posted May 11, 2010 09:16 AM              

"the Draconic chart can be categorised as karmic, spiritual and unconscious, with possible connections to reincarnation. It pinpoints those we draw close to us in our lifetimes, to resolve unconscious issues , which in turn connects to our state of physical and emotional health. It speaks less of free will than the basic natal chart.

Through our Draconic chart we can discover how others are acutely, albeit subconsciously, aware of our soul's purpose and act accordingly -- opening life's doors and sometimes slamming them in our face. It traces where we came from (test it with parents and grandparent's charts) and where we are going..."

"It could also show the ideal to be reached by the Higher Self, in other words the "soul blueprint" and the Higher Self's intentions for the present incarnation

Cool stuff! What is really interesting is that if we compare the tropical and draconic levels in a horoscope, we will find that certain life-themes will be indicated/repeated with great clarity. The links to watch out for between tropical and draconic levels are conjunctions and oppositions, as they tend to indicate what the soul should focus on and develop to evolve during the present incarnation. What I have also noticed for practical purposes is how revealing the placements of draconic Sun, Moon and Ascendant are (by sign and natal house), as they seem to give clues to the quality of a person's emotional body, his/her "hidden, real self".

"Draconic astrology opens windows on other, subtler dimensions of our being, reflecting the multidimensionality many of us are beginning to claim as our "real Self". Because Draconic astrology gives clues to our Higher Self and its guidance, it potentially complements the more common Tropical astrology exquisitely well. The easiest and clearest way to gain a fuller picture of a person's potential is to place draconic positions around the Tropical birth planets in a bi-wheel chart and, as stated above, observe connections and links between these levels, the most powerful being conjunctions and oppositions, particularly to the angles."

So : conclusion is that if we look and compare our tropicals with the draconics we will see what lessons weīre supposed to learn,and better know ourselves,from a higher perspective-of our Higher Selves.

Looking at mine:

Draco Neptune cj my nASC:so i captured my pastlife dreamy qualties,into this one?im probably more idealistic,romantic than what i "should"being a tropical Virgo

Draco JUno8th cj my nCeres:so...my motherly/nurturing qualities,or act of being a Mother is tied with a past-life partner?a committment?

Draco NN/PF cj my nAbundantia:this one i dont really know...maybe iīll be lucky in 6th matters,due to my pastlife deeds?or path?

Draco MC is cj VERTEX:now this one is interesting.MC stands for career,image i project to others,my status. vertex is the "Destiny Gate" so...iīll have something fated ocurring in my 7thissues,that are tied with my pastlife Career?

Draco Valentine/Mars/Karma cj my Moon:this seems the most important as it concerns a stellium...

my emotional Self in this life is closely tied with my past life.it is about love,energy,warrior traits,and fate.Maybe that is why i love to study these themes of reencarnation so much?

Draco Venus(r) cj my nKiron:this is hard.my venus retro shows already that i have some karmic lessons to do on what concerns to love. this lifetime,my kiron is tied to that. so probably meaning that in order to reach the cure,iīlll have to suffer a bit,open up the wounds.

Draco Mercury cj nMC:something hidden there as it is in the 12th...so my MC now is tied with my mercurian qualities of the past?

i have draco asc.DSC Cap
draco IC/Aries MC.

So,from a Higher Self perspective/Purpose i see that im more sensitive,prone to family/home things. i search for secure,serious and earthy commitments,and im very librian in the way that my deepestself Loves beauty/arts/to be in a love relationship.

what do you think?

posted May 19, 2010 09:53 AM              

the DRACONICS ALWAYS SHOWS the Soul+s that are more intimate,and part of our Soul Family.

If you wanna see if a person is part og your soul family,a closest soulmate of yours...just firts choose the chart " NATAL-DRACONIC COMPARISON" of your own chart. and then of the other person.

you will see what each one has brought from the Past/each oneīs Soul lessons,and then you can go and see through the natal sinastry,the important conjunctions.

with my by the ones more interesting are these:

JOHNīS DRACO HANNA cj his n.Kiron/Boda. My n.ALMA/MOON conjuncts that.

