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posted May 30, 2010 12:13 PM         

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I read somewhere that someones ascedant-descendant axis conjunct anothers nodal axis can be a very strong tie in synastry. I have this with my ex, his north node is exactly conjunct my descendant...we break up and yet find a way back to each other..its like a glue effect...has anyone else any experiences with this particular aspect?

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posted May 30, 2010 12:36 PM         

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Hi Angel (that's my name btw ),

I have this with my on/off love of the past year. Same aspect--his NN is conjunct my DSC, his SN and Sun conjunct my ASC.

It is definitely very binding, very hard to permanently part from each other, for better or for worse. There is always a struggle against separation, emotionally and spiritually.

What are your Saturn aspects like? Hard Saturn aspects will reinforce the glue--his Saturn is also exact conjunct my 7th house Sun and my 7th house Saturn exact opposed his Venus.

The nodal axis conjunct the ASC-DSC is one of the aspects indicative of soul ties and/or shared past life experiences. We also have the DW if wider aspects are considered--my NN is conjunct his ASC with an orb of 4 degrees.

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ETA: I've done a lot of contemplating about this particular relationship. The soul work is difficult. There is an attraction/repulsion quality. Drawn together, yet afraid you will eat each other alive. That's been my experience. We each alternate between running/chasing. It doesn't quite feel healthy to me but I'd be curious about your experience. Maybe that friction is there to compel you to figure out your reason for coming together.

This is my first relationship that I felt like I couldn't quite live with the person (usually I would end it if there was that much angst), but definitely can't live without him.

Another thread just reminded me to tell you to check the composite. Boy will that tell the story, and explain things that you couldn't readily see in synastry. Ours certainly does. I would encourage you to look at both the midpoint composite and the Davidson. Both shed light on my relationship in different ways. The Davidson was really a revelation with sign/house interpretations.
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posted May 30, 2010 12:58 PM         

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My saturn is conjunct his venus 2 degree orb....my venus is square his saturn!! You may be right about that saturn glue! lol

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posted May 30, 2010 01:06 PM         

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Hey angel(s),both of you.
I have that with this guy, his NN conjunct my Asc and my NN trine his Asc. He is the only one who has put me through the most miserable time of my life. He is very polite, very nice to talk to, but worse than a yo-yo. Wants to be with me, but when we start getting close he starts shutting me out. He said no the first time, then came back, was doing the yo-yo thing, going back and forth in his feelings, so I broke it off.

But I am not able to get him out of my mind or heart. My mind tells me he is immature and I am better off without him, but if he comes back, I will still walk on fire for him. It is not lust or fear of loneliness it is something more deep which makes me want to slap him senseless and kiss him senseless too,both at the same time LOL.

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posted May 30, 2010 01:14 PM         

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...which makes me want to slap him senseless and kiss him senseless too,both at the same time LOL.

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Exaaaaaaaaactly. My emotions can literally change towards him in a second--I can be SO angry with him but then when I see him...it all melts away and I remember how much I love him.

Maddening.

Angel--that's interesting that you two also have a DW Saturn thing going on.

Do you all have psychic/telepathic experiences with him?

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posted May 30, 2010 01:25 PM         

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Telepathic....hmm.. im not sure but i can see through him if thats what you mean...i know when he's being completely truthfull, in denial, not being honest with himself etc....Im just....drawn to him like a magnet.....i cant help it...there's no logic....Its extra hard because the sexual attraction is there aswell sun tightly square mars..mars tightly square moon....venus exactly opposite mars.....i cant understand it.....

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posted May 30, 2010 01:46 PM         

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I get annoyed that all of these connections seem to affect the female more. I know there's an explanation for that (females are instinctively more in touch with their emotions and often their spirituality than males) but still...

It's very aggravating. But yes, Angel, I guess I was asking do you feel like you have a connection with him that surpasses the ordinary, strong intuition, etc. In my case though that connection is telepathic at times, knowing what he is thinking and feeling, calling each other when thoughts/feelings are strong. I can definitely relate to feeling like you know him inside and out--just the other day he told me that. That I "pay attention" and "get" him better than any other woman ever has.

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posted May 30, 2010 01:52 PM         

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Yes, spot on...that was one of the reasons he said he asked me out in the first place..in his own exact words.."because you get me and because I can be totally myself with you"......

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posted May 30, 2010 01:58 PM         

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What about the other angles? Any thoughts/experiences?

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posted May 30, 2010 02:48 PM         

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My Saturn trines his sun( 5 degrees), uranus(1 degree), pluto(7 degrees) and mercury(0 degrees, maybe that is why he has difficulty talking abt his emotions and starts withdrawing if I get close) have a very wide square with his Venus(8 degrees) and is conjunct his Asc( 6 degrees).
His Saturn is sextile my mars(1 degree)square my NN( 0 degree).
Don't know what these aspects would mean? Does it mean that there is no chance of us being together? I don't even know how to make my heart heal. Why bring him into my life if I was just meant to be miserable? It hurts to even remember the pain and the sorrow I felt and it never seems to stop. How do you set it right?

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posted May 30, 2010 02:57 PM         

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NN on angles says lessons to me. Karmic soulmates maybe - not sure if it means true soulmates though.

