posted May 19, 2010 08:17 PM            

Since everyones NN is at 0 Aries....

My Natal ASC is at 0 Aries.. So when a planet/points conjucts the NN do these even count since this is the same for everyone.. Do you take the nodes into consideration on a Draconic Chart?

posted May 19, 2010 09:04 PM            

from him to me on DR synastry

HIS (My name) conjuc his MC,Saturn,NN (which is also my ASC) and opps his IC,Juno, which conj my his name..... make sense...?????

Then is a DW
From ME to him

My name,uranus,juno conju his DC, his first and last name

wait theres more

my destinn,zeus neptune innanen conj his vertex

his destinn,karma,conju my vertex,pluto,dc,

But heres what really caught me off guard

My DR MC conj his natal IC,Venus
HIS DR MC conj my ASC, True Node

My DR DC conj his natal ASC
so his Natal DC conj my DR ASC

There's alot more... now everything makes a lot more sense......

Damn!!! No wonder we cant break this tie....

posted May 20, 2010 03:49 AM            

Belinda
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[Dr Juno on 7.32 Aquarius conjunct Dr Pluto on 7.51 Aquarius] falls on tropical Pholus on 8.42 Aquarius in her 12th house

--- so I think these 7-8 Aquarius would be important for synastry, too

[Dr Ceres on 16.48 Aquarius conjunct Dr Vertex on 17.30 Aquarius] fall on [tropical ASC on 18.59 Aquarius conjunct tropical Chiron on 19.54 Aquarius] in her 1st house

----- this might even be one of THE most important aspects, as it involves her Chiron-ASC-conjunction; so those 16-20 degrees Aquarius would be important for her

Dr Psyche on 19.56 Aries conjunct tropical BML in 19.55 Aries in her 2nd house

[DR ASC on 25.04 Cancer conjunct Dr Chiron on 25.59 Cancer] fall on tropical Karma on 25.12 Cancer in her 6th house

---- this would be the other MOST important degree for her

[Dr true Lilith on 3.03 Virgo fall on [Pluto on 1.46 Virgo conjunct Juno on 1.27 Virgo] in her 7th house
--- this might be significant for relationships especially

Dr Eros in 12.20 Virgo conjunct[Vertex on 11.25 Virgo conjunct Ceres on 10.43 Virgo] in 7th house
- also important in relationships

Dr Mars in 22.18 Libra conjunct NN in 23.55 Libra in 8th house

so for her strongest synastry aspects would include:

6-9 Aquarius
15-20 Aquarius
24-26 Cancer
18-20 Aries
0-4 Virgo
9-13 Virgo
21-24 Libra

Morgan
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[Dr Eros on 17.56 Virgo conjunct Dr Venus on 19.58 Virgo] conjunct Karma on 16.36 Virgo

Dr uranus on 0.08 Scorpio conjunct Juno on 2.36 Scorpio

Dr Juno on 6.15 Aquarius conjunct [Pholus on 6.04 Aquarius conjunct Chiron on 4.21 Aquarius]

Dr Saturn on 18.33 Aquarius conjunct Valentine on 21.39 Aquarius

so for him the most significant synastric connections would probably involve:

15-20 Virgo
29 Libra - 3 Scorpio
3-7 Aquarius
17 - 22 Aquarius

(I didn`t check the oppositions yet, but these would of course play a role,t oo)

But even with that short listing you can see that each triggers each other`s "hot spots":

Especially these seem to be all important in their synastry:

posted May 20, 2010 11:11 AM            

Her dMercury opps my dVertex 0*

My dSun & dMerc opps her dJupiter both less than a degree

Her Draco to my Natal:

Her dSun conjunct my Natal Moon less than 3 degrees.
Her dMoon trine my nVenus less than 1 degree
Her dMercury conjunct my nUranus and trine my nJupiter less than 1 degree.
Her dVenus conjuncts my nMars 3 degrees and nAsc less than 2 degrees.
Her dMars sextiles my nSun
Her dJupiter conjuncts my Sun
Her dVertex conjunct my Sun less than 1 degree.

