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Ada_Lovelace
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posted August 07, 2010 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah! I got this figured out.

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posted August 07, 2010 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ada,
I will study it and be back. I am not very good but I make attempts

x o Ami

PS I need to take a break cuz just did Racole's lol
If not tonight--tomorrow--Sweetie

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posted August 07, 2010 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Ami!!

I just got this from Astrothemes.com, it's my Dominant Elements Pie Chart, was kinda surprised Earth was not dominate, then again... maybe not surprised.

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posted August 07, 2010 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
CAN you do this? I am so bad that I hate to ask but can you get the chart that has the degrees.
It has the trines, squares etc with the little numbers next to them like -1, -2, -3 etc
That way you know WHICH aspects play the biggest role in your life .


Ami

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posted August 08, 2010 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Ada,

Do you see the little rectangle on your chart that has F, A, E, and W vertically, and C, F, M horizontally? The F, A, E, W are Fire, Air, Earth, and Water. You have just two planets in Earth (and three planets in Earth-ruled houses). That's why Earth ranks below Air and Water.

What makes up the Air rating is Jupiter, Uranus, Mercury, and your Ascendant being in Air. You also have four planets in Air houses (3rd House, 7th House, and 11th House).

You have Moon, Mars, Neptune, Venus, and Chiron in Water. The Water Houses are the 4th, 8th, and 12th. You only have one planet in a Water house, which says to me that maybe they didn't take the house placements into consideration. It might just be:

Water: 5 planets
Air: 3 planets plus the most significant angle (AC)
Earth: 2 planets
Fire: 1 planet

There's a chart at astro.com that takes the houses into consideration in determining the strongest influences.

I'll say that you're quite the humanitarian. The 11th house deals with friends, social groups, and humanitarianism. Your 11th house cusp is in Virgo. Mercury rules Virgo, and as such Mercury rules your 11th house. Your Mercury is in Aquarius (the sign associated with the 11th house). It's trine Jupiter back in the 11th (which is also in a friendly Air sign). You are all about your social circle. It helps that your Sun is in the communicative 3rd house, and your Ascendant is in friendly Libra.

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Hmmm...it's interesting that your social nature is appointed by masculine influence (Air and Fire). The 3rd and 11th houses are associated with Air. That 11th house ruler is in an Air sign as is your Ascendant.

But in contrast to this Air action, you have some stunning feminine energy (Earth and Water) working in your chart. Your Earth Sun is in sextile to your Moon/Neptune conjunction in Scorpio, and that conjunction sextiles the other Water planet Pluto. Nice blue triangle.

I see these influences, and wonder if people really see the full picture when they meet you. However, you've had time to really integrate your energies into one consistent whole (possibly), so maybe you do present yourself fully when you meet people.

If I had to sum up what I see here, I'd say that you're a very warm, vibrant person. You meld the best of the masculine and feminine energies. Your assertive nature does undermine your real thinking and outlook to a degree. You might come on a bit stronger than you really intend. You're a very nice person underneath.

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posted August 08, 2010 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Ann - No problem, only what's the name of that chart?

AcousticGod - Thank you, interesting. Methinks I am not nearly as integrated as I need to be, studying astrology is helping me to understand myself as I transition from twenty years in a toxic relationship.

Apparently I am not a strong Capricorn, since I have so many non-earth influences. I guess that's why I struggle to live up to the Capricorn ideals... digging in my heels and concentrating on my ambitions and career goals doesn't come as easily to me as I'd like.

I've struggled socially, and I have a strong tendency to self-sabotage. I have felt off-kilter. unbalanced, my entire life and this undermines my self confidence. Getting away from my marriage is LONG overdue.

Masculine vs. Feminine influences - interesting. I have been told I exude sexuality, which surprised me. I never used to get much attention from men, but once I left my marriage I started holding my head up and suddenly men were holding open doors for me and hitting on me - it was kind of strange for this to be happening all-of-a-sudden-like.

