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DD
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posted July 23, 2010 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I was checking some synastry charts and at that occasion I noticed that there seems to be very often a Jupiter-Saturn-aspect in the synastry of couples, who have had a committed relationship.

Just want to know if that was pure coincidental or if anyone here has made the same "discovery".

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posted July 23, 2010 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
EDIT**

woops, i misunderstood the topic, my bad.

we do have a Jupiter-Saturn aspect anyway, we have the opposition, i am the Jupiter, she is the Saturn.

Saturn Rules her 7th, Jupiter either rules my 5th or or Sagittarius in my chart is trapped between 5th/6th.

EDIT**

definitely,

in my current we have:

-- JUPITER --

Her / Me

Jupiter -Trine- Sun
ASC -Conjunct- Jupiter
Venus -Square- Jupiter
Uranus/Saturn -Opp.- Jupiter

-- SATURN --

Saturn -Trine- Sun
Saturn -Square- Venus
Saturn -Conj.- Uranus
Saturn -Opp.- Jupiter
Venus -Square- Saturn
ASC -Opp.- Saturn
Neptune -Conj.- Saturn

--HOUSES--

6th House/5th House

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posted July 23, 2010 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
1) Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie
his Saturn sextile her Jupiter (1)

2) Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith
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3) Diego Rivera - Frida Kahlo
his Jupiter quinkunx her Saturn (1)
his Saturn conjunct her Jupiter (0)

4) Johnny Cash - June Carter
his Saturn trine her Jupiter (2)

5) Johnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis
his Jupiter sextile her Saturn (2)

6) Jude Law - Sadie Frost
his Jupiter sextile her Saturn (0)
his Saturn conjunct her Jupiter (2)

7) a friend of mine and the love of her life (together for 5 years - long distance)
his Saturn square her Jupier (3)

8) friends of mine (together for 10 years, 2 kids)
his Jupiter trine her Saturn (3)
his Saturn sextile her Jupiter (0)

9) Laurence Olivier - Vivien Leigh
not really, his Saturn is exactly quintile her Jupiter though (but I only used the traditional aspects)
no traditional aspects

10) Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman
none

11) Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
his Jupiter conjunct her Saturn (0)

12) Richard Burton - Liz Taylor
his Saturn square her Jupiter (2)

13) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett - Browning
his Saturn conjunct her Jupiter (3)

14) Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn (yearlong affair, but never lived together)
his Saturn opposite her Jupiter (4)

15) Tom Hanks - Rita Wilson
his Jupiter square her Saturn (1)
his Saturn sextile her Jupiter (3)

16) my parents
his Jupiter trine her Saturn (3)


So of 16 synastries this aspect were present in 13. That seems rather high to be coincidental.
But I am curious what you are going to find.

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posted July 23, 2010 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Letram, I was specifically interested in the Jupiter/Saturn-aspects, as the frequent presence of this one kinda surprised me.

And that after I had been finding the Saturn/NN-connection so frequently, too. I wonder if in those cases where one of these two aspects is missing, the other will be present. Hmm, stuff for thought, or a little bit research.

PS
I know these are not very personal aspects, but still they come up so frequently that I think they may have some significance.
So far it seems that the happier couples had conjunction,t rine or sextile between Jupiter and Saturn.
But this sample is far too small to draw real conclusions from this one I guess.

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posted July 23, 2010 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
i think i understand possibly,

Jupiter offers experience, journey?

Saturn offers longetivity, stability, and some kind of management.

perhaps when these two aspect eachother, the equation comes out with : a long experience and journey that is themed to be committed to?

possibly something along those lines.

i just thought of how people say Saturn does bla bla to venus with commitment, saturn seems to bring longetivity/commitment to whatever it touches, and definitely attatchment.

if this is so, then perhaps thats why it is possibly found often in commited couples, the aspect brings the combination of commitment, longevitity, to a journey, experience, and its interesting that jupiter is related to sagittarius which is related to higher educaiton, lessons, saturn is lessons and karmic.. perhaps this is an interesting combination of learning in some way.

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posted July 23, 2010 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Letram,

yes I think that is how I would interprete it, too.
I also think that Juiter and Saturn are a complementary pairing, like Sun and Moon, just on a different level, maybe more socially oriented. They "complete" each other and are stronger together than on their own.
Practical down to earth committed, manifesting Saturn needs a vision to manifest.
And Jupiter needs someone to give his vision / idea a form.

