posted June 26, 2010 06:25 AM         

Links for all:

1. http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.21.html

2.http://www.astrologyhoroscopes.info/secondaryasc.htm

3. http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/hh7.htm
Here, the Sign of the Secondary Ascendant is said to be the Sign of Self Realization.

posted June 26, 2010 07:39 AM         

reallly???????so he must be a very nice man...im sre of it!

of course,we have anice sinastry!i didnt had any doubts there,you were one of the 1st here to talk to me in the nicest way possible.you´re part of our Group of SS..we are still together after these times..although it is sad that Kat & Steph havent been there for awhile now

i hope that you keep us updated with that secret admirer...is he cute?

DD

as always,,,my favorite one is...Jude!

JOhn´s details are : 29september 1982,lisbon at 1am.

i loved that article DD!

that is exactly what i feel when i think about this new Area of life,to do professionally!

posted June 26, 2010 08:06 AM         

So,my self.realization comes from the 2nd matters?

im a libra asc in Tropical but Scorpio is the one i must practice on,to be able to fullfill my heart´s desire then?

Scorpio is the sign of transformation...hmm that goes in accordance to the fashion adviser thing...doenst it?cause it is a transformation of others,to reach their uttermost potential ( it is much more a psychological process that one think of..).

i didnt looked at this before but:

Arabic Moon cj n.NN/PF/Vesta in 9th- feminine and beauty conects to my Path?

Arabic Venus cj my Mercury 12th near asc
ARABIC VENUS IS CJ MY MUSA!perfect!

Arab Mars cj Sun 11th- must be more active and energetic to reach my potencial?

Arab uranus cj my IC - must shake my deepest Self?

Arab NN in 10th cj Victoria
Arab kiron cj Child
Arab Vertex cj Osiris in 8th

Arab Ceres is cj AMOR 6th - service to others,trhough nurturing & amor.

Arab Pholus cj my Moon in 8th

Arab Karma cj Anubis 12th

Arab Alma cj my NN/PF/Vesta & Aphrodite

Arab Angel cj my Venus 11th

Arab Valentine cj Sun

Arab Mercury cj my saturn/Pluto in the 1st

posted June 26, 2010 08:33 AM         

lol
And thank you.

I am now wondering how much weight to give it in synastry. But so far it seems that the aspects in the secondary chart actually may even be more impressive and exact than in most primary charts.
That is interesting.
Also I found that in those unbalanced, overly passionate relationships that sometimes did not work too smoothly (like Laurence Olivier ´- Vivien Leigh or Diego Rivera - Frida Kahlo), there were far more tight conjunctions / oppositions with Mars and Eros (and sometimes Pluto) than with Juno, Venus and Valentine.
(even though Venus and Pltuo seemed to pop up frequently in both "sorts" of relationship).

Diandra,

*sighs* Jude, hu?
Only because you know him from TV, I guess.

Anyway, in the synastry with Jude the rather erotic aspects grabbed my attention (you know the Mars-Venus and Eros-Psyche-one), while I must admitt I was completely stunned to find a Valentine-True Node-conjunction-DW in the synastry with Patrick, both in Scorpio.
That exact Valentine-ASC-conjunction is not too shabby either, I think.
And I better not start thinking too much about his secondary Mars exactly conjunct my ASC and secondary Sun. lol

IQ,
what do you think about these two synastries?

posted June 26, 2010 09:29 AM         

secret admirerer you say? Was about time!

posted June 26, 2010 11:18 AM         

1. Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward (married for 50 years I think)

her Juno conjunct his ASC

his sec Juno conjunct her sec ASC
her Juno conjunct his sec Sun
her Juno conjunct his sec SN
her sec Juno trine his sec True Node

2. Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett-Browning (married for "only" 16 years, because Elizabeth died)

(his Juno sextile her Sun)

his Juno conjunct her sec SN
his sec Juno trine her sec ASC
her sec Juno conjunct his sec True Node

3. Tom Hanks - Rita Wilson (22 years)

her Juno opposite his Sun

his Juno conjunct her sec ASC

4. Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman (29 years)

his Juno conjunct her ASC

his Juno conjunct her sec Sun
her sec Juno conjunct his sec Moon

5. Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn (they had a 27 year long love affair, but never married nor lived together)

no Juno-aspects (isn`t that telling?

6. Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie
I did not see any Juno-aspects either, but maybe I need to look again

7. Diego Riviera - FRida Kahlo (very passionate relationship, that was almost Burton-Taylor like, married - divorced-remarried-divorced)

his sec Juno conjunct her sec ASC

8. Laurence Olivier - Vivien Leigh (passionate relationship, but that love and passion faded away, at least for her it seemed to; married and divorced)

his sec Juno trine her ASC

9. Richard Burton - Liz Taylor

his Juno conjunct her sec True Node
his sec Juno trine her sec Moon
her Juno trine his ASC and sec Sun

10. Frank Sinatra - Ava Garner (passionate, volatile relationship; married, but divorced quickly)

his sec Juno widely opposite her Moon (3)

11. Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith

his Juno trine her sec True Node
her Juno trine his sec ASC
her sec Juno trine his sec Moon exact

Diandra,

you and John seem to fit into that pattern, too.

posted June 26, 2010 11:22 AM         

we are in the same pattern as a newman-Woodward couple! that must be something really good to have then!

Hmmm maybe symbolizes a soul´s contract to be a committed partner to the other soul?in the present life?

you´re the Queen of Patterns DD!

posted June 26, 2010 11:26 AM         

Seriously, I love finding patterns, cause they usually defy probability, and thus seem to be like arrows to something significant in astrology.

Well, noone really beats the Newman`s. Did you see that these are all conjunctions?

posted June 26, 2010 01:04 PM         

well nobody here on Earth could beat the Newman´s...hmmm did you looked at Patrick Swayze with his wife.they are also a favorite of mine,along with June & JOnhy cash

One time IQ or VenusdeIndia ( i think it was her) said to me that me and JOhn had this life contract to be partners.so...in a way the 2nd chart is showing that at a soul level.

posted June 26, 2010 01:53 PM         

quote:

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I seemed to notice a certain pattern concerning Juno aspecting Sun, Moon, ASC or the nodal axis in tropical / secondary charts.

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yup.

my secondary JUNO opp his tropical AC exact, cj his boda exact and opp my AC
his secondary NN opp my NN exact
his secondary NN trine my DSC
my secondary NN square his sun exact
his secondary moon trine his tropical NN exact and conjuncts my groom exact and trines my briede 1'
my secondary sun cj his tropical ASC and square his MOON
his secondary sun cj my tropical ASC and trine my NN/MOON
his secondary SUN opp mu secondary JUNO
his secondary ASC trine my secondary NN

posted June 26, 2010 01:59 PM         

Sorry I don't know how to quote people yet, someone might need to explain that to me...

But anyway, you responded about to how my Draco and Secondary chart are the the same...

You are right... my ASC squares my NN and my NN squares my Sun. <another sad face!> lol

posted June 26, 2010 02:08 PM         

quote:

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Yes, I remember Kaali being exact on your Regulus.
Do you just "know" that it is there you will find your twinflame, or is there an astrological explanation for this?
Also, I am curious, you DID find your twinflame already, didn`t you?
Wasn`t the one you were talking about some months ago your twinflame?

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No way was he my twinflame... he can't be. Astrology or whatever was mistaken and i'm happy to accept that. If he was, he'd have my best intentions at heart and he didn't. I am glad he isn't either

posted June 26, 2010 02:09 PM         

quote:

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I only thought (or rather felt) once that I had found my twinflame. But well, I was 15 years old, and didn`t even have a clue what a twinflame is.
But I remember talking to a friend of mine about him and by trying to explain my feelings for him I used the image, that it was like "an elastic cord is connecting me to him" It was before I even read anything about soulmates or twinflames.
But as I said I was just 15 years old, and when others started having their romantic crushes on boygroups, I started believing I had "found" my twinflame.
probably he was just some kind of "guide" to bring me on my spiritual path. Because it cannot be denied, that THAT Was the experience / meeting that changed my whole life.
It was like I was having a crossroad before me, and with that meeting I chose the spiritual path. Simple as that.