I'm working on being more assertive... taking courses in personal empowerment even. I need to re-write the scripts in my head from 20years with someone who rarely to never had a positive thing to say in my direction. In fact his self-esteem was parasitical, he'd feel better about himself by holding me down and thus comparing himself favorably to me. It's hard to pull oneself together after living with that negativity and attack on one's character for so very, very long.

But I have a plan and I'm working my plan... it's hard, the hardest thing I've ever done.

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posted August 08, 2010 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Ada
It is OK. I can do it without that little chart .

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posted August 08, 2010 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I am gonna start with some basic descriptions.
You have Sun in Cap--an earth sign which is practical above all else.
It can see steps to take for the future and map them out like no other sign.
It is the consummate planner.
I really like Cap,especially in friends, cuz I don't have any earth.
If you need real life,practical world help--Cap is your man/woman lol.

You have moon in Scorpio. Some people say they don't like moon in Scorpio cuz it is too intense. *I* love it.
Moon in Scorpio's are loyal. They can keep secrets. You can trust them with secrets which is a big thing and an important thing .
They are intense which is a good thing , too, I think.
IOW, they are not frivilous people. You can talk about deep things with them and they can handle it ,not look at you like they want to escape lol.
They can face the deeper things in life i.e. harder things with a steadiness.
They speak directly ,too, without excess fluff.
Mercury in Aqua makes your thinking global. You are concerned with things outside of your narrow world like global issues whatever your particular ones may be.

Jupiter in Libra makes you ethical. It is important that you find the proper moral way not just do any old thing.

Mars in Scorpio--I love this one. It is an intense Mars. It is like your moon but your moon is your heart--deep emotions --a and Mars is drive.

You have a wonderful drive.It can take you where you need to go. I noticed IQ mentioned it.
It was powerful what he said. He said your Mars in Scorpio would be your saving grace.
Mars in Scorpio is not a frivilous placement.
They like honestly above all else. They have little time for people who are phonies.
They can spot one a mile away and will not waste their time with that kind of person.

If you are ever being untrue or phony with them, they will cut you off as Starkiss said, I think.

You can go after what you want. You have the intensity and drive to do it.

I will be back later and look at the aspects.


As always, I am new, Friends. If I am wrong, tell me .


Ami

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posted August 08, 2010 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Moon Conjunct Neptune( From a website)

There's no shortage of imagination when the Moon is in conjunction to Neptune in the natal chart. How this quality is used depends greatly on the other aspects to this conjunction and the natives' level of maturity. In a difficult chart, over-sensitivity, dependency, self-pity, irresponsibility, escapism, and irrational fears are possible. However, most people with this aspect do not display all or even most of these traits for prolonged periods.

There is a powerful need for a creative outlet for their imaginations. Intuitive and dreamy, these people "feed" on inspiration. They want to connect to something higher than themselves--to rise above the mundane. The idealism of this position is tremendous, but it also opens them up to some serious let-downs. These people grab onto some fantasy, feeling, or inspiration and it takes them so very high, that when reality hits, they fall down hard.

Sensitive to a fault, they live in the world of feelings. They just as easily feel ecstatic as they do pained by life, although these processes are very much private matters that are not usually apparent on the surface of things. They want to believe that people are honest, kind, refined, and good-hearted, and they will pick up any small indication that this could be true. In other words, they find the good in people as much as possible. They are very accepting, and generally make those close to them feel quite free. However, the closer you are to these people, the more you will realize that it can be very easy to burst their bubbles. Emotionally, they can be hard to pin down. They rarely categorize people, and they have a hard time making definite statements or commitments. They do most anything to avoid hurting a loved one's feelings.

People with this aspect generally need a fair amount of "down time", as they are very sensitive to all of the mixed energies of any given milieu. Stress is not something they handle well, and their usual response to difficult situations is escapism.

Emotional nourishment is constantly sought, and these people find it difficult to satisfy their emotional longings. The expression "divine discontent" applies here. Creative outlets help tremendously.

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posted August 08, 2010 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I am new, as I always say lol.
You have moon at 29 degrees. This is called the Anarectic Degree.
It is conjunct Neptune which would magnify this moon in many ways, I think.

