

So Pluto is in my 1st and rules my 2nd house.

i guess it makes me very changeable in appearance with time.

i can say that with 26year old i dont seem the same person i was before.

im very into fashion and arts,i love to look at the mirror and match my exterior with all the changes that undergo with my interior.

it´s like there is a time always in my life that i feel the need to reestructure myself,cause somewhere down the line,that change appeared intimately,and now i have to transform that into my appearance too.

some say that this placement gives charisma and some magnetic appearance...that i dont know,but i draw a lot of attention when i enter in ar oom,but that is beacause of my fashion style which i consider pretty unique.

i have saturn cj it too so imagine what a walking paradow i am

i need pluto there to chanhe the saturnian appearance...im not as serious as i should be cause of that.

thank god!

i already have the virgo sun,i dont need a saturn in 1st to add some more criticism of mine to my own Self ...ahahahah

about the rulers:

"Ruler of the 2nd House in the 1st House

The anxiety about earning your own money already was generated in your youth, probably by your family upbringing. Your financial income is directly related to your own effort, to the expression of your talents and to the utilization of your physical body."

posted April 10, 2010 08:23 AM         

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Pluto in the 1st house:

willful beyond belief = at times willing to bring down the house just because I.WILL.HAVE.MY.WAY.

constantly transforming, changing

taboo and sex interests me in ways that I am not prepared to admit, being a virgo rising.

All in all typical pluto stuff, just most people don't get to see it because it's opposite saturn in 7th. I am not comfortable showing people that side of me...but make no mistake. It is there.

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I have Virgo risign with Pluto in Virgo in my 1st. I can relate to the first three things. My Saturn is in my 9th, conjunct my Venus, and trines my Pluto, actually. I think that helps "discipline" my Pluto energies.

I also have Gemini Sun cj Eros so sex is a big deal with me. I am not necessarily promiscuous--actually I lost my virginity rather late and I have not have that many sex partners. But I've been fascinated by sex since I was 5 years old. I kind you not. Not in an obscene or disturbed way, just very curious about it.

As I got older, I would read textbooks on sex and sexuality all the time (it helped that my parents were both in the medical/psychiatric field!). Between ages 7 and 13, there was anyways one or two of my parents' old textbooks about human sexuality hidden under my bed so I could read them late at night and not get caught.

As a kid, I never, never talked about my curiosity about sex. I was painfully shy about it. As an young adult, I began getting bolder, and found people were a little weirded out by it. Also, I learned that other people see me as a person who radiates an intense sexual energy on a deep level. That sexual aura, along with my native Pisces moon naivety and vulnerability, can attract some unwanted attention from unsavory folks. In one case when I was about 24, I let myself get mislead into a situation with a person I thought was a friend where I was nearly raped. Thankfully, I got out before that happened! I've also have had several stalkers over the years, which has left me rather phobic about men who seem overly interested in me. :S

I've never been interested in visual pornography and along with losing my virginity late, I never interested in masturbation as a kid, even though I sure read a lot about it! LOL. I just wanted to understand sex and know everything I could learn about it. So Geminian/Virgoan, yes?

As an adult, I find it relatively easy to talk about sex, but I have to remind myself that not everyone is so comfortable with the topic. I once caused a big, angry exodus on a writers' forum when i posted excerpts of Nobel laureate Octavio Paz's erotic poetry (which is hardly vulgar), honestly not realizing anyone who find it offensive. But many did. *sigh*

posted April 10, 2010 08:33 AM         

Cherle

posted April 10, 2010 09:18 AM         

Pluto in Scorpio in the first with Placidus house system. It also squares my moon giving me a Hades Moon(Google this if you don't know what it is -- it's worthwhile!) making it even stronger in my opinion.

My Pluto in the first makes me very consciously aware of how I am appearing to other people I think. I hate to appear to be "weak" despite my tendencies to be an introvert and not exceptionally talkative around people I don't really know. I secretly give myself a mental scolding(stop walking with your head down!! for example) when I feel this is happening while keeping the front that everything is fine.

