posted May 03, 2010 08:32 PM            

Sorry for taking so long.

The strongest link I see between the two charts is Chart II's pMoon @ 15 Aqu conjunct Chart I's nMoon @ 17 Aquarius, applying. Next is Chart II's pVenus @ 3 Pisces squ Chart I's nMars @ 5 Sagittarius, applying.

I don't know what to make of these two charts. The classic long-term linkages I usually look for aren't there. What I see is two people who sharing a brief moment of emotional closeness & friendship, with flirting, and sexual innuendo whispering in the background. The pVenus/nMars square says sex can be hot, but separative.

Some like it hot, an 18 birth #, and a 19 birth # are those kinds of people. pMoon conjunct nMoon will provide enough cushion to douse excess heat created by the Venus/Mars aspect, but once that aspect wanes, roughly two months from the target/meeting date Venus/Mars will be left on their own to sort things out. Venus/Mars are rough enough on their own, add a square aspect to the mix, and the tension goes up exponentially.

posted May 03, 2010 08:44 PM            

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Not quite. The progressed Chart is the natal chart all grown up.

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It's not really meant to be a stand alone chart.

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Not quite. Ever looked into the Progressed Lunation Cycle. This is the relationship between the pSun & pMoon.

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But I guess everyone uses it differently.

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Possibly. But I prefer to believe most haven't been exposed to it's proper uses.

posted May 03, 2010 09:37 PM            

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If two people have very similar placements at birth, and they stay that way throughout the progressions, then it can show that they will both go through similar life events at similar timing, right? And if for a reason, what the progressed shows isn't accurate as a timer for any of these two person, then the problem should be the progressed method itself, since the progressed method is supposed to be an accurate timer for anyone. It doesn't make sense that the progressed method would only work for some while not work for others, just coz we share similar progressions.

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Not necessarily...because they will have different house cusps.

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Is this related to the timing of the attractions between two people? If so, then it should still work. Well, two people can share very similar progressions, but it doesn't necessarily means attraction, specially if it's about the same planet being in conjunct between two charts (Sun conjunct Sun or Venus conjunct Venus has more to do with affinity rather than attraction triggers).
Also, similar progressions can show a similar timing of life events. Yet just coz A and B both has progressed Venus conjunct natal Sun, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will both meet potential love partners anyways - it can mean different situations for each of them, and the situations can still fit the Venus/Sun symbolism.
But well, back to the timing of the attraction. Maybe there are other triggers, like Sun/Venus, Sun/Mars, Mars/Venus or between these and other elements. And what's even more relevant - trigger aspects involving AC/DC.

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I was talking about this particular topic: It indicating attraction and action. I am not talking about the individual's progressed chart to their own natal. That's a whole other story. I DID say the angles being aspected by a progressed planet by another is important, just not sun to sun, or whatever planets are close in the natal already.

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Not quite. The progressed Chart is the natal chart all grown up.

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No it's not, it's a transit to the natal, primarily. It indicates a subtle shift and the formula for deriving it is a day for a year -- i.e. a transit to the natal.

Can it stand alone? Yes, but only after it's compared to the natal. It is slightly stronger than a SR chart as a stand alone chart.

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Not quite. Ever looked into the Progressed Lunation Cycle. This is the relationship between the pSun & pMoon.

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Yes, and it's basically a transit, in effect.

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Possibly. But I prefer to believe most haven't been exposed to it's proper uses.

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As do I. Too much emphasis shouldn't be placed on the progressed chart in detriment to the natal. They also do not supersede natal synastry and composites. They are used in conjunction with them and the couple's individual transits and transits to composites.

Me looking at someone's progressed chart as a stand alone is not going to tell me a whole heck of a lot, if anything without the natal, because it's just an emotional shift of the natal.

Back to the original topic of looking for attraction between two people and using progressed and natals: If their suns are very close at birth, and they are still close, that won't tell me anything about them being attracted to each other, because it's already that way in the natals.

BUT if someone's p. venus hits someone's mars, for instance, and it isn't like that in the natal, then that is significant. It can mean some action will occur. This is really the best I can explain it right now, because I am not in a good place for explaining things at the present time.

posted May 04, 2010 10:30 AM            

thank you.
And you were completely spot on.

"The strongest link I see between the two charts is Chart II's pMoon @ 15 Aqu conjunct Chart I's nMoon @ 17 Aquarius, applying."
Yes, I noticed that, too.

