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Topic: What do you consider the best indicators of marriage between two people?
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MyVirgoMask
Knowflake Posts: 2524
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: May 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 05:41 PM
 
Aww, poor 5th house! Why light romance? I can also associate having children with that house since it's so prominent for that. IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
Knowflake Posts: 390
From: Mercury
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 06:30 PM
Angel100, our Venus Juno conjunction is about 3.5 degrees apart. My Juno is 8*18' Aquarius and her Venus is 11*45' Aquarius.My Venus is 29*16' Cancer and her Jupiter is 29*18' Rx in Cancer. ------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
belgz
Knowflake Posts: 1540
From: Planet love :)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 06:38 PM
Juno is a load of crap if you ask me.My ex bf's venus was conjunct my juno and my mars and sun was opposite his juno. Exactly the description that it says people should have in synastry to show marriage. My sun.mercury and mars are on his ascendant. His mars on mine. Moon trine moon. All the great saturn aspects. And no marriage after 10 years, unlikely in the next 10 years as well. IP: Logged |
angel100
Knowflake Posts: 110
From: Ireland
Registered: Nov 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 06:44 PM
Belgz, was there anything in your ex's chart to show that he wasn't ready for or din't want marriage? Any sinister venus/uranus square?IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
Knowflake Posts: 2524
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: May 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 06:58 PM
LOL @ sinister for the Venus/Uranus!!
My mother has that aspect as does my stepfather and biological father.
It's got nothing to do with lacking commitment!
These people do not shirk commitment or marriage, believe me lolIP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
Knowflake Posts: 2524
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posted May 23, 2010 07:05 PM
My ex and I had Juno/Mars conjunction, Juno/Juno conj, and we married but I hardly think that was like 'the' marriage aspect because we were also so close in age and only like 5-6 months apart. I firmly believe the vertex is something to be looked at as well - I'm almost inclined to look at it like a very sensitive angle. My sun was dead-on hi vertex while his Sun was right on my MC. IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
Knowflake Posts: 390
From: Mercury
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 07:38 PM
Belgz, if you don't mind me asking, what stopped you two from getting married?------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 928
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 08:44 PM
No Magi bashing in the next few days, promise. Marriage, as opposed to compatability, involves house 7.Both 7th ruler (and 1st rulers) in good relation to each other by aspect/degree.
Both good and bad aspects for good or bad marriage. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
Knowflake Posts: 2524
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: May 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 09:04 PM
But what if the 7th house rulers are generational planets, and the two people have the same ones, and they are close in age, Coffee? Where else would you look?PS - good to see you  IP: Logged |
amowls*
Knowflake Posts: 1198
From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 09:12 PM
quote:
Any sinister venus/uranus square?
Puhleeeez, I have this to the exact degree and I am never not in a committed relationship. quote:
Both 7th ruler (and 1st rulers) in good relation to each other by aspect/degree.
Both good and bad aspects for good or bad marriage.
I have my ASC ruler trine my boyfriend's DSC ruler and I don't think we're getting married. He doesn't believe in marriage. IP: Logged |
Lara
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 09:14 PM
I'm gonna go with coffee on this one  Hey Coffee! How are ya? IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
Registered: May 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 10:32 PM
In progressed Synastry the general trend has been; pSun/nSun in aspect to another pVenus/nVenus. In combination to either individual having their pSun/pVenus in conjunction to their own nVenus/nSun. Or a progressed First-Quarter Moon. The progressed First-Quarter Moon, if/when the progressed New Moon is started at the 4th house position, instead of the 1st house position, will be equal to a transit to the 7th house. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2010 11:34 PM
Belinda Carlisle is still married to Morgan Mason in spite of 5 Saturn clashes and THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM aspect (Venus-Chiron clash),Juno aspects as well as Sun square Moon.
They married in 1986.
