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raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Actually it's not really my choice. Its just how it is even before I know they are Scorpio.

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Mblake81
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posted August 13, 2010 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah ive noticed that myself,

Although this is about the only place i bump into it.

-in response to glaucus

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posted August 13, 2010 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
What do you mean its not "your" choice?

Im curious and no, im not trying to set you up.

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raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
It happens all the time with Scorpio men. I don't know why but I could never have a romantic relationship with one. I don't know what it is.

Maybe my Jupiter in Taurus... In the 8th House.

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posted August 13, 2010 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
Alright,

Some confusion here. Is it something about a scorpio that really gets at you or something?

Or lemme phrase it this way,

What is it that i am doing that upsets you so?

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Lara
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posted August 13, 2010 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Don't opposites attract? Venus ruling 8th house with Jupiter there and Jupiter ruling your 3rd (?) what's in your 3rd raspberri? Where is your Venus?

I find repulsion a pretty strong word. Is it the most appropriate word to use to describe your issue with scorpios?

The thing about Scorpio is their ability like Aries (both ruled by mars traditionally) to probe or get under the skin of things. Do you feel x-rayed by them?
Just trying to understand why the strong reaction to action.

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posted August 13, 2010 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

maybe the Scorpios got issues after perceiving how she is,and she has issues with them as a result


after the stuff that she wrote on this thread, she irritates this "Scorpio"

she comes off very "bitchy"

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Lara
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posted August 13, 2010 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I can see that. I'd say possibly pushing buttons subconsciously and psychologically. Also have you noticed Raymond how when someone can't pigeon-hole you they immediately attack you or are repulsed toward you? It's an interesting psychological dynamic.

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posted August 13, 2010 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message

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Glaucus
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posted August 13, 2010 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

another thing

with you being so repulsed when it comes to "Scorpios",

you might want to stay away from "Scorpios" born from October 28th - 30th

That's the period during the year when Sun is conjunct the Geocentric South Eris Node,oppose the Geocentric North Eris Node within 1 degree with Earth conjunct/oppose the Heliocentric Eris Nodes within 1 degree
which is a Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment

I was born on October 29th myself,and so I was born during that same alignment.


but yeah.....we Eris "Scorpios" can be a real pain in the ass, and so we might repulse you more than other "Scorpios"


technically those tropical "Scorpios" are actually constellation "Virgos"
There are 13 constellations on the ecliptic that includes Ophiuchus. Virgo is the largest of them. Sun leaves the Virgo constellation and enters Libra constellation on October 31st.

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raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
OMG every Scorpio guy I have known was always born on Oct 29th.

The last guy was completely obsessed with me and the feelings were not mutual.

And there is another guy who came up to me while I was shopping and wanted to take me out for a drink and he was born on October 29th too and he wanted to sleep with me so badly he wouldn't even let me leave.

IDK what it is.

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posted August 13, 2010 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well i would venture a guess that someone who has already decided how to create a child-genius by repetitive stimuli and eating raw food...would have a hard time with 8th house stuff AND people (scorps) who are familiar with the dark side and chaos like no one else.

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posted August 13, 2010 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Musette     Edit/Delete Message
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Actually Raspberri, what I find interesting is that of the 3, only Emily seems to have a family that introduced her to her craft at an "early age". Both Kieron and Jackie discovered their talents pretty recently, within the last 2 years. Keiron's parents aren't painters, Jackie's parents aren't musicians.

Actually, Kieron's dad is an art dealer, so Kieron was introduced to art and painting very early via his dad's work. Jackie's parents gave her piano and violin lessons from a very young age, and they took her to see Phantom of the Opera, which inspired her to pursue opera singing. It seems to me that all three of these kids have been introduced to their craft at an early age... I'm just clarifying as it would be interesting to see how the parents are represented in their charts as they are definitely a main influence.

