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DD
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posted April 28, 2010 11:53 AM
  
Hello Nine,may I ask you a favour?
Could you have a look at these progressed charts? 
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belgz
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posted April 28, 2010 11:56 AM
They look like they're in love  IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2010 11:56 AM
They look like they're in love IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted April 28, 2010 12:27 PM
hmmm, since they are born so close, they'll always have similar suns, mercs, venus....different year, I know, but the sun degrees and the other inner planets will stay close, so it can be deceptive. IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2010 12:27 PM
Why do you think that, Belgz?IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2010 12:31 PM
Yeah, well, and people born half a year from each other will allmost always have oppositions between their personal planets. And people born 3 months from each other, will have squares.
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posted April 28, 2010 12:45 PM
Chart A has progressed ascendant on venus which is 5th house ruler.Transit pluto is conjunct venus now as well. Progressed mars changed signs into capricorn (same sign venus in chart B) Chart B's progressed moon is conjunct chart A's natal moon. And chart A's progressed moon is/was trine chart B's venus. Chart B had a solar eclipse on his/her venus in JAN. I would also think chart A is more in love based on transits. Transit pluto conjunct venus could signify the end of a relationship if this has been going on for quite some time (that is if it is a relationship LOL) but if its new and fresh it looks pretty good. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted April 28, 2010 12:58 PM
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Yeah, well, and people born half a year from each other will allmost always have oppositions between their personal planets. And people born 3 months from each other, will have squares.
That is astrology, isn`t it?
Well, yes and no. If they're born very close in days, they will always have similar progressed signs. If they're born exactly (like within days like these people) they will have the opposition.
It's contacts to the angles that really count in these cases and also to the moon. Otherwise, it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot and you might as well look at the natals for a connection.
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posted April 28, 2010 01:04 PM
Diana,we might disagree on this matter. As I do not think it matters how close two people`s birthday is to each other. At least not in the sense that it makes a difference in "valuing" the synastry or progressions.
It`s still the charts of two individuals.
Also, the only thing that will be very close in progressions is the pr Sun, and even that changes when people with same birthday are born in different years. Thank you Belgz for this analysis,
I have to think a little about it. 
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Oh and I think it`s ALWAYS The contacts to the angles and Moon that count the most.
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posted April 28, 2010 01:07 PM
also progressed venus is in pisces sextile the cappy venus. Right now transit pluto is sextile and conjunct those planets and progressed MC is on venus.IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2010 01:24 PM
My man's birthday is one day after mine... he is 4 years older. His progressed chart is different to mine even though we are born on almost the same day. I agree that the individual chart shows up in progressed, although when born within 15 days of each other the sun, venus and mars progressions can be misleadingly GOOD!!  IP: Logged |
DD
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posted April 28, 2010 01:34 PM
Interesting, Belgz,
I didn`t even notice that chart A has pr ASC on natal Venus and chart B has pr MC on natal Venus.
Could it be that both people are in love, but not with each other?  Of course that does not tell us much about the "connection" between these two.
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posted April 30, 2010 06:55 PM
Hi, DDSorry for the late reply, been busy. Just stopped by to say I'll give 'em a proper look and write up later tonight. Thanks. Nine. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted April 30, 2010 11:18 PM
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Diana,we might disagree on this matter. As I do not think it matters how close two people`s birthday is to each other. At least not in the sense that it makes a difference in "valuing" the synastry or progressions.
It`s still the charts of two individuals.
Also, the only thing that will be very close in progressions is the pr Sun, and even that changes when people with same birthday are born in different years.
It actually does matter, because the progressed will make it appear they are more in sync for timing of relationship factors, when that may not be the case, because their suns are so close to begin with. Usually, even if there's a different year, the merc and/or venus can be in the same sign as well.
And of course the angles are always important.
You can time it by the moon (if they're different at birth) and the same for venus and mars. Any planets further out won't move much so typically don't matter much.
But, yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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posted May 01, 2010 05:46 AM
Thanks, Nine. Diana, yes, I think we have to agree to disagree in this one.
I just think that the basics of astrology always work to the same set of rules, no matter who the people are or when they have been born.
Coming from that thought it really does not matter if the planets can be in the same signs, but to see where they really are.
Besides same signplacement does not really impress me that way, no matter if they have been born on the same day or 7 month and 3 weeks from each other; I really believe in the strength of tight orbs. I do not pay any attention to the movement of progressed outer planets anyway (in no case), unless a pr inner planet perfects an exact aspect with them (but actually it would appear as the same aspec to the natal outer planet, too, so I really do not care much for the progressions of outer planets). pr Sun, pr. Moon, pr Mercury, pr Venus, pr ASC, pr MC and even pr Mars DO matter though. IP: Logged |
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posted May 01, 2010 04:21 PM
The debate about similar birthday being valid or not is interesting. I also think that even if the charts are similar or even of the same day, they should still be valid, coz each individual is still an individual, so that it's weird to think that we can't use the same method to evaluate their compatibility just coz they are similar, since these individuals still interact with each other in the real life like everyone else.But well, I've been wondering.. how do we interpret when people has nearly the same progressed Marses or Venuses?