JOHNīS DRACO MC cj his n,GALATEA/NAME ASTEROIDS. My n.IC cj all that.

JOHNīS D.KIRON/BODA cj n.ALMA/MOON. MY n.SPIRIT cj that.

ANNīS DRACO CHILD/JOHNPAUL/MC cj my n.JONNHY. HIS n.MC cj that.

ANNīS DRACO VENUS cj n,KIRON/ANNA. HIS mars/ceres opose it.

ANNīS D.ASC/HANNA cj n.BODA. HIS n.NN wide cj it.

ANNīS D.NEPTUNE cj my nASC/HANNA. his n.Sun cj it.

Seems that asteroid names,the Moon and the "spiritual asteroids" figure strongly when one person is a closest soulmate of ours,in the draco-natal comparison.

USE:

ALMA
NAME ASTEROIDS
SPIRIT
GALATEA
ANGEL
KARMA
TYCHE

posted May 19, 2010 12:40 PM            

But I agree with you; theoretically it makes sense, especially the conjunction / opposition with Moon. This - along with the tropical nodal axis- is especially important, as the DRaconic chart has lunar symbolism PER SE (because of its calculation).

I would expect strong aspects to ASC and IC (Moon-point), too. And also to the Sun (the nodal axis actually is calculated by both, MOON and SUN).

I would say that if there are NO conjunctions / oppositions to these - Sun, Moon, ASC, IC, nodal axis-, the chances are pretty scarce that two people are of the same soulgroup.

I would also take notice of strong Saturnian links, as these might emphasise the karmic nature of these chart comparisions even further; Chiron seems to be strong, too (especially if the relationships involved healing - of course this is just a theory of mine, and I still have to investigate some of these charts ), and Pluto seems to be very strong, too, in transformative soulmate relationship (and let`s face it, ALL soulmate relationships are transformative in nature).

And then the spiritual asteroids might figure in, alright. But let`s say a couple has a dozen aspects with Alma and Spirit, but not a SINGLE one to Moon, ASC, IC, NN or Sun - I would hesitate very much to conclude they are of the same soulgroup.
I just believe that we first have to check the frame and then we can consider the fillings.

If we donīt do this, we might come to the wrong conclusion, that Christian Bale is my soulmate because his exact-Isis-Angel-conjunction falls onto my Draco Saturn.
Of course Christian Bale is a bad example, as his Dr Pluto is conjunct my Venus and my Dr Pluto is conjunct his Venus. lol

Anyway, with all the spiritual asteroids that are there, it could happen easily, that they will aspect something randomly in our charts.

I think the chance is bigger that we hit a "real soul group spot", if it is tied to the most individual factors in a chart, and these are the angles and Moon.

posted May 19, 2010 01:02 PM              

i just used my chart and JOhnīs...

i just talked about those above cause the other ones with the angles and personals ive already looked at many times....

yeah about saturn and pluto - johns satu/plut draco are right on my draco asc.

yes about sun-mine cj his venus there

my IC cj his DSC 3š

kiron too:mine trines his moon and his trine my sun . nice one!

about the Nodes not that mych going on..just my SN cj his Jonnhy. what does GALATEA means DD? cause we have a DW NN/Galatea there..

posted May 19, 2010 01:09 PM            

BTW why did you use Galatea?

synastry 1:
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his Sun conjunct my Dr Sun and Dr Mercury
his Moon opposite my Dr Galatea (on his name in his chart, which opposes my name in my chart!)
his Venus opposite my Dr Saturn
his Jupiter conjunct my Dr Tyche
his Saturn opposite my Dr Chiron
his Neptune conjunct my Dr Vertex
his Pluto conjunct my my Dr Name
his Kerstin / his Chiron opposes my Dr Kerstin
his Karma opposes my Dr Saturn
his Alma conjunct my Dr Anti-Vertex
his Alma opposes my Dr Eros
his Spirit conjunct my Dr Jupiter
his Angel conjunct my Dr Desc exactly
his Angel opposes my Dr Neptune and Dr Angel
his XX (his name) conjunct my Dr Galatea (and Lancelot)

