posted April 09, 2010 03:11 PM         

Ami

posted April 09, 2010 03:19 PM         

perhaps pluto is more of a a place (house) where one seeks influence and control. (10th house-career, society, one's destiny/calling..) i also have saturn conjunct mars in my 10th house making a pretty square to my 2nd house sun so idk...can't really take any planet of aspect by itself, its all connected...

posted April 09, 2010 03:29 PM         

So,the thorn is in how i view myself probably and how others view me?

posted April 09, 2010 03:38 PM         

but not sure how much of an influence that it has on things associated with my 1st house. It's not conjunct my Ascendant.

Also in Equal and Whole Sign House systems, it's in my 2nd house.

I have Pluto's fellow dwarf planet,Haumea in 12th conjunct my Ascendant with 2'10 orb. Therefore,I have Haumea Rising in my chart. I am starting wonder if that's why I can relate to what astrologers say about Pluto in 1st.

Cosmobiologists don't use houses, and they would point out that my Ascendant is square my Mars/Pluto midpoint with 4 minutes of arc.

there is also 2003 AZ84, Dwarf planet candidate/plutino (an object that orbits like Pluto,3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune) that is only 2 minutes square my Ascendant in Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%28208996%29_2003_AZ84

so there are 3 astrological reasons that I can relate to Pluto in 1st from 3 different perspectives.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 09, 2010 04:32 PM         

I am with you that. I never saw the 10th house as the mother even though I was into Liz Greene stuff at the time. Like Liz Greene, Glenn Perry is also a psychological astrologer. I actually was more into his way of doing Astrology in the early years of me being in Astrology. He has the view that that 10th house is the father, and that 4th house is the mother.

There is a lot of disagreement about which houses associate with mother and father, and I have come to the point that I don't bother using any of the houses as parental houses.
I definitely don't use the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis as parental house axis. There is no logic to it.

The Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis doesn't always correlated with the beginning of the 10th and 4th houses.

in the polar regions, quadrant house systems like koch and placidus break down and are useless.

In the South Polar areas, the Midheaven is located at the bottom of the chart. I wonder if the Midheaven is actually located in the bottom half of the chart for people born in the Southern Hemisphere. It's not like Astrological charts reflect astronomical reality any way.

at certain times in the Artic Circle, the Ascendant/Descendant axis and the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis conjunct or oppose each other, and, so "voila...no houses!"
Murmansk,Russia is the most populated city in the polar regions with over 300,000 people.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 09, 2010 05:40 PM         

work/love

posted April 09, 2010 06:31 PM         

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There is a lot of disagreement about which houses associate with mother and father, and I have come to the point that I don't bother using any of the houses as parental houses.
I definitely don't use the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis as parental house axis. There is no logic to it.

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posted April 09, 2010 08:32 PM         

what about intensity,transformation,regeneration,elimination, trust issues,betrayal,secrets,hidden matters,"unknown",evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences involving relationships,partners?

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 09, 2010 08:46 PM         

I think the Pluto/Saturn conjunction between the 11th/12th house is difficult and makes sense in my circumstances.

I had a HARD time as a kid (mostly as a pre-teen and teenager) keeping friends mostly because I didn't really fit into any one group of people.

I STILL don't really fit into any one group of people, but I have learned to adapt and keep many varied groups of friends that all see different parts of me. Kinda sucks though, because I feel that most people don't see the totality of who I am.

Plus, I've had a lot of backstabbing friends which I guess would be Pluto clearing out friends that aren't authentic. People I've never harmed, but who, when it came down to it, were using me or were jealous of me.

Having those kinds of friends at that age is pretty normal for most kids, but it really did a number on me since I've always been an honest and direct (and somewhat naive) person.

As a result, I put up really huge walls to all other people for a LONG time, even into my young adulthood, and it affected all types of relationships. I would be uncomfortable in groups of people. I would go to parties and look for the exit as soon as I could. I felt like I stuck out like a sore thumb (having Jupiter/Uranus conjunction in the 1st didn't help that). It essentially destroyed my faith in friendships for a long time, and also my faith in my worth.

During college I started associating with a really great group of people and they slowly helped me to start to rebuild my faith in friends and in other people.

Funny enough, I am now incredibly outgoing and have more genuine friends than most of my closest friends do. Friendship for me is really about substance over just quantity.

posted April 09, 2010 09:15 PM         

willful beyond belief = at times willing to bring down the house just because I.WILL.HAVE.MY.WAY.

constantly transforming, changing

taboo and sex interests me in ways that I am not prepared to admit, being a virgo rising.