posted August 05, 2010 01:10 PM            

Interestingly when I was younger I also had a dream of my husband killing me. actually I only remember running away through the fields, knowing that if he caught up with me, I probably wouldnīt survive the subsequent beating.
So I was running to a little wooden hut, there I wanted to meet my lover, as we had planned to run away together.
I don`t know how my husband noticed something wrong about me or why he was chasing after me.
But I knew I had to reach that hut or I would be lost.
It never occured to me that I might endanger my lover, too.
Anyway, I DID reach the hut, and implored my lover to just turn around and run away, to NOT risk a confrontation with my husband.
But my lover was so angry, that he wanted to give my husband "a lesson in how to treat a woman". So he stormed towards him; end of it was that my husband killed my lover. What happened to me after that I donīt know; the moment my lover died, I died, too, inside of me, and every hope with him, and I just didn`t care anymore what would happen to me.
I actually still remember that meadow with the trees, the hills, the wooden hut and the old withered fence so well I could draw it, if I could draw.
Well, actually I DID draw the man who was my lover in that dream, later on.

Your dream reminded me of that one. I never put up a horary for that though. lol

posted August 05, 2010 01:18 PM            

Besides your Cap Venus, what in your chart reflects how that event influences you psychologically in this life?

posted August 05, 2010 01:29 PM            

Retograde Karma is in Gemini in 7th house trine Moon.
Hmm, ruler of my 12th house, Pluto, on the MC, squaring Venus in 1st house, ruler of 5th (and 10th house)? Maybe?

Ruler of 8th house, Moon, in 2nd, exact quinkunx ruler of 2nd house, Saturn in 8th.

Draco Pluto (remember? ruler of 12th house) exactly conjunct tropical Anubis at the end of Capricorn.
Maybe I would have to look at Medea or other choleric asteroids.
Othello and Desdemona maybe?

Dr Moon, ruler of 8th house, opposing ASC and Mars, ruler of 4th house, squaring Lilith and Hekate, my Draco name and also Ishtar on the other side.

posted August 05, 2010 01:36 PM            

Since separating aspects show what already occurred, perhaps those could be used to explain what was motivating the people involved?

posted August 05, 2010 02:16 PM            

Yes the Dr Pluto conjunct Anubis is freaking me out a bit.
Funny connections to Patrick`s chart though.

my Anubis 28.1 Capricorn
my Draco Pluto 28.5 Capricorn
his Venus 25.5 Capricorn
his Siva 27.5 Capricorn
his Anubis 1.5 Aquarius
his Draco IC 26 Capricorn

his Juno 27.3 Cancer
his Dr Sun 25.3 Cancer
his Dr Moon 27.1 Cancer

my Nessus 28.1 Gemini retro
his IC 27.2 Gemini

his Sun 26.5 Sag
his Moon 28.3 Sag

my Draco Venus 25.5 Aries
his Draco Saturn 25.1 Aries

my Valentine 27.3 Scorpio

my Draco Angel 27.2 Pisces
my Draco ASC 26.5 Pisces
his Draco true BML 26.5 Pisces (!)
hia ASC 23.1 Pisces

his Saturn 26.3 Virgo

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Digging up some more mud

my Moon on 17 Aquarius
his Draco Nessus on 16.4 Aquarius

my Draco Anubis on 18 Taurus (on my nameasteroid!)
his Draco Pluto on 20 Taurus

my Saturn on 17 Cancer
his Nessus on 18 Cancer
my Draco Dejanira on 20.3 Cancer

my Juno on 17 Pisces
my Draco Valentine on 17.2 Pisces

his Valentine on 19.3 Scorpio

my Karma on 16 Gemini
my Draco true BML on 18.2 Gemini
his Draco Valentine on 18.1 Gemini

my Draco Nessus on 18 Libra
his Pluto on 21.2 Libra
his Draco ASC on 21.5 Libra

my Chiron on 20 Aries
my Draco Sun on 16 Aries

on top of that - picture it!:

his Draco Desdemona exactly conjunct my Pluto
his Draco Dejanirea conjunct my Dejanira
his Draco Medea conjunct my DESC and is exactly on my South Node!

my Draco Meda conjunct his ASC.
my Draco Desdemona (on my Chiron!) opposes his Pluto
my Draco Dejanira exactly square his Pluto (on my DNA)

Did I coincidentally stumble over my killer?