" Next is Chart II's pVenus @ 3 Pisces squ Chart I's nMars @ 5 Sagittarius, applying."
Yes, I was wondering about that one.

"I don't know what to make of these two charts. The classic long-term linkages I usually look for aren't there."
This is because we arenīt any long-term material.

" What I see is two people who sharing a brief moment of emotional closeness & friendship, with flirting, and sexual innuendo whispering in the background."
LOL That is so Good, so spot on, top mark.

I only met him once. He was singing on a concert, and I met him afterwards and we talked a while and I promised him to do a horoscope for him. It was a nice, exhilarating talk, with a little bit of flirting, but nothing serious.
And we didn`t meet again. WEll, I was doing the chart for him and sending it to him.
And I thought that this was it. Almost like a "job" I had to complete, and I did. I didn`t think I would see him again, I didn`t even want to.
But now I have bought tickets for two concerts, without knowing about the complete "cast-list"; in the one case friends wanted to urgently see that and in both cases I planned to go there just because I think the athmosphere will be great.
It turns out he will be on both concerts.
I was a bit surprised at this coincidence. And thought I would have a look into the progressions.
I am fairly positive, that I will enjoy the concerts.

Strangely enough there is a musical I will see with another performer, and it turns out that at the evening of that musical this performer`s pr Moon will be exactly conjunct my natal Moon, too. Down to the second!
And I of course had not checked the horoscopes before. lol

Anyway I think I enjoy things more, if there is some kind of (fleeting) emotional involvement on my part.

"Some like it hot, an 18 birth #, and a 19 birth # are those kinds of people."
Okay, spill. What does an 18 birth like?

I thought it was interesting, that both of us, have some "love progressions".
Me with pr ASC on Venus (even though it is already separating). Him with pr MC on Venus.
So I was serious when I said, maybe we are both in love, but not with each other.
Hmm, maybe he is going to get married this year.

posted May 04, 2010 02:07 PM            

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"If two people have very similar placements at birth, and they stay that way throughout the progressions, then it can show that they will both go through similar life events at similar timing, right? And if for a reason, what the progressed shows isn't accurate as a timer for any of these two person, then the problem should be the progressed method itself, since the progressed method is supposed to be an accurate timer for anyone. It doesn't make sense that the progressed method would only work for some while not work for others, just coz we share similar progressions."

Not necessarily...because they will have different house cusps.

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But well, I'm still a bit confused. I still can't understand why similar progressed charts can't be used to determine the timing of the attraction? Sun/Sun conjunction, or any other same planets conjunction isn't really an attraction trigger, but rather about affinity, right? What I've been trying to say is that if A's progressed chart is valid, and B's progressed chart is valid, then their comparison would also be valid, whether there's similarity or not, coz the triggers could be the AC/DC aspects too (I wasn't saying that you're disregarding the angles, I was just using this to say that similar progressed charts can still be compared for the timing of the attraction).

posted May 04, 2010 02:18 PM            

in my book you are absolutely spot on.

If the theory of progressed charts is valid, it has to be valid for each and every chart. Period.

posted May 04, 2010 02:24 PM            

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I wonder though how the weighing between natal and progressed is.
I always thought like Diana, that the natals are the most important charts, including comparision.
But then again, maybe the natals lie dormant, until a progressed aspect wakes certain parts of them up?

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posted May 04, 2010 06:10 PM            

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Hmm maybe progressed charts and transits activates the natal parts of us?

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This is actually true, because it acts like a transit to the natal. And transits do awaken the natal -- that's why they are so telling and why not everyone with a certain transit will have the same action -- same goes for progressions which is kind of why the same stuff won't happen to people with the same degree sun, for example.

It's all very confusing and I think I am not explaining my point correctly. I am trying to take a break from the internet and I am also thinking about other things, so I have no patience to explain, because I am somewhere else in my mind right now. I am also a bit testy.

I will come back and try to explain how I feel about it all when I am better able to do so.

posted May 04, 2010 08:37 PM            

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No it's not, it's [the progressed Chart] a transit to the natal, primarily... It indicates a subtle shift and the formula for deriving it is a day for a year -- i.e. a transit to the natal.

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I hope you're pulling my chain here.

Can it stand alone? Yes, but only after it's compared to the natal. It is slightly stronger than a SR chart as a stand alone chart.

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I will come back and try to explain how I feel about it all when I am better able to do so.

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Fair enough. But us too will have to agree to disagree. A transit Chart is a transit chart. A progressed chart is not such.

posted May 04, 2010 08:53 PM            

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Okay, spill. What does an 18 birth like?