People can feel my gaze. Seriously, I cannot look at someone I am attracted to longer than a few seconds before they somehow will magically swing around somehow detecting the "heat" of my gaze. I hope I am not projecting the wrong idea here. I am no perv. I mean the biologically wired response where you simply gaze for a second or two at someone who catches your eye that is attractive while in Walmart for example. It's like people always just "know" when I am looking in their direction. So I keep my eyes looking around at everything but people when out and about in public so this doesn't happen because I find it to be so awkward... Even my grandmother on my father's side hated when I was little that I would just sit quietly, intensely stare, and observe other people. She frequently let my mother know that this behavior disturbed her, and just decided that it must be due to my Native American ancestry on my mother's side in order to cope with it.

People can give me "dirty" looks. They may even act suspicious of me or like they don't like me. If I am forced to speak to a stranger in such a situation and my charming, nice, and "mind-my-manners while saying please, thank you, and yes mam" Libra ascendant kicks in -- they look totally confused for a few seconds -- and then warm up quickly.

I am VERY intrigued by dark, haunting music. Starting reading the "Goosebump" series when I was in First grade by the dozen and writing my own horror tales down for fun. I do not enjoy immense amounts of gore or human suffering,(movies like Hostel make me feel sick inside) but I love suspense and the feeling of chills going down my spine is like a high for me. I can become "obsessed" with figuring out certain mysteries to the point of mental exhaustion if it interests me enough. I adore the psychology behind human behavior and figuring out why people do what they do, and what their agenda/motivation is.(but who isn't that is interested in astrology?)

And finally, I make deep connections and have an affinity with other people with Plutonic energy.(even though as far as aspects go I'm a lightweight) I won't fall "in love" without it... And yet, they are the very people that usually end up wounding me. Can't live with it, can't live without it...

Though I believe I've posted my pics on here before the face pic is me healthier, skinnier, 2 years ago, you can see how since the first house influences the energy you put out into the world has manifested.(please note: I have a much sunnier disposition in real life, but I can turn Pluto on and off like a light-switch in photos lol)

My eye:

posted April 10, 2010 09:24 AM         

x o x
Ami

posted April 10, 2010 11:36 AM         

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What does Pluto square moon feel like, Astra?
Also, the same question with Pluto oppose Venus?
*I* have Pluto conjunct MC and sextile sun.
God didn't trust me with the squares and oppositions

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Pluto square moon makes me have intense emotions, which scares my capricorn moon and gemini sun. I lost one of my parents, my grandparents and other relatives all before I was ten years old. It seems like my life gets completely destroyed every so often causing me to reevaluate my life and change. This aspect has made me very resilient and nothing surprises me. I don't trust others very easily...

Venus opposite pluto causes me to attract some disturbed men that tend to be dangerous. I immediately cut of all ties when I find out these guys are far from being kind. My love life is messed up to the say the least. Lol. I demand absolute loyalty and can become obsessed with revenge if I'm betrayed. When it comes to relationships (romantic or platonic), I either love you or hate you with every fiber of my being.

posted April 10, 2010 03:00 PM         

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Cherle

Check out Jack Vettriano paintings. Tell me what you think.
I will give a link. http://www.art-prints-gallery.com/gallery/jack_vettriano/

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Ha! When I first looked at those, I thought "He's got Virgo somewhere in his chart,"and he has a Venus-Mars conjunction in Virgo.

They are fascinating paintings. On one hand the subjects interest me for their nuance and innuendo, but I don't find the retro 50's thing appealing--especially with the cigarettes (although I'll give him a break since he's Scottish, as I love Scottish guys, and smoking has been very popular in Scottish culture). Being a Gemini, i'm so forward -thinking, I like the here and now and the near future. My Aquarian/Uranian influence too makes me more forward thinking. So sexually, I am uncomfortable with "retro fetishes" if you will, although strong Virgo, Scorpio, Cancer and Capricorn types seem to espeicaly like that retro thing. Sexuality is such a personal and individual thing, there's nothing wrong with it--it's just not for me.

I find how it interesting how he places women in his pictures in positionn of power, sometimes passive-aggressively and sometimes more assertively. So his chart must be highly sympathetic to feminine energy The thing with the faces rarely being seen--most face are turned away, in shadows or seen in profile, but portrayed seductively in many cases or at least a lluring--definitely stands out for me. There seems to be a strong Scorpio/Plutonian influence with that to me, and since he has no Scorpio placement of major planets, I think it must come from his Pluto aspects.