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posted May 30, 2010 03:33 PM         

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http://www.themetaarts.com/archives/200308/basilfearington.html

This guy seems to think that there is an unfathomable tie between two people who have the angle/node synastry....it's an interesting read.

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posted May 30, 2010 03:49 PM         

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Good find Angel! I was looking for the promised part 2 of the article and couldn't find it. In the article he also mentions that he shares a Meridian (Midheaven/Nadir) conjunction on his nodal axis with a close friend that is very powerful, so that answers the question about other angles.

Lara: I would agree that other aspects and other charts should be used to clarify the nature of the soul tie. Composite, Draconic, First Meeting, Progressed, etc. should all be similarly strong if the relationship is revealed to be that of true/romantic soulmates.

It's also important not to lose sight of the personal dynamics between you and how you relate to each other in the flesh. All the amazing synastry in the world doesn't mean much if you've never been in the same room together.

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posted May 30, 2010 03:52 PM         

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Agree...
and all the amazing synastry in the world doesn't mean much if you are in the same room together either!

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posted May 30, 2010 03:52 PM         

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I agree with Lara.

People with whom we share a Node-angle connection are very significant for our lifepath (for the NOde person especially), and this often involves spiritual growth and/ or karmic lessons.

I do think though that exact angle conjunctions or conjunctions of ruler of the angles with the angles indicate those soul we are closest to, and these usually are soulmates.

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posted May 30, 2010 04:01 PM         

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I've never looked at rulers of the angles DD, but my Jupiter (MC ruler) is on his Nadir. It's not exact though, it's a degree or so.

One of my best friends and I have the same Ascendant and our angles are all exact conjunct. Her nodal axis also exact conjuncts my Meridian. She is definitely a soulmate, lots of synchronicity in how we met, and we've had some crazy psychic experiences together

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posted May 30, 2010 04:23 PM         

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The only person I have this with (that I know of) is my sister. Her North Node is conjunct my ascendant.

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posted May 30, 2010 04:28 PM         

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Can I ask does anyone have any idea how juno could tie into this. My ascendant is exactly conjunct his south node at 8 deg virgo and his juno is 8 virgo aswell? would juno bring anything to that conjunction at all??

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posted May 30, 2010 05:04 PM         

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Angle/nodes conjunction might not necessarily mean romantic feelings, but I agree that it's a soul connection. I know two friends of different genders who shares this (NN conjunct AC), and from what I see, their friendship helped the NN person a lot in terms of his NN lessons.

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posted May 31, 2010 10:48 AM         

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I share MC/IC NN conjunction with my daughter and the man I am madly in love with.
My North node conjunct her IC to the degree. My Saturn exactly conjunct her Asc.

The man I mentioned had North node conjunct my IC and his Saturn exactly conjunct my ASc.

I started to believe in soulmates and that you meet them after the first Saturn return because of this aspects - I gave birth to my babygirl when I was 31, met him a year later

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posted May 31, 2010 03:44 PM         

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Hi bumblebee
do you mind telling me a little about your experience with the nn/ic connection? Also if you don't mind indulging me, what was the orb?

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posted June 02, 2010 11:14 AM         

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Actually I don't know what to share - my daughter is 2 years old, we didn't have that long relationship, did we? )
Conjunction there is absolutely exact - 0 degree.

With this man I can not say that we have a relationship, what I could say is that I have never seen another man that has such a crush on me. And what about me? ) i am shaken to the core of my being, I cried when he asked me for my phone number ...I can not contriol my emotions even after the very simple conversation whith him....conjunction there is 2 degree orb

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posted June 02, 2010 11:20 AM         

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Bumblebee,

the IC represents the core of your being (you can`t get deeper into your soul than that), so it doesn`t surprise me you wrote that you are shaken to the core of your being.
Robert Blashke wrote that soulmates always have a conjunction to their IC, and I have found the IC to be VERY important in this regard (even though not necessarily in a romantic sense).

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posted June 02, 2010 12:02 PM         

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yes DD, when I started to research our synastry and found this conjunction I realized the importance of IC and conjunctions to angles in general. Sadly I don't know his birth time to determinate if any of my planets and points fall on his angles

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posted June 02, 2010 12:21 PM         

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That`s really sad. Is there no way to get his birthtime.
(He could call his mother; this would be better than to have no idea at all - and for example my mother remembered the exact minute of my birth - we later found my birthcertificate, and it listed the exact same odd time).

And I am absolutely convinced about the IC playing a major role in soulmate connections.
Often there seems to be an aspect connecting IC and DESC, I found that more often than any other connection (including ASC-DESC-aspects).

This could be:

IC aspecting DESC
IC aspecting ruler of DESC
IC-ruler aspecting DESC
IC-ruler aspecting DESC-ruler

Personally I have also found an aspect between both IC-rulers or IC`s or IC and IC-ruler very often. But maybe that is only a personal preference, as I just feel helplessly drawn to these Pisces-ASC and those usually have Mercury as ruler of DESC AND IC, and Mercury is also my own DESC-ruler, so I guess, in my case it nearly always comes together, the IC-ruler and DESC-ruler.

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