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In some cultures 18 is the number of life. In basic numerology it is the numerical representation of Mars/Aries/Scorpio....blood red. It is the number of fire, passion, and excitement. A boring, do nothing partner ain't gonna cut it. It is drawn to hot-blooded/fiery types, or it gives the quieter ones hell...so they say.

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Hi Nine,

So, you're pretty good at progressed synastry charts?

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Ultimately, I'm just a student. But yes, it's an exciting challenge.

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I've always wondered about the meeting I had with a person a few years back. Do progressed aspects show permanence?

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Tentatively, I'll say yes. Contrarities/Contrarians abound, but once the planets in the progressed Synastry stop communicating it's usually curtains for the relationship.

Of course it gets complicated sometimes. Aspects change and so do relationships, today it's a full-moon, tomorrow it may be Sun/Mercury, the day after that it may be Jupiter/Uranus. If a person is set on a Sun-Moon aspect, once that wanes and is replaced by a Sun-Mercury, they may bolt, or they might stay.

posted May 05, 2010 01:06 AM            

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I hope you're pulling my chain here.

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I am not. Why?

I hope you are not saying the progressed chart is predictive on its own, without aspects to the natal. You can only get so much information from the progressed chart as a stand alone, imo. I use it to confirm the natal and transits. I don't use the progressed as a predictor alone. I, personally, would be way off the mark if I did that, predictively. The progressed chart cannot show what isn't already shown in the natal.

A progressed chart is the internal, or emotional impetus, for a person. It does not make any action occur, but can show a shift in thinking and emotions, which combined with the promise of the natal, and corresponding transits that concur, show action. It adds an undertone to the person's mindset or feelings. Someone whose AC progresses into a new sign doesn't lose their natal ac, they may just take on a different flavor in that area corresponding to the new sign. Same goes for venus changing signs. They won't become the new sign in matters of love, for instance, they will maybe have a bit of a change internally in how they feel in those matters.

posted May 05, 2010 05:52 PM            

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I hope you are not saying the progressed chart is predictive on its own, without aspects to the natal.

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That's exactly what I'm saying. To back it up, I present the Progressed Lunation Cycle, as one example where the progressed chart can be used, on it's own, for prediction purposes.

posted May 05, 2010 07:21 PM            

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So if I posted a progressed chart of someone you'd be able to tell me what's going on their life without comparison to the natal, by using the progressed lunation cycle.

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As surely as you can tell what's happening in a person's life based on Saturn's aspects to itself (the Saturn Cycle), yes. The Progressed Lunation Cycle is an accurate Prognosticator of life events.

Of course there is more to a natal chart than a Saturn transit. But if the Saturn Return (a transit) is a major event, then so should be a Progressed New Moon, or a Progressed Full Moon.

As per your challenge....we'll come back to that some other time.

posted May 06, 2010 11:52 AM            

What do these aspects say about timing? The timing is NOW:

*his Progressed Moon conjunct my natal Moon (0'14" applying)

*his Progressed MC conjunct my natal Moon (1'17" applying)

*his Progressed Venus conjunct my natal Moon (1'28" applying)

*my Progressed Sun conjunct his natal Pluto (1'29" separating)

*my Progressed ASC conjunct his natal MC (1'43" applying) and the opposite, my Progressed DSC conjunct his IC, same orb.

*my Progressed NN conjunct his natal ASC (0'57" applying)

*my Progressed Mars conjunct his natal NN (1'57" applying)

*and lastly, Progressed Mars conjunct progressed Mars (0'26" applying) and my Progressed Mars conjunct his progressed NN (1'56" applying)

I can post the charts, just feeling too lazy, but I poured over these last night after I got fascinated by all the connections.

ETA: I just realized if I include oppositions things get even more interesting LOL but I'm not sure if I should go that deep with the volume of conjunctions.

posted May 06, 2010 10:46 PM            

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... are these aspects going to signify something happening between me and the man I am in love with:

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If the aspects are there, yes there will be mutual attraction

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His progressed Mars and his progressed moon conjunct my natal moon?

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posted May 06, 2010 10:52 PM            

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I have a question also if no one minds...I am just now getting into progressed synastry.

What do these aspects say about timing? The timing is NOW:

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The pMoon aspect is great, but doesn't point to a relationship. If you're in a relationship I'd look closer at Venus aspects, any Venus aspect between the charts.