my Sun conjunct his Dr Alma
my Sun opposite his Dr Neptune
my Moon conjunct his Dr Spirit
my Venus conjunct his Dr Moon
my Uranus conjunct his Dr Mars
my Pluto opposite his Dr Uranus
my Tyhce opposite his Dr Angel
my Chiron opposite his Dr Kerstin
my Chiron conjunct his Dr Pluto
my Chiron opposite his Dr Chiron
my Karma conjunct his Dr Tyche
my Karma opposite his Dr Venus

posted May 19, 2010 01:14 PM            

Pygmalion was an artist and he made the sculpture of Galatea. He found her to be so beautiful, that he fell in love with this statue.
Aphrodite finally heard his prayers and made Galatea come alive, and both were joined in a blissful, ecstatic marriage. One of the very few tales with a happy end.

Galatea thus relates to the "object of affection/ desire / obsession".
I think personal planets falling onto our Galatea might embody qualities that we find irresistible.

On a funny sidenote:
Jude`s Galatea falls exactly onto my Sun (along with his Isolda). I would have expected it the other way round though.

Oh just noticed my name in his chart is conjunct his Galatea (and my Sun), too.

posted May 19, 2010 01:32 PM            

I have a really nice draconic with someone, there are lots of aspects to Venus, including a Yod with Venus as the apex. The draco to tropicals also has nice synastry.

All are 1 degree orb or closer unless noted:

drSUN/drPLUTO (2)
drJUNO/drVALENTINE
drVENUS/drVERTEX
drSATURN/drUNION
drVERTEX/drIC conjunct my natal Moon
drPSYCHE/drSATURN-LILITH (2)
drMARS/drMARS conjunct his natal Mars
drKARMA/drDSC and drKARMA in 7th house
YOD of drVENUS/both drMARS/drSATURN & UNION (this yod is also activated by his natal Mars)

His drMERCURY is also conjunct my natal Mercury and his drMOON exact conjunct my natal Venus.

Wider orbs: drMOON/drASC (4) and his drSATURN/LILITH on my drDSC (4).

Our natal synastry isn't too shabby but when you factor in the draconics it's pretty clear there's something going on there, don't you think?

Also, how do you feel about using the Vertex in a draco chart? Do you still feel it's significant when looking at the "past"?

posted May 19, 2010 01:45 PM            

I haven't checked any spiritual asteroids, I had a reading done on this chart though so I'll look to see if any are there and if they weren't checked I'll look. Part of Fortune is something I leave out a lot also, might have to take a look.

I'm pretty confident this person is one of my soulmates, we share a strong bond but also drive each other a bit crazy too. Our Saturn ties are like cement though, he's kind of impossible to get rid of--I have tried. I'm not sure whether we'll end up as forever loves in this life but this chart pretty much tells me that's it's happened at least once before.

posted May 19, 2010 02:51 PM            

I think these are the most significant ones:

drSUN/drPLUTO (2)
drVENUS/drVERTEX
drVERTEX/drIC conjunct my natal Moon
drMARS/drMARS conjunct his natal Mars

his drMOON exact conjunct my natal Venus.

Wider orbs: drMOON/drASC (4) and his drSATURN/LILITH on my drDSC (4).
- if these only had a narrower orb. Are you sure about your ASC`s degrees?

Lara,

do you mean that each of you has a Chiron-Venus aspect from draco to tropical (in the natals)?

