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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted August 13, 2010 01:35 PM
 
In the last few days, I have read about 3 amazing children.Kieron Williamson, an 8 year-old painter: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100813/ap_on_en_ot/eu_britain_painting_prodigy_3 Jackie Evancho, a 10 year-old opera singer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiFZcu9UsIk Emily Bear, a 6 year-old piano player:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUx4t4W4eVY Kieron's paintings are nothing short of spectacular. Jackie has the voice of a trained opera singer three times her age. In Emily's case, although prodigies in music are not exactly uncommon, she also COMPOSES her own music. She's incredible! What is going on with these kids? Cases like this are popping up all over the world, and is it just me, or does it seem like there are more children like this now than ever? Children who are almost supernaturally talented and incredibly gifted. What aspects or asteroids would we look for? Can astrological indicators be found in the charts to show a prodigy? Let's take a look. Here are charts for the 3 (no birth times). Kieron:
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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted August 13, 2010 01:37 PM
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Glaucus
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posted August 13, 2010 01:42 PM
without birthtimes, it's hard to seethe first chart that you posted has Sun-Mars conjunction in Leo oppose Neptune, and that would indicate highly self expressive,imaginative He was born on August 4th which is the same birthday as President Obama Sun-Earth-Neptune Node alignment happens during that time every year.
A strong collective Neptune influence. There is a strong potential to be a public figure with personal contacts to the heliocentric and geocentric nodes of Neptune. 2002 is the year that transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Quaoar was discovered. It's named after the Native American Tongva Creation God who was said to create through song and dance. The object is said to be associated with inspiration and creativity.
2001 was the year that transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Ixion was discovered
2000 was the year that transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Varuna was discovered.
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raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 01:50 PM
Actually, my first child will be a prodigy. All it takes is intense repetitious programming while they are in the womb.If you want your kid to be playing concerts by the age of 7, play classical piano for them everyday before they come into the world. As for the painters, I guess they introduced them to it very young. It's not that difficult to make a child a prodigy, you have to be smart yourself though. No doubt. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted August 13, 2010 01:56 PM
Yeah.Think of Tiger Woods being taught golf at an early age by his father Martina Hingis was raised to be the next Martina Navratilova, and she was even named after her.
Tatum O'Neal who was the youngest to win an oscar is the daughter of actor, Ryan O'Neal.
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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted August 13, 2010 02:04 PM
For musical talent, I would start with Venus/Taurus/Libra and Neptune/Pisces. Venus for the Arts, and Taurus particularly for singing since it rules the throat. Neptune/Pisces because music transcends language and is associated with the domain of emotions and the soul. Neptune is often also considered the higher octave of Venus. For asteroids, Pallas, Musa, Orpheus perhaps? Kieron has often been compared to Monet. Asteroid 6676 is Monet and is his chart is located at 5'34" Gemini and is exact square his Musa in 5'44" Pisces (interestingly enough Monet is one of my favorite artists and in the process of this research I have discovered Monet is exact conjunct my Sun  ) Musa is located at 11'30" Scorpio in Emily's chart, and if noon is her birth time it is exactly conjunct her ASC but what are the odds? Unfortunately we'll have to disregard that angle conjunction. She is frequently compared to Mozart. Asteroid 1034 Mozartia is located at 7'23" Cancer which is conjunct her Jupiter but I'm not sure if this is a valid asteroid. The names are similar. Jackie's Orpheus is located at 25'29" Cancer and is exact conjunct her Mercury. She is often compared to Maria Callas. Asteroid 170 Maria is retrograde at 14'29" Libra in her chart and square her Musa at 12'14" Cancer. Sabians for their Suns: Kieron 11'54" Leo (An Evening Party Of Adults On A Lawn Illumined By Fancy Lanterns) Jackie 20'06" Aries (A Pugilist Enters The Ring) Emily 7'23" Virgo (A Five-Year-Old Child Takes A First Dancing Lesson)
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Glaucus
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posted August 13, 2010 02:07 PM
You also have to consider what about people born on the same day as them. Are they just like them too. Probably not...the differences in houses,ascendant,and Midheaven would reflect that.------------------
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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted August 13, 2010 02:07 PM
Actually Raspberri, what I find interesting is that of the 3, only Emily seems to have a family that introduced her to her craft at an "early age". Both Kieron and Jackie discovered their talents pretty recently, within the last 2 years. Keiron's parents aren't painters, Jackie's parents aren't musicians.Emily does have the benefit of a grandmother who is a renowned piano teacher with lots of professional contacts to develop her. She might have been pushed a bit but you can't deny her natural talents. The other two just came out of nowhere though. IP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl
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posted August 13, 2010 02:08 PM
That's true Raymond, and unfortunately without birth time we don't have the houses so we're missing some critical info. I was actually surprised I was able to get birth data on all three, it amazes me what people put on the internet about their kids these days.IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 02:13 PM
Just because the parents weren't involved in the craft doesn't mean they couldn't have taught them.Without the birthtime it's impossible to judge like Raymond said. And maybe those two years were intense like I said. It's not difficult. It just takes time and intelligence. Children can absorb things like a sponge. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted August 13, 2010 02:17 PM
what happens if nature does not gift you with a prodigy?will you torment that poor soul for not being your ideal of perfection all its life? IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 02:18 PM