Is this woman part of my soul family? (there are more aspects, I didn't have time to list them all)

posted May 20, 2010 11:14 AM              

how great to see this thread growing!

posted May 20, 2010 11:23 AM            

There deffinetely karmic aspects between our natal charts, but I wasn't able to specify what kind of relationship we had in the past.

posted May 20, 2010 12:12 PM            

I don`t consider aspects to Draconic NN, as there is nothing individual about them.
I do consider this placement in natal tropical-Draconic though; it just shows that a certain planet is on the NN and therefore has a prominent meaning in this chart.

Regarding the synastry I would place most emphasis on:

"My DR MC conj his natal IC,Venus
HIS DR MC conj my ASC, True Node

My DR DC conj his natal ASC
so his Natal DC conj my DR ASC"

These are definitely a sign that there is a "soul-connection".
With his Dr IC on your SN, maybe you have been part of the same family in a past life?

GG,

yes I think there are some hints that could indicate that this woman is of the same soulfamily as you, even though I donīt know HOW close exactly (there are not just mum and dad and children, but also uncles and cousins and so on like in all families).

The aspectst that I found most intriguing are:

"er Draco Moon conjuncts my Draco NN exactly 20' of arc"
This alone would make me want to research the DRaco connections more deeply. It seems to be a first strong hint.

"My dSun & dMerc opps her dJupiter both less than a degree"
This might indicate not so much a family connection, but one between friends or even between teacher / Guru and pupil.
it is less than a degree, so it is very important.

"Her dSun conjunct my Natal Moon less than 3 degrees."
Another hint towards a close connection, at least on soullevel.

"Her dMercury conjunct my nUranus"
Further emphasises the friendship-theme, and again it is less than a degree.

"Her dVenus conjuncts my nMars 3 degrees and nAsc less than 2 degrees."
could indicate a more romantic / sexual connection, too.

"Her dJupiter conjuncts my Sun"
That is a DW, right? Okay, so a third hint towards that teacher-pupil friendship-like connection. Or at least there is the potential for mutual encouragement and spiritual growth.

"er dVertex conjunct my Sun less than 1 degree."
Even if she is not part of your soulgroup, this indicates an important encounter, a fated moment in time.

"Is this woman part of my soul family"
I am a bit surprised, that there were no aspects to MC/IC, as I usually have found prominent. There was a connection to Draco Moon though.
But all in all I would say that the hints towards a spiritual growthoriented frienship are the strongest (they were all less than a degree, so an important theme).

Bumblebee,

his Dr Sun and especially Dr Mars conjunct your natal Venus sound like there is a romantic or even more so sexual theme. Love and sex - that seems to be the ground of the attraction.

your feminity (tropical Venus) seems to trigger his "inner man" (Dr Sun and Dr Mars) and could make him feel especially masculine when he is around you. And in turn you feel attracted to and are in love with his inner strength.

But of course I would have to see more of your aspects.

posted May 20, 2010 12:33 PM            

some more about Belinda and Morgan - sorry that it comes in little pieces.

I was checking her ASC-Chiron-conjunction as it seemed to be such an important connection.

So her ASC is conjunct Chiron, which could indicate that her Self is wounded in some way, maybe low selfconfidence, or a wound in some other regard. At least she may feel that there is a wound.

Her ASC and Chiron are conjunct her Dr Ceres and Dr Vertex.
If we believe that the Dracos are indicative of past lives, maybe - at least a part of- that wound stems from a past life, where there was some problem with relationships or encounters (Vertex), that should have been nurturing (Ceres)? Maybe someone provided the "wrong nurturing" for her? Maybe problems with a mother figure?
Or just basically past life family relationships (her Draco ASC and Dr Chiron in Cancer would also hint into that direction)?
Of course this could also be indicative of this life.

On the other hand it could also mean that she has the potential for healing herself. And when she faces her wounded Self (ASC and Chiron), she can come into touch with a deep nurturing and caring (Draco Ceres), but probably it will be easier to get access to these things, if someone else triggers them.