But no, I do not feel the slightest uneasiness around him. Just a certain refusal to remember past lives with him. Like a blanket over my eyes.

posted August 05, 2010 02:34 PM            

So again:

my Anubis on 28.1 Capricorn
my Draco Pluto on 28.5 Capricorn

his Moon on 27.5 Libra

my Draco Venus on 25.5 Aries

my Nessus on 28.1 Gemini
his Draco Chiron on 26 Gemini

my True BML on 28.3 Aquarius
his Draco Venus on 26.1 Aquarius

his Draco SAturn on 28.3 Leo

my Valentine on 27.3 Scorpio
his Mars on 29 Scorpio
his true BML on 27.1 Scorpio
his Draco Angel on 24.1 Scorpio

my Draco Angel on 27.2 Pisces
my Draco ASC on 26.5 Pisces

his Desdemona on 28.1 Virgo

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my Moon on 17 Aquarius
his Draco Juno on 15.2 Aquarius

my Anubis on 18 Taurus

my Saturn on 17 Cancer
my draco Dejanira on 20 Cancer
his SN on 17 Cancer

his Jupiter on 17.1 Capricorn

my Juno on 17 Pisces
my Draco Valentine on 17.2 Pisces
my Draco Medea on 20.4 Pisces
my Draco Amor on 21.5 Pisces
his Draco Sun on 20.4 Pisces

my Karma on 16 Gemini
my draco true BML on 18.2Gemini
his Saturn on 15.3 Gemini
(opposing his Venus on 13 SAg)
his Nessus on 21.2 Gemini
his Draco DNA on 22 Gemini

his Dejanira on 17.2 Sagittarius
his Draco Pluto on 17.3 Sagittarius

my draco Nessus on 18. Libra
(my DNA on 20.2 Libra, my Kassandra is there, too)
his Anubis on 20.2 Libra

posted August 05, 2010 02:43 PM            

my 12th house ruler is Pluto/Mars,
Jude`s 12th house ruler is Pluto/Mars, too
Patrick`s 12th house ruler is Uranus/Saturn

planets and asteroids in 12th house:

my 12th hosue:
Mars, Valentine, Medea, Amor
Draco Hypnos

Jude`s 12th house:
Mars, Neptune, Juno, true BML
Draco Angel

Patrick`s 12th house:
Desdemona
Draco Nessus, Draco Juno

posted August 05, 2010 02:53 PM            

Judeīs tropical Mars, Neptune, Juno and true Lilith fall into his tropical 12th house.
And his DRACO Mars, Neptune, Juno and true Lilith (plus draco Venus, Dejanira, ASC, Mercury and Sun) fall into Patrick`s tropical 12th house!

Jude`s tropical Mars, Neptune, Juno and true Lilith of course also fall into my tropical 12th house.
His Draco Angel falls into my 12th tropical hosue, too.
This also seems to reflect my tropical chart, as I have mars in 12th house, too; Mars seems to be a common thing between us.

Patrick`s Valentine, Nemesis and Uranus fall into my 12th house.
none of his Draco planets fall into my 12th house though.

my Moon, true BML, Psyche, Jupiter and Ceres and Juno fall into his 12th house.
And my Draco Nemesis, Uranus, Valentine, Medea, Mars and Amor fall into his 12th house, too.

posted August 05, 2010 03:26 PM            

The only childhood dream that I recall regarding my death in a previous life is me jumping from a burning house, to save my life, while knowing my family was already dead. All my life I have been afraid of high places. I'm not exactly sure if I managed to save my life. I remember I wasn't alone, I think there was also a man with me (not a family member) who told me I had no choice but to jump, but I remember I didn't want to.
My 12th house is in early Cap, so I'm guessing heavy karma. Saturn is in the 9th, in early Scorpio, conjunct Pluto and in opposition to Mars (which can indicate death through fire). Oddly enough, in my present life I treat patients with burns.

posted August 05, 2010 03:37 PM            

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Can we see a motive in this or should I run a new chart for that?

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My guess would be unrequited love. Because Mars loves Venus immensly, but Venus rejects Mars.

I looked into your Karma Sabian - A BUTTERFLY PRESERVED AND MADE PERFECT WITH A DART THROUGH IT. This definitely speaks of death and the recall of it.

posted August 05, 2010 03:58 PM            

Also your dream, reading about it pinches my heart.
You must have felt so desparate and lost.
Do you think this man might have been a guide?or a huMAN?

Anyway, I recall many dreams of burning houses, too. They scared me a lot, well, fire always scared me. And in those dreams I usually got wake my parents up so they could leave the house.
But some of these dreams, were really heavy, in those I was surrounded by fire. I could even smell it when it reached my skin,b ut then I usually woke up.
The strange thing is that I have been born with a birthmark at my calf that looked like a big burn, but it paled and now it has disappeared.

posted August 05, 2010 04:33 PM            

Do you think you were burned in a previous life, perhaps because of religious views or they thought you were a witch? I think it might be possible, given your highly psychic gifts which you might have from a previous life. I think I was burned too. There are a lot of religious/spiritual symbols in my chart. What is the Sabian of your Karma and your 12th house cusp?
Btw, I also have a birthmark on my right calf. It's an oval something, I don't know what to make of it.

posted August 05, 2010 05:30 PM            

yes, right calf, oval burn mark. You have the same?