The 29th degree is the end of the sign. It could be called tired, diluted or a weak point.

With the moon, you may have a hard time making decisions, coming to decisions.
You may go back and forth, from side to side.
You may delay decisions or may just jump--all of a sudden --from pure exasperation.
It is in the second house which is the house of material security/self esteem.
It makes the things of the house hard to see, hard to grasp , get a hold of.
Do you feel that the material world,possessions/self esteem are hard to hold in your hands in a comfortable way?

Neptune conjunct this moon would make it harder to SEE the practical things of this house i.e. the material world.

Neptune makes things fuzzy and the moon already is having a hard time being decisive.
You indicated your struggle here by trying to get out of your marriage for such a long time.

Anyway--that was my thinking on those two aspects.
Does it sound right/wrong?

Ami

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posted August 08, 2010 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message

AMI ANN ~

Thank you... everything you say seems fairly spot on. The aspect you speak of speak to my frustrations, why I'm not getting any forward momentum worked up. The Cappy Sun in me has plans, but my insecurities and lack of confidence make me unsure of my course and I pretty much shut down. I do escape into my mind - all the time. Some people use drugs or alcohol to escape, no need for all that for me to escape. I appear very lazy, but my mind is never not working.

Not leaving the marriage was more so because I always wanted to believe we'd somehow work it out... I wanted to believe he was a good person, and perhaps in some areas of life he is... but not in how he treated me.

I did our synastry chart and it said only I would ever be in love, I believe that's true.

He could NEVER see our marriage as a partnership, he ALWAYS had to have power and control over me or if he perceived that I had more power, that I was making more money, he was very agreeable and easy to get along with... as soon as he had the upper hand, in his mind, he started pulling power plays on me. I approached the marriage as a partnership (perhaps this is the Libra Rising in me?) and projected "partnership" on him - it took me a long, long time for me to realize he's incapable of operating in the mindset of being partners.

BOTTOMLINE: I was blinded by love and naive to the game playing for many years. I couldn't see what others could plainly see, that he had no respect for me whatsoever. The spell he had over me is FINALLY broken, but it took a long, long time for me to get to that point.

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posted August 08, 2010 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message
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posted August 08, 2010 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I will look at the aspects cuz it seemed that that helped.
I am glad .


x o Ami

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posted August 08, 2010 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message
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With the moon, you may have a hard time making decisions, coming to decisions.
You may go back and forth, from side to side.
You may delay decisions or may just jump--all of a sudden --from pure exasperation.
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TRUE.

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It is in the second house which is the house of material security/self esteem.
It makes the things of the house hard to see, hard to grasp , get a hold of.
Do you feel that the material world,possessions/self esteem are hard to hold in your hands in a comfortable way?

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Absolutely... my primary uphill battle right now is to get employed full-time for the first time in nearly 15 years. I have no self confidence whatsoever. I have been living on the edge financially, with kids depending on me, for too, too long. I'm tired of it but can barely see myself functioning at a level capable of pulling off a full time job along with my parenting responsibilities.

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Neptune conjunct this moon would make it harder to SEE the practical things of this house i.e. the material world.

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YES. I am doing visualization exercises, trying to see myself back out in the working world. I struggle to see myself pulling this off... I am fearful of the future.

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Neptune makes things fuzzy and the moon already is having a hard time being decisive.
You indicated your struggle here by trying to get out of your marriage for such a long time.

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I wrote of my marriage indecision in my last post... I should add that I created a fantasy wherein we were a happy family, which we, of course, were not.


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Anyway--that was my thinking on those two aspects.
Does it sound right/wrong?

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As I said, pretty spot on. Now I need to tackle this and overcome it.


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posted August 08, 2010 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Ann ~

It helped I guess in that "it is what it is"... I still have the same struggles to overcome. It's a tough uphill battle.

I guess I understand better why the Cappy Sun nature which I so want to be strong in is so elusive to me... perhaps this understanding will help me to overcome the hurdles better. I don't know - time will tell.

Your interpretation was spot on, if it had all been rosy I'd know you were off, because my life is not all that rosy.