Maybe it`s something like; Saturn provides a form, and Jupiter the content / the idea?

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posted July 24, 2010 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
thats a nice way to look at it, saturn - jupiter

like sun-moon.

i think thats also quite possible theme of how they work together.


what i am curious to understand is what this theme and energy does in synastry?

what are they doing together and what do they bring to the synastry between the individuals that prompts the desire for perhaps a committed relationship?

do you think this theme of the two in aspect could be shared by two planets in synastry aspecting eachother?

e.g. my 9th house Moon conjunct her 10th house Venus.

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posted July 24, 2010 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
DD,
I just looked at ours:

My Saturn trines His Jupiter

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posted July 27, 2010 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
I love this aspect in synastry, and a couple of times i had the Jupiter trine Saturn dw, it was a great feeling. It's a big friendship aspect because Jupiter helps bring some light to all the awkward parts of Saturn, and there is a strong feeling of wanting to work together and make something happen, but not as a duty, just something that you really want to make concrete together. You want to build things together and it just feels *solid* but in a great way. Hard to explain otherwise but it's an amazing bond. It feels like a deep friendship. The conjunction and trine are the ones i like...jupiter opp saturn speaks more to cultural differences, things that get in the way, age or financial status, etc..the conj trine sextile help to bridge all those barriers which is why I give it emphasis in synastry..the people could be quite opposed in religious thinking for example but with this aspect they tend to find it easier to agree to disagree and search for similarities rather than differences. If the Jupiters in synastry are in incompatible elements this aspect helps out, you really do have to relate well to someone's jupiter, imo.

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posted July 27, 2010 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Hm, well I had DW Jupiter/Saturn (trine and square) aspects with a guy that I wasn't in a COMMITTED relationship with.

And actually I have Jupiter/Saturn aspects with all of the guys I've dated... but I date in my own age group and Jupiter/Saturn are semi generational. Jupiter is also the ruler of my DSC.

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posted July 27, 2010 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Great description, Lonake.


Amowls,

yes I agree it is semis-generational, even though the tight aspects are still not in effect for a very long time.


"Hm, well I had DW Jupiter/Saturn (trine and square) aspects with a guy that I wasn't in a COMMITTED relationship with."
I think that is one of the problems with astrology in general.
You will always have beautiful aspects (like for example Venus-Mars-conjunction or Sun-Moon-trine) with people you never have a relationship with.


I also think, that of course a Jupiter-Saturn-aspect is not nearly enough. In the cases I found it there were of course a lot of personal aspects, too.
I just observed that it seemed to be a common theme in committed relationships.

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posted July 27, 2010 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
...If the Jupiters in synastry are in incompatible elements this aspect helps out, you really do have to relate well to someone's jupiter, imo.

Interesting! I always wondered what to think about our bad Jupiter placements;
- both in close inconjunct aspect.
- my Jupiter only makes a lot of bad close aspects to his planets
- his Jupiter qua element totally incompatible to most of my planets inclus. a square to my Venus.

I preferred to stay blind about it.

BUT, here's the balance...

His Saturn TRINE my Jupiter in the very close orb of 0'15*

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posted July 27, 2010 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 27, 2010 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
I think that is one of the problems with astrology in general.
You will always have beautiful aspects (like for example Venus-Mars-conjunction or Sun-Moon-trine) with people you never have a relationship with.

The amount of aspects I have with this guy is ridiculous, too. Especially the DW Vertex/ASC conjunction, each is under 1 degree. It's just really amazing that I met someone like that... he was born in GERMANY. The circumstances of his birth were so perfect that his ASC and MC were perfectly placed enough to produce a vertex that conjuncts my ASC. If he were born in DC, like most people that I know, his Vertex would've shifted 13 degrees, and he wouldn't be as drawn to me.

I honestly believe it's because of our progressed synastry. That's really the one thing I've found in my relationships: we get official if Sun/Mars makes an aspect to Venus. We won't have any of those aspects for about 10 years.

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posted July 27, 2010 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I definitely agree about the exact line up of angles, and on progressed synastry.
ABsolutely most important in timing of a relationship.