And yes, from a young age on I was convinced I had been burned as a witch.
Actually my mum - jokingly - used to say all the time that I should not display my unusual interests, astrology and others, too openly, for other people may think I am a witch.
Well, nowadays my answer is: "I am the daughter of one. So how could I be not?"
Luckily my mum is taking it with a grain of humour nowadays, cause she IS a witch, she doesn`t like to be called like that.

My dad on the other hand swears I am an angel. (the ones with the puffy cheeks, not the beautiful, serious ones though) LOL
no seriously, sometimes they say, that when I am standing in a certain light, my hair is evoking the impression as if I was having a halo. They say so at least. Donīt know, I am not seeing myself.

But yes, I am pretty sure about the witch-thing.

I also feel someone being around very often. Just like know it feels like he is standing behind me, looking over my shoulder to see what I am writing, and is smiling like a goblin.
lol
I donīt think it`s my twin though, I get more the feeling of a guide, if that makes sense.

Oh well, my Karma is on 16.01 Gemini retrograde in 7th house.
Cusp of 12th house is on 21 Scorpio; Pluto is on 9 Libra close to MC. Mars is on 5 Sagittarius in 12th house squaring Hekate and Lilith in Virgo in 9th house. lol

Sabian of Karma:
The Head Of A Robust Youth Changes Into That Of A Mature Thinker

But since it is only one minute from the next one (retrograde) away; I also consider t his:
A Woman Activist In An Emotional Speech Dramatizing Her Cause

12th house cusp Sabian:

equal:
A Calm Lake Bathed In Moonlight

posted August 06, 2010 05:04 AM            

"it might be a burn mark, but it would make sense."
I never doubted it was exactly that. Strange.
Actually one of my first sensory memories associated to either dreams or past life recalls (I nowadays think it was a past life recall, I had as a child) was the smell of smoke and fire, or actually the smell of burnt skin and flesh with the startling realization that it was MY skin that was being burnt.
And yes I know that witches weren`t really burnt all that often (I think they were rather hanged), but I just felt that I have been burnt publicly.

"Perhaps yours faded away because you confronted these issues and dealt with them."
You could be right. It started fading away during my puberty, after I had watched "the name of the rose", though I haven`t finished watching it, as I was getting a hysterical fit in the scene where they threaten to burn that woman. I never learned if she survived, cause I rushed out of the room and was completely hysterical, almost as if my mind had blanked / passed out and my body was just keeping up its functions without any kind of brain-participation on my side. Didnīt last long luckily.

"I have abandoned the Equal House system long ago, I feel Placidus works a lot better,"
Yes, I find that, too.
Actually the housecusps seem to work as sensitive points.

"our Sabian, the one with the hunters and the ducks (which is the Sabian of my MC) speaks of oppression, in my opinion."
Yes, actually it made me think of a witch hunt. Of course I know ducks are not the typical symbol of witches, but they are hunting "wild ducks" and ducks are animals after all, so it is like the "instinctual part" is being hunted down, even though it clearly is not dangerous to anyone (ducks could never do any harm - I LOVE ducks), but it just HAS to be made conform. *shudders*

" think it suits you."
Are you saying I am stubborn?

"Btw, your Karma conjuncts my Valentine, did you know that? My Valentine is 15 Gemini (with the emotional speech, fits me too, doesn't it?)"
Cool, then your Valentine is also trine my Moon.
Maybe we had a loving connection in a past life?
With my Moon aspecting it, it could be a family connection, too.

posted August 06, 2010 04:12 PM            

I never would've known to check out Desdemona if not for you. Boy was I missing out!

In the horary, Desdemona is at 26* Taurus (making it cnj that nasty Algol). It's in the 1st house, so describing myself.

We have Desdemona-Pluto aspects in our Synastry (dw) and Composite. The Comp aspect is exact! Des is in the Comp 12th house along with Karma. (Our Comp Karma is cnj my Sun and his MC, both exact.)

As far as the 12th house goes, mine is ruled by Venus. Venus is in Cap (karmic) in my 3rd house (subconscious made conscious) and is at a critical degree:

posted August 06, 2010 04:13 PM            

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I know I am overdoing it again. I am sorry Jane, but I can`t help it.

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I'm cool with your 3rd house Jupiter doing its thing. I learn from your examples.

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Did I coincidentally stumble over my killer?

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Are you thinking that's why you don't have any past life memories of him?

posted August 06, 2010 04:35 PM            

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in my present life I treat patients with burns.

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God, you're sexy. My Cap Venus drools for you like Homer Simpson drools for a donut.