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I don't know which chart you want... this is synastry, I could also do the composite midpoint chart??


Here is the data on my marriage partner:


Astrological Data used for Short Report - Partner
for Susan (female)
born on 14 Jan 1969 local time 1:14 am
in St.Louis Park, MN (US) U.T. 07:14
93w21, 44n57 sid. time 08:34:55

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree
Sun Capricorn 23°57'22 in house 3
Moon Scorpio 29°20'37 in house 2
Mercury Aquarius 12°51'03 in house 4
Venus Pisces 10°28'18 in house 5
Mars Scorpio 8°38'02 in house 1
Jupiter Libra 5°59'41 end of house 11
Saturn Aries 19°12'53 in house 6
Uranus Libra 3°59'31 in house 11
Neptune Scorpio 28°08'14 in house 2
Pluto Virgo 25°01'31 in house 11
True Node Aries 3°02'02 in house 5
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Libra 29°20'36
2nd House Scorpio 27°11'09
3rd House Capricorn 0°09'47
Imum Coeli Aquarius 6°20'39
5th House Pisces 9°49'55
6th House Aries 7°22'48
Descendant Aries 29°20'36
8th House Taurus 27°11'09
9th House Cancer 0°09'47
Medium Coeli Leo 6°20'39
11th House Virgo 9°49'55
12th House Libra 7°22'48

and Charles Pm (male)
born on 23 July 1965 local time 4:20 pm
in Brunswick, GA (US) U.T. 21:20
81w30, 31n09 sid. time 11:59:35

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree
Sun Leo 0°46'38 in house 8
Moon Taurus 27°25'04 in house 6
Mercury Leo 26°52'53 in house 9
Venus Leo 27°54'22 in house 9
Mars Libra 13°20'54 in house 10
Jupiter Gemini 20°50'41 in house 7
Saturn Pisces 16°41'12 in house 3
Uranus Virgo 12°30'52 in house 9
Neptune Scorpio 17°14'29 in house 11
Pluto Virgo 14°33'14 in house 9
True Node Gemini 12°46'02 in house 6

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Sagittarius 16°23'18
2nd House Capricorn 18°51'15
3rd House Aquarius 24°53'11
Imum Coeli Pisces 29°53'13
5th House Aries 29°38'52
6th House Taurus 24°19'23
Descendant Gemini 16°23'18
8th House Cancer 18°51'15
9th House Leo 24°53'11
Medium Coeli Virgo 29°53'13
11th House Libra 29°38'52
12th House Scorpio 24°19'23

Composite Horoscope midpoint method

PLANETARY POSITIONS
planet sign degree
Sun Libra 27°22'00 in house 11
Moon Aquarius 28°22'50 in house 3
Mercury Scorpio 19°51'58 end of house 12
Venus Gemini 4°11'20 in house 7
Mars Libra 25°59'28 in house 11
Jupiter Leo 13°25'11 in house 9
Saturn Aries 2°57'02 end of house 4
Uranus Virgo 23°15'11 in house 10
Neptune Scorpio 22°41'22 end of house 12
Pluto Virgo 19°47'22 in house 10
True Node Taurus 7°54'02 in house 6
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Scorpio 22°51'57
2nd House Sagittarius 23°01'12
3rd House Capricorn 27°31'29
Imum Coeli Pisces 3°06'56
5th House Aries 4°44'23
6th House Taurus 0°51'05
Descendant Taurus 22°51'57
8th House Gemini 23°01'12
9th House Cancer 27°31'29
Medium Coeli Virgo 3°06'56
11th House Libra 4°44'23
12th House Scorpio 0°51'05

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posted August 08, 2010 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
NO I don't need the composite, Ada.
I am gonna look at some of your aspects and be back. Later, I will look at the synastry.

Ami

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posted August 08, 2010 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I hear your question, Ada. WHY is the Cappy Sun so elusive?
I am looking at some of the aspects. Maybe, I can offer something.