I am a bit saddened reading about these children. I'm not aware of many (if any) prodigies who have been pushed to perform on a highly public level who go on to fulfilling, well-functioning lives as an adult. I also agree with Picasso in that there is no such thing as a child prodigy, merely the genius of childhood. Picasso was talking about specifically painting prodigies, but I think that can apply to any art field as most "prodigies" do not carry their talent or interest over in to adulthood.

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What is going on with these kids? Cases like this are popping up all over the world, and is it just me, or does it seem like there are more children like this now than ever? Children who are almost supernaturally talented and incredibly gifted.
I think it's a case of faster, more widespread media alerting us to such kids. I also wonder if it's a result of a type of "Hollywoodization" wherein parents see an easy way to make a buck off their kids, much like the Culkin family did in making their children the wage earners at very young ages. It is very easy now to take a child who displays natural talent, hyper-develop them, get them an agent, and then get a reality show, record deal, etc. Even children who are not exceptionally gifted are being taken to soccer practice, ballet lessons, piano lessons, acting classes, and on and on, on a weekly basis by parents desperate to give their child an edge with their peers and/or to ensure they are "being a good parent" by providing anything and everything that could possibly be "good" for their kids. I could go on.... lol

Anyways, to be astrological about it, I really wonder if this is part of the Pluto in Sagittarius generational effect. Wasn't it during the Pluto-Sagittarius years that "soccer mom" became trendy? Sagittarius is all about exploration, learning, sports, approaching everything (including parenting) with a philosophical bent rather than a conservative and traditional approach, and inspiration in general. That seems to fit with parents driving their children to explore a wide variety of sports and arts in a hyper manner. I remember when I was a kid, some kids might have ballet or piano once a week, and some might play a sport (most of them during the summer only), but we had a LOT of playtime. Sometime in the 90s it changed to where kids began bouncing from one activity to another with very little free time. And going back to the widespread media selling us stories of prodigy children, Sagittarius in Pluto was also responsible for media transformation/rebirth (Antero Alli has written about this). These are just early-formed thoughts on the prodigy subject...

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posted August 14, 2010 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
Diablo i relate to what your saying,

Its true you can push children to hard.

Its true you can not push them enough.

Its a case by case study, in essence.

Some need it, others don't.

Parents at large seem ignorant of this.

**This was not aimed at anyone**

I consider the right amount to be "a light touch"

Like a pickpocket.

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posted August 14, 2010 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
Musette,

Yes i am aware of it too.

Some kids do not need all this.

Take this with a grain of salt please.

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On another note, Glaucus.

I was born November 19,1981 @ 1:56 am. Does that make me a Virgo tropical scorpio? hehe

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posted August 14, 2010 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
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posted August 14, 2010 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Musette,

Great catch about Kieron being influenced by his father being an art dealer. I agree with every one of your points.

I was getting an impression that this thread was suggesting that these children are the result of human advancement or one of those Indigo,Crystal,Starseed

OR that the children's prodigious abilities stem from pastlives


When I have children, I won't try to make them into something. I'd let them grow naturally. I certainly don't believe in eugenics either. I certainly don't believe in raw food diet. I had problems with vegetarianism. It's not for everybody.

If any of my children are like me in regards to neurodivergence, I will make sure that they will have special education therapies. However, they won't be in special education classroom because of the stigma behind those classes that I know from personal,first hand experience. They won't go to a regular school. I don't trust the mainstream school system with their auditory sequential learning environment. They will be in a Montessori or Waldorf School with their multisensory,hands-on learning environment. I guess checking out their natal charts for insight into them wouldn't hurt either.

If I see any type of talent in them at an early age or an interest that they have in something, I will encourage and nourish it. I won't push them though. The important thing is not to make them into something that they are not.

A lot of rightbrained kids are being forced to be leftbrained ones. That was the mistakes that my parents made with me. My mom is very rightbrained person as a neurodivergent. She should have known better. I am not going to make the same mistake.