Actually, I don't think that having conjunction between same progressed planet would necessarily indicate attraction, more about similarity thought (people with Mars/Mars, Venus/Venus or Sun/Sun conjunctions in their natals doesn't necessarily point to attraction, more about affinity/similarity). But that's just what I feel, maybe I'm wrong lol. IP: Logged |
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posted May 02, 2010 05:00 AM
Comica,I agree with really every single word you wrote there.  And I want to emphasise especially this part: The debate about similar birthday being valid or not is interesting. I also think that even if the charts are similar or even of the same day, they should still be valid, coz each individual is still an individual, so that it's weird to think that we can't use the same method to evaluate their compatibility just coz they are similar, since these individuals still interact with each other in the real life like everyone else. That is exactly what I tried to say. Thank you for making it so clear. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted May 02, 2010 03:03 PM
You're both misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I am not saying whether or not they're compatible or individual, that is in the natals and not the progressed anyway. The progressed charts between two people are used for TIMING of events. So, if they have similar suns or Mercuries, or whatever at birth, they will ALWAYS have that connection in the progressed, so it's not an accurate timer of events, because it's always there.
The progressed to progressed do not show compatibility.
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posted May 02, 2010 03:25 PM
The progressed shows all a natal shows - ONLY in relation to a relatively short timeframe.So no, it does not show deep character-compatibility, but it does show if the characteristic expressions of two people will be compatible at a certain time. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted May 02, 2010 03:28 PM
Hmmm, I disagree. I use it for timing. The progressed chart is like a transit to your natal. It's not really meant to be a stand alone chart. It's actually the third chart in importance -- natal, transits, progressed. But I guess everyone uses it differently. IP: Logged |
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posted May 02, 2010 04:15 PM
Yes probably we really disagree.BTW I use it for timing, too. But that doesn`t mean it does not have a "qualitative" meaning, too.
But it is as you said; we may just using it differently.
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posted May 02, 2010 05:03 PM
But if the comparison of two progressed charts of two individuals with not so similar charts is valid, then why isn't the comparison of two progressed charts of two individuals with similar natal charts valid?Most of us might have the same birthday with some other people on Earth. This would mean that most of us might share pretty much the same progressed charts with some other people on Earth. But even so, progressed charts should work for each of us when it comes to timing the events of each of our lives, even if we meet/know each other in person. It's just simple logic: point 1 - Person A's progressed chart can be used to determine the timing of the events for A's life.
point 2 - Person B's progressed chart can be used to determine the timing of the events for B's life.
point 3 - if points 1 and 2 are valid, then the comparison of A and B's progressed charts is valid too, whether their charts are similar or not, since these progressed charts themselves are both valid. Astrology should always be consistent. IP: Logged |
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posted May 02, 2010 05:06 PM
Comica, I like your logic. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted May 02, 2010 07:15 PM
I have to do this real quick, but I will come back to it later if I don't explain it right.
If two people have very similar placements at birth, and they stay that way throughout the progressions, it's not an accurate timer. I am talking about very similar placements at birth. It won't be accurate between the two, because it has always been that way, and always will.
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posted May 03, 2010 11:46 AM
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If two people have very similar placements at birth, and they stay that way throughout the progressions, it's not an accurate timer.
If two people have very similar placements at birth, and they stay that way throughout the progressions, then it can show that they will both go through similar life events at similar timing, right? And if for a reason, what the progressed shows isn't accurate as a timer for any of these two person, then the problem should be the progressed method itself, since the progressed method is supposed to be an accurate timer for anyone. It doesn't make sense that the progressed method would only work for some while not work for others, just coz we share similar progressions. quote:
It won't be accurate between the two, because it has always been that way, and always will.
Is this related to the timing of the attractions between two people? If so, then it should still work. Well, two people can share very similar progressions, but it doesn't necessarily means attraction, specially if it's about the same planet being in conjunct between two charts (Sun conjunct Sun or Venus conjunct Venus has more to do with affinity rather than attraction triggers).
Also, similar progressions can show a similar timing of life events. Yet just coz A and B both has progressed Venus conjunct natal Sun, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will both meet potential love partners anyways - it can mean different situations for each of them, and the situations can still fit the Venus/Sun symbolism.
But well, back to the timing of the attraction. Maybe there are other triggers, like Sun/Venus, Sun/Mars, Mars/Venus or between these and other elements. And what's even more relevant - trigger aspects involving AC/DC.IP: Logged |
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