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posted August 08, 2010 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ada_Lovelace     Edit/Delete Message
Jupiter conjunct Uranus
The conjunction of Jupiter with Uranus produces a good deal of restlessness in your nature. You dislike restrictions and like to be the one in charge. You are an organizer, a planner and a doer, and you do especially well when assigned to handle a big project. Your plans have a solid touch of idealism attached. Your basically very lucky, and you usually get full credit for what you do. Sudden and unexpected gains are frequently a product of this aspect.

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This is pretty much a curse at this point, I only have the education and job skills for entry-level peon work... I cannot be in charge, I haven't earned that right. But I wanna be in charge.


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You have this in the 11th house.Are you a group oriented type of person or one who gets involved with causes ?
Have you had good luck/good things happen with groups in your life?
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I am a bible study group of 7 women that's helped me TREMENDOUSLY... I do a little bit of volunteering here and there, did more before kids. Now I feel I can't volunteer elsewhere because I don't really even have it all together to manage my household and kids properly.

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I guess the way I picture this is if someone at the PTA meeting said ,"Who would like to volunteer?" would you?
Would take on the cause and do very well working on it?

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I'm afraid to volunteer at this point, I'm incompetent, I drop the ball constantly. Self-sabotage... get to the end and fail to cross the finish line. Time and time again.


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posted August 08, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Your Cappy Sun has all those good qualities you are yearning for and you wonder why it is not more strongly expressed.
You have Saturn square it. Saturn puts a damper on your ego(Sun).( Saturn seems like cold water. Saturn throws cold water on whatever it touches is what hit me today as a way to see Saturn)
It can take away your confidence, exuberance etc.
It can make you afraid to express yourself so you avoid the spotlight.

Saturn restricts /dampens the places it touches. In this case it is your Ego(Sun)

With time and discipline, Saturn brings maturity and depth of character from overcoming.IOW, Saturn can be overcome and lessons learned which stick with you.
I have it in the 1st house which impedes self esteem so I understand.

Ami

PS LOL ---I erased the Jupiter and thought I would look at the Sun and Mercury .
PPS I am gonna throw something else out there
Your Cappy sun is in the 3rd house--the house of communication. It is squared by Saturn on the 6th house(house of service/work)
I am thinking that you may have insecurity in communicating who you are cuz of the houses placements, too.
Also, there could be restrictions in your work life cuz Saturn is in the work/service house.

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posted August 08, 2010 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
OK----things are getting worked out lol.

You have the desire to be the head of a group but not the confidence.
THAT is cuz of Saturn square Sun ,perhaps.

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posted August 08, 2010 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Also, you have Mercury square Mars.
This could figure in your insecurity.

This aspect gives a fast mind and a quick tongue.
This aspect give a bluntness . Others may not like this. Then, you could shut down cuz you are sensitive to criticism.
This aspect likes to stir up controversy, too lol
Does any of this ring true? If so, it seems like it would be a hard aspect to have with the Sun square Saturn cuz you are bold AND self doubting lol.


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posted August 08, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
OK
I am gonna go out on a limb here and see what you think,Ada.
You have Venus in the 5th house with Pisces on the cusp.
You have Chiron ,there, too and NN(in Aries)
The 5th house is the house of creativity/joy/recreation/sex Is creativity very important to you.
You may not be an artist ,per se, but do you like to do things with creative flair?
Is your house or the way you dress noted for its originality etc
You have Chiron there so there may have been some restriction of your creativity.

You have the NN there too so you aspire to 5th house things.
Perhaps, it is hard for you to let go and just have fun(a 5th house activity)
Your NN is in Aries.
You need fire, boldness, courage and the "Me-first" spirit.

This makes sense from things you have said.


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posted August 08, 2010 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
In the synastry, his Saturn is on your Venus.
You are more affectionate and he may be cold/impervious to your affection.
This must be the aspect people see when they made the comments on your marriage.
It seems like you would have a permanent damper on your inner sense of love and beauty while you are in this relationship.

What happens to our Venus i.e another person's aspects can make us feel beautiful or not.


Ami


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posted August 08, 2010 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Ada
With Pluto in the 11th --have you had problems/upheavals with groups?
IOW, have you been in a group and they turned on you and you were betrayed etc?

Ami


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