Now this constellation is conjunct Morgan`s tropical Valentine and his Dr Saturn.
Probably through his love she could face these issues and got a chance to heal them and become the caring nurturing person she is (and caring also means, caring for her own wellbeing).
But there is something else beneath his more romantically oriented love of Valentine, his Draco Saturn. And as we know Saturn will not give in an inch, will be there patient as a wall.
He probably could provide her security, stability and structure from a deep place inside himself, almost like a father figure. Maybe he was a father figure to her in a past life.
Of course it was just through her need of him and through her wound and basically through her Self , that his potential of this Dr Saturn was being triggered. He discovered this side about him, because he needed it to help and support her. It was always inside of him, but maybe she played a big part in gaining access to this.

The Sabian symbol of her ASC and his Draco Saturn is also very telling:

"A Forest Fire Is Being Subdued By The Use Of Water, Chemicals And Sheer Muscular Energy"

It is a very powerful Sabian I think, and it could relate to the strength they needed to perform this big lesson they had (freeing her Self from drugs for example).

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Then there is her Dr ASC and Dr Chiron conjunct her own Karma in her 6th house.
So again an indicator that this was a karmic lesson for her.
And in the 6th house this karmic lesson around her wounded self would involve her work and of course her health.
Probably it means that she was going to meet "karmic partners", especially in relation to her workplace, who would confront her with this wound; and this would give her a chance to heal. So I guess this is part of her karmic lesson.

His tropical Uranus is conjunct it.
He must have "come over her" like an electrical storm.
He probably shook her up, woke her up, rattled on her "chains" and propelled her not only to change her habits, but to free herself and evolve.

This looks like a pretty fated / karmic relationship to me.

posted May 20, 2010 12:50 PM            

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I think these are the most significant ones:

drSUN/drPLUTO (2)
drVENUS/drVERTEX
drVERTEX/drIC conjunct my natal Moon
drMARS/drMARS conjunct his natal Mars
his drMOON exact conjunct my natal Venus

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Would you mind giving me your thoughts on these aspects? I know you said the IC/Vertex/Moon conjunction pointed strongly towards a family tie.

That's interesting because there are a lot of romance elements in the draco too, but in real life, although the relationship is romantic, it is based in friendship and we have a very "tribal" circle of friends. I often feel close to him (and all of them) as if the relationships were blood. I can't quite describe it, but we're very protective of each other. Is the family tie you are seeing maternal/child or something else?

quote:

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Wider orbs: drMOON/drASC (4) and his drSATURN/LILITH on my drDSC (4)- if these only had a narrower orb. Are you sure about your ASC`s degrees?

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No, I'm not quite sure. There's a discrepancy of 7 minutes with the birth time that would make quite a difference with that orb. Birth certificate says one thing, mother's memory says another. But if I change the birth time to the other time, the orb is not as close in natal synastry with some important aspects that I definitely feel, so I don't know. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle LOL.

posted May 20, 2010 01:13 PM            

there seems to be both there, romantic and family connection.

"drSUN/drPLUTO (2)"
This one seems to relate to a strong bond and transformation. But I don`t know how conscious you feel it as it is both in Draco.

"drVENUS/drVERTEX"
This would be a classical romantic contact, even though it doesn`t say it was / is a lasting romance. Just a romantic / loving encounter.

"drVERTEX/drIC conjunct my natal Moon"
This is what made me think of a family connection. I am not exactly sure what kind of family connection, just that it is caring and nurturing and probably protective coupled with emotional identification with each other, which is probably pretty "maternal" in nature.
So it could be parents- children, but maybe it just indicates that you care(d) for each other like a mother would for her children.

"drMARS/drMARS conjunct his natal Mars
his drMOON exact conjunct my natal Venus"
This seems to be more about loving romantic relationship, and through the romance he might discover some deeper emotional feelings.

posted May 20, 2010 01:29 PM            

Her dVenus conjunct my d-DSC 37 minutes of arc.  Her dUnion is also conjunct my d-DSC less than 40 minutes of arc.

Her dJuno and dValentine are opposite my d-IC less than 2 degrees.