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jane
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posted May 24, 2010 01:45 AM
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 928
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 04:06 AM
MVM, 7th and 1st rulers to look at in relation to the other. Yeah, similar 7th is good, maybe not for 2 people who like it easier.
Yes, I remember that name!
Good Lara, thanks. Nice to see familiar people. Sure you're as good as ever.
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belgz
Knowflake Posts: 1540
From: Planet love :)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 04:16 AM
I have uranus and jupiter square venus. He has uranus trine venus. But he never astrays and he has never dated anyone other than me while I will get annoyed and date others.
Gotgemini,
We didn't get married because he was a mummys boy. His family didn't accept me because I'm not a traditional Turkish girl with the same values and culture as them. Also the number one reason is because I am not the same type of Muslim as he is.. he follows a group called alewi while I am sunni. But I don't get why that matters when we live in Australia and he doesn't even believe in religion! He proposed to me many years ago in our second year of dating and I said no, but after 8 years I wanted to settle down and he agreed, I got pregnant and then his mum found out and she didn't want it and said its either "her" or "us" and him being a chicken and wrapped around his familys fingers he got scared he would lose his family and made up every excuse and we broke up instead. He is a very closed in type person with his ascendant in cancer and ruler in 8th he never talks. He cant defend himself while I am the one always defending him, he's the one who is always trying to calm me down and stop me from argueing with everyone but I can help it I hate it when they are doing injustice on him and always controlling him. We complete each other though because if his Taurus sun wasn't slowing me down I would be flying ont he clouds somewhere always in trouble. IP: Logged |
staborgi
Knowflake Posts: 228
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Registered: Aug 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 05:15 AM
I want to second what Diandra said. I think its an easy trap to fall in- this notion that there are certain aspects that tend to marriage or relationships...I honestly can't say I've noticed commonalities between the synastry charts of marriages or any relationship for that matter. People come together for so many reasons, much of which has to do with their inner world...I think we can all agree that certain aspects might feel "right" or "destined" but I have seen all too often relationships with those same aspects either break up or never really get off the ground. We're all so complex, there are layers and layers of things behind every thought and action we have and one or more aspects in a natal or synastry chart is only going to add a certain shade to the picture, but it's not going to draw the whole picture for you. Sorry for the downer spiel but just wanted to add this to the mix of the conversation since I used to (and still do) fall into the trap of thinking there is some "best indicator" of a certain type of relationship and have more often than not been led astray by that. That being said, one couple I know decided to get married very quickly and despite lots of relational problems over the years, never broke up and 25 years later agree that they are a good match for the conventions of what we normally think a marriage is. In their composite they have the Moon in the 10th exactly trine Jupiter in the 7th. This means they also have exact Moon/Jupiter contacts going both ways in synastry (one is a square, the other a semi-sextile). I think not even so much the nature of the aspect but the exactitude of these planets interacting with each other (Moon being the domicile and family and Jupiter being legality, abundance, sharing) probably has a lot to do with their mutual feeling that they were meant to get married to each other, live together, have a family. Marriage also means different things to different people (another thing to consider)...This couple also has a lot of other ties and natal similarities though that supported this contact so again, I'm weary of giving it all the weight, but yes, Jupiter and the Moon seem important to me when considering the idea of marriage as like, yes let's set up house together, lets have kids, etc. although again, if that's not important to both people it wont matter (something to consider again is that both these individuals have Jupiter conjunct Juno, indicating a jovial type marriage would be a right fit for both of them)IP: Logged |
seeker3030
Knowflake Posts: 163
From: UK
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 06:07 AM