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posted August 14, 2010 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I was born November 19,1981 @ 1:56 am. Does that make me a Virgo tropical scorpio? "

If you're talking about the placement of the Sun , your tropical Scorpio Sun is located in the constellation of Libra

Virgo is a large constellation.
Sun leaves the Virgo constellation and enters Libra constellation on October 31st.
I was born on the 29th. Therefore,I was born 2 days before the change in constellations.

I always point this out to some Sidereal Zodiac astrologers who get into the "my zodiac is the true one and yours is wrong"

The zodiac that the Siderealists use isn't completely aligned with the constellations because it doesn't consider that the constellations are 13 in number and are of uneven span. They just use an equal 12 sign zodiac.

so actually our Scorpio Suns are different with yours being in Libra constellation and mine being in Virgo constellation


another thing is that Libra constellation used to be the claws of a former big Scorpio constellation

The alpha and beta Libra stars , Zuben Elgenubi and Zuben Elschamali have names that mean the Northern and Southern Claws.

My Scorpio Mercury is in the constellation of Libra and is in alignment with Beta Librae Zuben Elschamali.

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posted August 14, 2010 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I also want to point out that
National Organization for Women (NOW), the liberal feminism nonprofit organization was formed on October 29, 1966,and so NOW has that same Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment.

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posted August 14, 2010 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Rasp,
Nothing wrong in wanting your kids to do well in life, as long as you are not forcing them.
Your ideology of great diet and listening to Western Classical during pregnancy, I can only laud you for it.

Linda Goodman had documented how listening to dolphin or whale frequencies, under water, helped create very psychic child prodigies in Russian experiments in the 1960s.

Listening to Western/Eastern Classical music, Dolphin Frequencies, great diet, genuine feelings of compassion/unconditional love etc attract highly evolved souls to take birth, and do something good for the planet. It is not about the race or even DNA quality, it is about the quality of the Soul who will occupy the body during birth.

The thing is such Souls should never be coerced into achieving what the parents may have missed, and they are sure to do good on a colossal scale. Swami Vivekananda was born to an Aristocratic family, he did not take up the family business but was very much a child prodigy and ultimately achieved greatness.

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posted August 14, 2010 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message
I can only hope parent follow glaucus's wisdom, Let kids be who they are.

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posted August 14, 2010 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Lara wrote:
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The thing about Scorpio is their ability like Aries (both ruled by mars traditionally) to probe or get under the skin of things. Do you feel x-rayed by them?
Just trying to understand why the strong reaction to action.
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Good insight Lara.
This is one of the reasons why many people I know have strong negative reactions to Scorpio men. That feeling of being X-Rayed.
Their eyes get a bit scary during those X-Ray moments.
And they get upset when someone smarter X-Rays them back, they don't want to make eye contact with a superior Mind who can expose them. They really fear being exposed.

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raspberri
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posted August 14, 2010 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
But kids are only who they are because of what they see and learn from their parents.

Thanks iQ.

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posted August 14, 2010 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Musette     Edit/Delete Message
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Musette,

Yes i am aware of it too.

Some kids do not need all this.

Take this with a grain of salt please.


I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be "taking with a grain of salt." Are you referring to your statement that some kids do not need all of this? ??? I seem to be a bit on the fuzzy-headed side of things today...

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posted August 14, 2010 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
But kids are only who they are because of what they see and learn from their parents.

only someone who has never held their newborn in their arms could believe this. my mother agreed with you...she was etherized for my arrival and i was put in the nursery for 24 hours before she saw me with any coherence at all.

when i let her hold my daughter, aged 1 hour, she was mesmerized. she had never held a baby that young.

but i can tell you that despite 20 other kids sharing her birthday in the same labour ward (astrological twins give or take moon positions) they were all unique from birth, with intact personalities even though undeveloped...

chidren are not blank slates upon which we imprint our blessings/curses. they are fully aware souls even before birth.

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