Don't know if this means anything but her dAngel and dVertex are conjunct my d-POF less than 25 minutes of arc.  Her dJupiter is also conjunct my d-POF about 2 degrees. 

There are also a LOT of exact or really close trines and sextiles from Draco to Draco, and Draco to Tropical.

posted May 20, 2010 01:50 PM            

I would look first for the connection to Sun, Moon, NN, Vertex, ASC and IC.

And if we find these, the other asteroids might add some depth and colour to our outlined picture.

GG,

I like that Saturn-IC-conjunction. And of course for romance I also like the Venus-DESC conjunction.

posted May 29, 2010 06:56 AM            

Other aspects that we have are:

My Dr Venus conj. his tr Moon
My Dr moon opposes his Tr Sun and Mars \which is interesting couse in tropical his moon opposes my sun\
his Dr moon conjunct my Tr Mars

Sadly I do not know his birth time and could not determinate any angles contacts

posted February 14, 2015 10:04 PM            

For example, my moon. Natal is Gemini and Draconic is Scorpio. They don't get much more different than that.
No aspects to Draconic moon from natal.

posted February 15, 2015 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I'm so fascinated, yet, still trying to understand.

For example, my moon. Natal is Gemini and Draconic is Scorpio. They don't get much more different than that.
No aspects to Draconic moon from natal.

I am unable to interpret that. Maybe I can have a better understanding of this stuff if anyone can use my example so that I can personally identify with it...???

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So you are a communicative and talkative guy with quite a bit of brainpower, as the Moon in Gemini suggests, analytical, yes.
However on a bit deeper level, underneath, we can see that there is quite a lot of passion, intuition (rather than pure analytical mindedness) and well, much more stubborn or determined internally than the Gemini Moon may suggest.

I am not sure how much you will be able to relate to this, especially if the Draco Moon is not aspecting your natal chart, though.

EDIT
Maybe you could almost think of the Draconic placement as a 12th house planet/ placement.

It might not be overly obvious on the outside, but it is there as a great ressource, underneath, on a deeper level of your psyche

posted February 15, 2015 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
My Natal and Draconic are almost identical - what does this mean?

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posted February 15, 2015 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
your NN must be close to 00 Aries then.

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That's right, Ceridwen.
In my Natal, the North Node is at 26°56'33"Pisces, and the Mean Node at 27°15'22".

posted February 15, 2015 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
That's right, Ceridwen.
In my Natal, the North Node is at 26°56'33"Pisces, and the Mean Node at 27°15'22".

Do you have any idea how this can be interpreted?

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posted February 15, 2015 08:37 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

So you are a communicative and talkative guy with quite a bit of brainpower, as the Moon in Gemini suggests, analytical, yes.
However on a bit deeper level, underneath, we can see that there is quite a lot of passion, intuition (rather than pure analytical mindedness) and well, much more stubborn or determined internally than the Gemini Moon may suggest.

I am not sure how much you will be able to relate to this, especially if the Draco Moon is not aspecting your natal chart, though.

EDIT
Maybe you could almost think of the Draconic placement as a 12th house planet/ placement.

It might not be overly obvious on the outside, but it is there as a great ressource, underneath, on a deeper level of your psyche

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I have a 12th mercury, Venus, mars, natally so energy expressed in that way is familiar to me.
So Draconic can be felt outwardly. But it's more, a "vibe"?

Since you say resource it makes me think that as Gemini moons go, I may have an ability to understand things on deeper, intuitive levels if I need to. But day to day I operate more as simply Gemini moon.

Is that accurate?

posted February 15, 2015 08:39 AM            

not too apparent.
my Draco Sun, Mercury and Venus is in Aries (neither parent has anything in Aries).

my Draco Moon in gemini
(again they do not have any personal planet in Gemini, though my Dad`s MC is in gemini, but not conj. my Dr Moon)

my Draco MC in Capricorn
(may Dad`s Mercury in Capricorn, but far from my Dr MC)

my Draco ASC and Mars in Pisces.
(well my Dad`s DESC is in Pisces, and my Mom has three planets in Virgo, Venus, Mars, Moon, and her Moon is on my Draco DESC)