I think I'm coming round to the idea that it is totally individual then - it's just that there seem to be astrological 'trends' for want of a better word for so many things, that it logically followed there would be a few general ones to show marriage in a synastry or composite chart. I think the answer for me personally (and my recent 180 in terms of marriage) is that this person touches my soul in a way no one else has and promises so much of what I perhaps didn't realise I needed. It was him who mentioned marriage (and after about 20 secs of my usual panic and ab-reaction to the very mention of it) I actually started to imagine it and it felt good. He responded to my fear by saying it was fine and marriage was in no way a deal breaker; he's been married before (ended in divorce) and simply said that at its best marriage had been fun and made him feel secure and loved and that his natural reaction to his feelings for me had been to share that with me. I just thought that was beautiful and it calmed my panic. IP: Logged |
staborgi
Knowflake Posts: 228
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posted May 24, 2010 06:13 AM
that is beautiful! I think its really empowering to realize that synastry is totally individual and you can't really compare two couples. You guys are your own special thing and no cookie cut website interpretation can tell you what you are and are not. IP: Logged |
DiandraReborn25
Knowflake Posts: 1548
From: Portugal
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 08:43 AM
Starborgispot on! at least i agree 100% with you. also i remembered another thing: name asteroids. in all charts ive seen the name asteroids are always closely interlinked in charts,wether angels or the destiny´s points. very important. IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
Knowflake Posts: 390
From: Mercury
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 08:59 AM
Wow Belgz! I totally understand. So with you, it's not so muh the chart aspects, but more so free will that kept you from marrying him. To the others, I agree. I think marriage aspects are an individual thing. I found I REALLY need good Mercury contacts with the woman I'm with. If they aren't there, I feel something is missing. And when I say good Mercury contacts, they can be Merc to Merc, Merc to Moon, Merc to Venus, or Merc to Sun. As long as it's trine, conjunct or sextile, I'm good and can put up with a lot of other tense aspects. I guess I need these because I'm a highly Mercurial person having Sun, Mercury, Mars, and Asc in Mercury ruled signs. I wonder if someone who is highly Venusian or Martian may also need good contacts between those planets to make "it" feel right in a relationship. ------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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DiandraReborn25
Knowflake Posts: 1548
From: Portugal
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 09:24 AM
Belgzim so sorry he is like that....i know that cancerians are too attatched to the families...that can go awfully wrong if the cancer man choosed the family over the lover. families always tend to do that with cancerians cause they know that the guy is like that...sensitive,caring and wanting to protect the family members..that serves the family very well on their egoic needs.and often they pressure and manipulate whenever they feel that the cancer boy might be loving the woman,and wanting to free himself. some guys are caught up in that trapp and the relationship dies. im so sorry he choosed that way.but if he did,that only means that he ISNT THE RIGHT GUY FOR YOU.
one day My bf will also have that moment in his life. but i know that he will do the right choice.
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staborgi
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posted May 24, 2010 11:43 AM
Diandra- that's funny, I've been using name asteroids a lot too! Do you mean interlinked as in one person's first name aspecting their last name in the other person's chart? Or that they aspect the asteroids "Angel" and "Destinn"? I'm curious what your observations have been so we can compare notes  IP: Logged |
DiandraReborn25
Knowflake Posts: 1548
From: Portugal
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 24, 2010 12:14 PM
starborii noticed that after i compared my own name with my bf´s name too. and then i looked at my families too! one day i asked IQ and he said that name asteroids works at a LOA frequency. like we attract them in our life,and there is no coincidence whatsoever when we find out close aspects ( many times DW´S ) in the comparison of charts when we look at the names. most o the times i see for example: name asteroid/AC/IC/MC/DC
name asteroid/VX/Destinn/Union/PF/Fortuna
name asteroid with other name asteroid
name asteroid with other DRACO/NATAL angles/personals/NODES with other asteroids i often see with valentine/karma/alma/spirit/union/destinn/Boda( this one is marriage) you wouuldnt believe at the amazing conections i found with for example the 1st meeting charts too! IP: Logged |
Libran lady
Knowflake Posts: 15
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2010
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posted May 24, 2010 01:17 PM
HIThis stuff re asteroids is fascinating.. My ex's named asteroid is exactly conjunct my sun... cant see anything his end tho, maybe thats why I am the one struggling to let go lol IP: Logged |
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