But even with the most beautiful progressed aspects it is no guarantee that there WILL be a relationship, but if we flip the coin, IF there is a relationship forming, we will usually find these progressed aspects.

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posted July 28, 2010 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
i looked at progressed-natal synastry in my current,

we had and still have a p.venus-trine sun double whammy.

my progressed DSC was and still is conjunct her sun exactly. (was exact almost from the begining).


my p.Venus sextile her mars almost exact.

my p.moon conjunct her mars & sextile her sun

my p.mars square her mars.

my p.mars trine her moon

her p.mars square my moon

her p.mars trine my mars

her p.venus is on its way (7 degrees currently) into trining my mars.

which will then also oppose my pluto.

my p. moon is currently conjunct her DSC

my p. jupiter is conjunct her asc.

my p. sun & mars currently conjunct her south node.

at he begining her p.moon was conjunct my pluto and square my asc, now its on its way to squaring my sun.


is progressed-progressed synastry important?

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posted July 28, 2010 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Me, too:

His Jupiter 120 my Saturn
(it was and is over).

Many times I see that aspect, not only by famous people. There are normal people with that aspect as well.

I think that is the best aspect in Synastry.

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posted July 28, 2010 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
DD,

For Synastry is most important relationship between Natal Charts from two persons.

Progressed Charts are good for prediction and less in Synastry.

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posted August 02, 2010 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
None of my committed relationships featured Jupiter-Saturn synastry.

My SO and I have those two planets cnj in our composite, though.

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posted August 03, 2010 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Bonadea,

have to politely disagree.
Progressed charts are INVALUABLE for synastry, for the PRESENT (yet passing) connections on t he GROUND of the underlying synastry.
Progressed synastry and transiting planets may even be a clue to find out WHAT is being triggered in a natal synastry chart and what is lying dormant.

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posted August 03, 2010 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Drat, Jane,

killjoy!

But I will accept a Jupiter-Saturn aspect in composite, too.

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posted August 03, 2010 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
My mom's Jupiter in Aries is square my dad's Capricorn Saturn. In my case, my Aqua Jupiter is square my bf's Saturn. And what happens here?

Well, both me and my mom feels like our partners are like cold water from time to time lol. It's like the Saturn person seems grumpy/negative and critical when the Jupiter person wants to have fun; and then the Jupiter person is being too optimistic or carefree when the Saturn person wants to be careful. So sometimes, the Jupiter person might feel that his/her optimism is being unappreciated, while the Saturn person might feel that his seriousness is being belittled too.

Interesting is, now that I think about it, dad has Aries Moon and mom has Capricorn Moon. And in my case I have Scorpio Saturn/Pluto and an 8th house stellium, while my bf has Moon square Uranus and some air/fire planets to get along with my Jupiter.

Basically, what I feel is that as long as I don't get too many mad ideas (Jupiter) or he doesn't get too critical (Saturn), and as long as we both try to understand each other, this aspect isn't really a problem.

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posted August 03, 2010 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
DD

I have Jupiter conj his Saturn with the guy I was involved with this year (and we have/had a 12 yr friendship before hand). God only knows if we will have a friendship in the future...

Our progressed charts to natal/prog are lit up like Christmas trees... especially with Venus and our 7th house rulers (but natally we have a lot of Venus aspects and between us too)

this is only with our Suns...
B is Me, D is Him... N is for Natal, P for Prog

BN Sun Trine DP Venus (applying 1.30)
BN Sun Square DP Aphro (separating 1.30)
BN Sun Trine DP Merc (Sepa 2.05)

D N Sun square B P Venus (applying 1.10)
D N Sun sextile B P Psyche ( applying 1.10)
D N Sun sextile B P Merc (applying 1.10)
D N Sun Trine BP Moon (sepa 1.20)

BP Sun square DP Venus (sepa 0.20)
BP Sun square DP Merc (sepa 0.20)
BP Sun square DP Valen ( sepa 2.20)
BP Sun sextile DP Aphro (applying 0.15)
DP Sun square BP Moon (exact)

DP Sun Trine BN Jupiter (exact) Both of our 7th house rulers here...
DP Sun Trine BN Merc (sepa 2.00)

BP Sun Trine DN Jupiter (applying 2.30)

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