posted May 19, 2010 03:43 PM            

his Sun opposite my Dr Ceres
his Moon opposite my Dr Ceres
his IC conjunct my Dr Ceres
his ASC conjunct my Dr ASC
his ASC conjunct my Dr Mars
his ASC conjunct my Dr Amor

his Venus conjunct my Dr Pluto
his Venus conjunct my Dr MC

his Saturn opposite my Dr Neptune
his SAturn conjunct my Dr DESC
his Chiron conjunct my Dr Antivertex
his Chiron opposite my Dr Eros
his Karma conjunct my Dr Karma
his Ceres opposite my Dr Karma
his Vertex conjunct my Dr DESC
his Antivertex conjunct my Dr Neptune

his Juno conjunct my Dr IC
his Juno opposite my Dr Pluto
his BML opposite my Dr Valentine

my Saturn conjunct his Dr Neptune
my Uranus opposite his Dr Karma
my Pluto conjunct his Dr Eros
my Pluto opposite his Dr Mars
my Pluto opposite his Dr Amor
my Neptune conjunct his Dr Chiron
my NN conjunct his Dr Chiron
my ASC conjunct his Dr Chiron
my MC conjunct his Dr Eros
my IC conjunct his Dr Amor
my Psyche conjunct his Dr Juno
my Psyche opposite his Dr Venus
my BML conjunct his Dr Juno
my BML opposite his Dr Venus
mmy Chiron conjunct his Dr DESC
my Karma conjunct his Dr Valentine
my Vertex conjunct his Dr Neptune
my Eros conjunct his Dr Neptune

His Dr Sun conjunct my Dr IC
his Dr Sun opposite my Dr Pluto
his Dr Moon conjunct my Dr IC
his Dr Moon opposite my Dr Pluto
his Dr MC conjunct my Dr IC
his Dr IC conjunct my Dr Pluto

his Dr Saturn conjunct my Dr Venus
his Dr Vertex conjunct my Dr Venus
his Dr DESC conjunct my Dr Venus (4)

his Dr Chiron opposite my Dr Moon

his Dr Psyche conjunct my Dr DESC
his Dr Psyche opposite my Dr Mars
his Dr Psyche opposite my Dr Amor
his Dr Eros conjunct my Dr Karma
his Dr Ceres conjunct my Dr SAturn
his Dr Amor opposite my Dr Karma

his Dr true BML conjunct my Dr Neptune
his Dr true BML conjunct my Dr Mars
his Dr BML conjunct my Dr Sun (and Mercury)
his Dr true BML conjunct my Dr ASC (0-00!)
his Dr Valentine conjunct my Dr true BML exact

WE have these DW`s:
his Saturn opposite my Dr Neptune
my Saturn conjunct his Dr Neptune

his Antivertex conjunct my Dr Neptune
my Vertex conjunct his Dr Neptune

his BML opposite my Dr Valentine
his Dr Valentine conjunct my Dr True BML

my ASC conjunct his Dr Chiron
his Dr DESC conjunct my Chiron

posted May 19, 2010 03:49 PM            

His draco venus 18'13 pisces
his natal chiron 17'29 pisces

my draco venus 2'54 aries
my natal chiron 1.23 aries

How odd is that?!
We have conjunct suns in this life 0'
both our draco saturn are on 29th degree.
My draco venus is 2' aries so it conjuncts everyone's draco NN which i find absolutely in line with all my love relationships in this life! All fated and holding huge lessons along the way.

posted May 19, 2010 03:58 PM            

It makes sense though. planets on the NN seem to be either very dominant in people or are big lessons (I guess it depends on the individuals), and since these planets on the NN are such a vital part of the personality and lifepath of a person, it makes sense that it will become obvious to the other people around.

In my case it is Neptune (on 29°47 Pisces), it is so much a part of my nature/soul; it makes sense that others should see it about me, too.

But having said that, it is not a particularly individual placement, as it is something that my synastry with ALL people have in common.

About that Dr Venus-natal Chiron link up. That is very interesting. The Healing of love(wounds) seems to play a part. Maybe it means that now can be healed (tropical Chiron) what wounded both your love natures in the past (Draco Venus).