The retro topics and the strength of his female subjects in his paintings make me think 4th house. If we put his Sun in the 4th, we get also a Cancer ASC with Uranus conjunct--that could have given him the impetus to teach himself to paint, as well as break out of the rather mundane life he was living better he became a painter of note. A Cancer ASC would place Pluto in his 2nd house, deeply influencing his sense of aesthetics. There is a look a luxuriousness in his painting subjects too, which is very 2nd house.

posted April 10, 2010 03:10 PM         

You make some fascinating points! Your understanding of Astrology is way beyond mine lol.
He DOES look like a Cancer Ascendent.

posted April 10, 2010 06:32 PM         

i either hit it off with people and we'll become pretty good friends and i usually get really strong reactions from people. orr i never know or talk or get to know some people and it will more than likely not prgress from there. i feel like i sorta offend some people when i dont awkknowledge them or something. i dont know. but jealousy is a problem with my boyfriends and im not that controlling tho. i like to give advice and have people do them tho.. but at the same time i wont get mad if they dont. i think i stand as someone really strong in the relationships and someone who sticks to their word for the most part. i get into a lot of arguements with my relationships but ive learned to sorta control my urges and be a lot more happier or let things go or not say anything.

why would you think that your partners going to die with pluto in the 7th? we all die eventually and why would you be so fatalistic about it.

posted April 10, 2010 08:11 PM         

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You make some fascinating points! Your understanding of Astrology is way beyond mine lol.
He DOES look like a Cancer Ascendent.

PS PLEASE explain some of your Astrological conclusions such as the second house, Virgo etc.

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Well, I pulled up a chart that would place his Sun in the 4th house, given my intuition that he may have a 4th house Sun. That intuition stems from how many his paintings are woman-centric--the woman is in the forefront, or in front of the man, or standing besides him as an equal, or commanding the man's attention (and yours) away from the center of the picture. Even the one with the woman lying naked on the bed--you don't see her head even, but she's in a superior position to the man standing behind her, facing away as he looks out the window. She's dominat in that picture.

That sort of think made me think he was highly sympathetic to feminine energy, and being so "cardinal" (in the forefront, having a commanding presence in the picture) in how he presented women in his paintings. Also all these scene are intimate or "homey" even when they are outside (like the one where he has house servants holding umbrellas over the romantic pair dancing in the tide). Those things combined made me think Cancer, and thus the 4th house. Granted there are different things that could give that sense, but a Sun in the 4th made intuitive sense to me. When I drew out a chart that would place his Sun in the 4th, it gave him a Cancer AC with Uranus conjunct plus a 2nd house Pluto, both of which made sense to me.

Pluto int eh 2nd give him a taste for luxury and fantasy in his artistic aesthetic. It would also reinforce that sense of intimate and homey-ness in his subjects. He's also had great financial luck with his paintings--selling his first two shown paintings the first day of the show. That's another Pluto in the 2nd attribute (makes me so jealous that I wasn't born 2 hours earlier!!!).

His Mars-Venus conjunct in Virgo is in the 3rd house, if he does have a Cancer ASC. That also makes intuitive sense ot me. He communicates through his art (Virgo Venus) and through a very Virgo-Mars sense of self-discipline, technique and tenacity.

Virgo is also a bit sex-obsessed, but often in a way which seeks to understand and master sex like an artist mastering his craft. Virgo likes to "clean out the clutter" around sex and wants sex to be in a very clean, classic and elegant way where there are rules and a sense of order, like you see with his sense of classic romantic interactions--from dancing to dinner together to undressing in front of each other. This what first hit me when I saw his paintings, and I think that must be his Virgo mars speaking. Somehow, that mars is nicely aspected to his ASC so it can be heard, seen and felt clearly. If he does have a Cancer ASC, that Mars would sextile it as well as his natal Uranus in Cancer (a natal Mars sextile Uranus indicates someone who is quite original or individualistic in how they express themselves).

posted April 10, 2010 08:28 PM         

I've read about how it supposedly makes you hide your emotions and how it's a difficult placement, but I'm not so sure about that. I'm capable of openly expressing my feelings (if I see fit) but I'm not a loose cannon. I have gone through a lot of internal transformation in my life, it's what always separated me from my peers. It was never easy, but I never lived in fear. My Scorpio Asc. gives me a thick skin and I'm able to pick my self up after a setback always feeling stronger and wiser.

posted April 11, 2010 09:46 AM         

If there were a bowing idol--I would bow at your feet.
How amazingly wonderful you came up with that blend of intuition and knowledge.