Hello????I am not the type of person who relys on nature. And I'm a Cancer Sun I will never torment my child. We humans have the potential to change our genes just by the foods we choose to eat. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted August 13, 2010 02:25 PM
its just you have a preconception that your child will be perfect,you are not alone in that, many parents have children as a way of fixing a problem they see wrong with themselves. *coming of age stories where the child rebels against the parents because he or she isnt what the parents want them to be. I would feel awful coming into the world with people expecting something from me as a child. IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 02:29 PM
I didn't say they will be perfect, I'm not perfect!!!But I can make my child a superior one by eating a raw food diet during my pregnancy and playing classical piano everyday while in the womb. What child wouldn't want a parent to do that? IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted August 13, 2010 03:01 PM
Where is your proof that will make a genius prodigy baby anyways?And do genius prodigy babies come only from parents that do this? If so how did genius prodigy babies come before we knew that magic formula. I didnt notice boby flay put a new cookbook out, "make a genius prodigy baby in 30 minutes or less" Add a lil this, lil that and wazaaa.. genius baby And i think germany tried making "Superior" people once too. If you have a REAL formula for making genius babies why are you not marketing it and selling the idea, That would be so hollywood. I would have heard of this on the local news. "hollywood girl makes genius formula tonight at 11" "intense repititous programming" getting the lil guy or girl started early for there super high profile career. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted August 13, 2010 03:19 PM
Cancerian suns just torment their friends lol
I'm joking although my cancerian friend drives me nuts with her demanding ways!Personally, I'd look at the draconics. Past lives gave a lot to do with present life early talent from what I have observed.
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Lara
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posted August 13, 2010 03:27 PM
Intense repetitious training sounds horrific. I love watching my kids find their way in life when they are ready without any mother oven pinging saying 'time's up!'Kieron Isn't comparable to Monet in my view. He's a paint by numbers type. He's good for his age but I don't see him as being an expressionist painter. Hitler tried to create a nation of blue-eyed blondes of high intelligence but they all become neurotic insecure nightmare adults and emotionally very demanding. I'd hate to have a genius who was talked about, pawed over and publicised. Children are just that; let them be as such and smile as much as they smile, laugh as much as they do and rediscover the world through innocent unpolluted eyes and hearts.
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lechien
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posted August 13, 2010 03:28 PM
of course, perhaps it requires intense training as well, but also the child has to love what he/she's getting taught, and a bit more of something. i remember this school mate of mine in elementary school. her parents were obsessed of making her into a genius pianist. i lived around the corner from their house and every time i passed it, there was piano music record spinning, or she was practising. i haven't heard that she has become a pianist. i think she became a piano teacher at her best. i also read that in some of far Eastern Asian countries, they are obsessed of child education. most of the times they create overly stressed, at times neurotic children who don't live their childhoods right. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted August 13, 2010 03:34 PM
Venus and Serena Williams are perfect examples of intense parental pressure.
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Diablo
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posted August 13, 2010 03:37 PM
Apparently I was a gifted child when I was little. Like, really talented in dance, drawing, painting, sculpture, got into fashion design, photography, writing essays, poetry, short novels, children's books(very gifted with words, could be that Sun conj mars aspect that Glaucus mentioned. I did get the highest score English in my last year in high school) as well as an above average IQ, also I'm good at learning and understanding different languages (if I bothered to stick to one) buuuuut I stuffed up and never really continued with any of it until I reached a certain stage.
It could be because my 3rd house is ruled by Gemini, jane of all trades, master of none.Parents never pushed me. But at the same time they never encouraged me to be competitive or be the best. Right now I'm thinking of training myself up in pole dancing to become a teacher as well as a choreographer for showgirls and I've met someone who can get me into burlesque dancing. Yep, Taurus Venus & Libra moon. 3rd house Sun & Mars. I love any kind of art.
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Mblake81
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posted August 13, 2010 03:38 PM
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katatonic
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posted August 13, 2010 04:02 PM
the chart of another child prodigy. this one died at the age of 36...because he'd already done so much perhaps?
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/JvVs4tY8TBz3.htm my own music career started at age 3. my dad was a piano player and i insisted on playing along so a teacher was found right quick to divert me...in retrospect i would have liked LESS training and more fun with music in those years. i don't believe in pushing our own aspirations on children. though i think most are pretty safe from being turned into little clone/robots...they will throw off the traces when they get big enough to speak up for themselves. and the parents will probably pay the price in alienation then! IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted August 13, 2010 04:11 PM
Mblake81 , just tell me how your parents raised you and I will make sure I do everthing opposite of that.I just took a gander at your chart and It's so funny that I have always had a repulsion toward Scorpios. IP: Logged |
Mblake81
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posted August 13, 2010 04:26 PM
rasberri i dont hate you.Im sorry you feel repulsion, its natural. and i dont understand whats funny about it, can you help me understand your point of view please? IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted August 13, 2010 04:32 PM
sheeshmaybe I should feel repulsed toward raspberri
I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio
somebody has serious personalities issues if he/she is repulsed by people because of their sunsigns
I am one of those people that can't stand Sunsign Astrology and the generalizations because the prejudice that it can cause......a form of astro-racism.
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