posted May 19, 2010 04:08 PM            

my natal to his draco (under 1')
my natal saturn/NN cj his dr kaali/vertex
my natal sun/moon MP cj his dr persephone
my natal union cj his dr union
my natal valentine cj his dr cupid
my natal kaali cj his dr juno
my natal juno cj his dr psyche
my natal vertex cj his dr proserpina
my natal DNA cj his dr venus

my draco to his natal
my dr moon cj his natal osiris
my dr union cj his natal jupiter
my dr proserpina cj his natal mercury/isis/sun
my dr briede cj his natal proserpina
my dr cupid cj his natal venus
my dr valentine cj his natal NN
my dr vertex cj his natal union
my dr boda cj his natal pluto
my dr siva cj his natal karma
my dr psyche cj his natal siva
my dr groom cj his natal destinn
my dr groom cj his natal sun/moon MP and angel
my dr saturn cj his natal DNA

Quite interesting interaction

posted May 19, 2010 04:09 PM            

1. looks pretty karmic (with all the Saturn and Karma there)

2. definitely a past life family connection (I mean his Dr Sun, Dr Moon, Dr MC on my Dr IC plus his Juno on my Dr IC - how can that NOT be indicative of a family relationship? Even though with Juno there, a past life marriage might have been possible)

3. but it is not all just family like; there are some more romantic ties (like Venus-Vertex, Vertex-DESC, Valentine-Karma and so on).

4. there seems to have been a very strong sexual and passionate undercurrent, which might even have been scary due to some powerful primal overtones (a really strong BML for both of us, all these Pluto aspects, oh so many Pluto aspects). Power seems to have been an issue.

5. Wounding (and healing) seems to be a strong theme (Chiron aspects)

6. The Neptune aspects were pretty interesting, too; maybe a dissolving of boundaries? Some spiritual connotations?
Especially the Saturn-Neptune DW speaks of a potential of being able to dissolve some walls, so to speak.

posted May 19, 2010 04:14 PM            

Do you mean natals on those degrees or draco or both?

his n CHIRON 17' pisces
his dr VENUS 18' pisces
his n VERTEX 18' pisces
my n DNA 19' pisces
my n PLUTO 20' virgo
my dr ANGEL 20' virgo

Is that what you mean?

in tropical we have
his VENUS sq my pluto and DNA
my VENUS cj his n mars and dr vertex!

posted May 19, 2010 04:26 PM            

I just looked at some of the more "esoteric" asteroids in this synastry.

And, WOW.

in the tropical his Kaali is on my ASC/NN and his Isis is on my DESC and SN, so I thought it might be interesting to check for the Egyptian / Indian soulmate pairings.

his Dr Osiris conjunct my Dr Saturn
his Dr Isis conjuncts my Isis and Osiris PRECISELY
his Osiris opposes my Dr Karma
his Isis conjunct my Dr Moon
(my Dr Isis and Dr Osiris exactly trine his Sun and Moon)

his Dr Kaali opposes my Venus
his Dr Kaali trines my Dr Siva exactly
his Kaali opposes my Dr Moon
his Dr Siva conjuncts my Parvati
his Siva conjunct my Dr Pluto
his Dr Parvati conjuncts my Dr DESC
his Parvati widely conjunct my Dr Siva (4)
my Dr Isis and Dr Osiris conjunct his Dr Saturn, Dr Vertex and Dr Karma

DW`s on:

his Osiris conjunct my Dr Saturn
my Dr Osiris conjunct his Dr Saturn

his Osiris opposes my Dr Karma
my Dr Osiris conjunct his Dr Karma

his Isis conjunct my Dr Moon
my Dr Isis trine his Moon

posted May 19, 2010 04:44 PM            

Here's my DR chart with my bf.

We don't have Venus cj pluto in synastry, but have a square in composite. BUT Dr shows the conj!

posted May 19, 2010 04:56 PM            

Could you check Belinda Carlisle's synastry with Morgan Mason in regards to Draconics?

I already did synastry here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204283.html

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posted May 19, 2010 04:57 PM            

very powerful Draconic synastry.
This Moon-Pluto-Psyche / Moon-Venus conjunction looks like an emotional and very intense powerhouse. And all in your 7th houses! And in Scorpio!

Where does it fall into your tropical chart?

Lara,

posted May 19, 2010 05:01 PM            

yes I will do so. But it could take a bit, as right now I am ready to fall asleep, and tomorrow will be probably a busy day. But if I find a moment, I will look at this.