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Yes i think that we can mistake guides on our spiritual paths as more
I think this is why it's so vital to BE LOVE. I don't worry about twin flames nor soul mates anymore. I feel like i've transcended this obsession

My love and i are going to have a twin flame tattoo and i love that! If we are, great.. if we aren't who cares because no one has ever loved me unconditionally as he does and i am naturally the same way with him.

I think letting go of the TF idea is not a bad thing sometimes. It worked for me cos i met my love

Everyone has a purpose in our lives; to show/teach/guide us. If we surrender to ourselves then life just totally rocks!
I am not even 1% the person i was 8 months ago. Life looks after us if we allow it to, don't you agree?

Nameste DD xx

posted June 26, 2010 02:33 PM         

" I don't worry about twin flames nor soul mates anymore"
This is the same place I am. I somehow have reached that place in the past months. Well, I actually know the EXACT moment when this obsession just poofed and became thin air. It was when I was visiting the cathedral of Canterbury and standing alone in that chamber.
From that moment on it just didn`t matter anymore.

What you say it is important to BE LOVE, that is what it is about, not a name or label or idea. Ideas are being born from the mind. Love is allencompassing. And this is what matters.

And yes I agree with you, that man couldn´t have been your twinflame (I am still not convinced astrology can even show twinflames, but as I said it isn´t even important anymore).
And the guy I was talking about is very important for my life, and he is a guide to me. And that is wonderful and freeing.

I am happy for you that you experience such a great love.

posted June 26, 2010 03:46 PM         

Yes, he is a nice young man indeed. He's a fellow surgeon. Everybody at the hospital likes him, but it seems to me like he is a bit "slippery", maybe because he has a Gemini Moon. I kind of admire him secretely too . Didn't at first, but he kind of grew on me. And the fact that his Venus is so strategically placed on my Vertex and trines and sextiles 60% of my chart sure helps. He is definitely cute, especially when he smiles and you can see those dimples. I think he's Libra Asc, even though he doesn't look much like our beloved Diandra (perhaps second or third decanate?). So now you got me looking at our secondary synastry - my secondary and his natal, as I don't know his birthtime. Here's what we have:

-my sec Sun opposes his Angel (because his Angel is on my natal DC, as Diandra's and I surely can feel that ) and squares his Pluto and Tyche
-my sec Moon (and Neptune) sextile his Mars and Valentine and *might* trine his Moon, depending on birth time
-my sec Mercury opposes his Union, trines his Moon (maybe), his Chiron and his own Mercury, squares his Saturn and Juno, sextiles his Jupiter and Uranus
-my sec Venus opposes his Venus, trines his Pluto, Tyche and Aphrodite, squares his Chiron (ouch) and sextiles his Neptune
-my sec Mars opposes his Mars and Valentine, might trine Moon
-my sec Jupiter squares his Nodes exact (my sec Uranus too, but not exact)
-my sec Saturn conjuncts his Mars, Valentine, Karma and Fortuna
-my sec Pluto conjuncts his Mars and Valentine
-my sec Asc opposes his Juno exact and widely (4deg) conjuncts his Saturn
-my sec MC widely conjuncts his Venus, sextiles his Saturn, trines Juno
-my sec NN trines his Valentine and Mars
-my sec Chiron sextiles his Juno exact
-my sec Juno conjuncts his SN
-my sec Amor conjuncts his Uranus (exact) and squares his Sun (might oppose Moon)
-my sec Eros trines his Juno, squares his Mercury and sextiles his Saturn
-my sec Valentine squares his Neptune (why don't I like this one?)
-my sec Karma conjuncts his Amor and trines his Eros
-my sec Destinn opposes his Venus
-my sec Tyche conj his Destinn and Union
-my sec Union opposes his Mars, Valentine, Karma and Fortuna

Of course, without the birth time it doesn't mean much, I can have most of these aspects with everyone born a day before (like Di) or after him.

posted June 28, 2010 01:39 PM         

if he has dimples...surely he must be a libra asc?

definitely feel the angel/dsc thing!it is not a coincidence that this man was born so close to the day i was born,and we feel so closely friends....

your souls is calling up the ones that are most fond of your soul too.!how nice is that?

that pluto/venus thing is definately powerful!juno with SN!look at that,perhaps he is also someone from your past?Tyche with destinn/union...and karma with amor...any doubts there as why you are so fond of each other?or should i say more than fondness perhaps?