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Topic: Child Prodigies
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raspberri Knowflake Posts: 746 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted August 14, 2010 03:31 PM
^ Is that a fact?IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3169 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 03:42 PM
You know something wonderful about Scorpio men? They can handle hard things. I love that you can't be a phony with them. You may as well put away your pretenses cuz they are not gonna fly with a Scorpio guy. In my younger days, I was afraid of them for this reason. I was not an intentional phony but I was not real cuz I did not know how to come out from under the mask. Now, I am the opposite. I want to pull the mask off with all my might--even though it is hard and scary. A Scorpio man WANTS that type of woman. It is the only one he will take, really. Ami ------------------ To will to be the self which one truly is,is indeed,the opposite of despair. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 4344 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 03:51 PM
YikesRaspberri, that comment about kids being only what parents teach and show them is a bit too scary for me and having had 3 kids and not shown them how to do anything, they are all observant, curious and bright young things. I have to say that kids are more able than you give them credit for. Kids are a smarter yet less experienced version of adults. They are free of all the crap adults have and they live from their hearts! Somehow I dot think they learn much f this from adults lol IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 746 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted August 14, 2010 03:53 PM
If you agree that children and people are conditioned by their experiences in life you will agree that children gain knowledge good or bad from their parents.Think about it. IP: Logged |
Musette Knowflake Posts: 348 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 03:57 PM
quote: The thing is such Souls should never be coerced into achieving what the parents may have missed, and they are sure to do good on a colossal scale. Swami Vivekananda was born to an Aristocratic family, he did not take up the family business but was very much a child prodigy and ultimately achieved greatness.
Ah, Swami Vivekananda did achieve greatness and I enjoy his writings very much. I think this brings up an issue that the word "prodigy" actually is used in many different ways. My thoughts and points about prodigies have been about young children who are gifted in one particular art and focused on developing their talent in an ambitious (often aggressive) manner by their parent(s). Vivekananda was an intellectual and spiritual genius, and that is something that of course lasts through adulthood. Also, it is important to note that his parents influenced him to be intellectual and spiritual, but he was never placed in a position to be the family wage-earner as so many artistic prodigies have been. His parents gave him freedom to explore many areas, and as a result he was well-rounded and highly functioning as a child and as an adult. quote: chidren are not blank slates upon which we imprint our blessings/curses. they are fully aware souls even before birth.
I agree with this, if only because this view actually demonstrates respect for the child. Children have their own personalities and life paths, and too many times I have seen parents not respect that. I cringe when someone uses the phrase "I am molding my child to..." or "I am conditioning my child to..." The best a parent can do is to provide a home and resources that can support the child in the manner that will best serve them to live whatever life they were meant to live.Ami, you are right that Scorpio can handle hard things (in general - it depends on the specific chart!). I think it's because Scorpio knows they can transform hard things, like how Glaucus can take something that would hold someone else back in some way and transform it in to an advocacy that helps other people. They don't always transform it in a positive way (although to be clear, Glaucus absolutely has) but they will transform it in a way that serves them. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 4193 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 03:58 PM
shrugs I don't know about this "Scorpio"I think that it's different with me because of my very strong Neptune influence and Pisces Moon that squares Neptune as well as the strong Sedna influence. all my Scorpio planets are influenced by Neptune or Pisces Sun trine Moon in Pisces Mercury parallel Neptune Venus parallel Neptune I can definitely wear rose-colored glasses at times. I can be generous to a fault and be taken advantage of, especially when my sympathy is aroused. I've been a real sucker for people with problems including especially females.
I think that there is a "rescue damsels in distress" thing with me I even have Moon conjunct the asteroid Lancelot with only 3 minutes of arc, and that says it all about "the knight in shining armor that rescues the damsel in distress" Of course, Lancelot's mythological theme is more complexed than that - he was abducted and raised by the otherworldly Lady of the Lake and didn't know his parents, he didn't know his name until after he became a knight, got raped by Elaine and begat Galahad as a result, fell in love/had an affair with his best friend and lord,King Arthur's wife,Guinevere which was intrumental in breaking up the Knights of the Round Table,he went mad for 2 years after a falling out with Guinevere over Elaine, and he died as a religious,repentant hermit. There is like Pisces Moon,Moon-Neptune theme to Lancelot I also don't think that I can handle hard things easily. A matter of fact, I have always been prone to stress and can easily overwhelmed. That's why I have diagnosed Generalized Anxiety Disorder. I think that is more due to the ultrasensitivity that I have which some would say are sensory integration issues. My mom is exactly the same way as me. From what my mom told me, my biological father was too.
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3169 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 04:12 PM
Dear Musette, Pdf found my correct ASC. It is Scorpio not Libra. I never fit the Libra ASC chart. Astrologers would say "What a lovely chart" and act like I had a charmed life lol I could not grow with Astrology until I got my correct chart. Then, all the houses changed and there I was in black and white . Since then, I can see how my life was one transformation after another. I was forced to transform or die. I really died, in that I gave up. Now, I am transforming. It is a coming back to who you really are, an uncovering of the you ,you shoved away cuz you thought you had to wear a shiny face. All you had to wear the whole time was your own face. x o x Ami
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 4782 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 05:54 PM
yes, rasp, kids do learn and pick up things from their parents. that is a long way down the road from "kids are only who they are from what they see and learn from their parents". and yes, that's a fact.unfortunately for those whose parents think, as you do, that it is all down to what the parents do, which interferes with the development of most children. not that we can't guide them, but much of the stress and damage of parenting is from an overemphasis on parental responsiblity for the child's character. they are not programmable dolls. IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 746 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted August 14, 2010 06:05 PM
It's really unfortunate that you can't understand what I'm saying here so I will stop trying.IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3169 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 06:18 PM
I think what people are trying to say, Rasperri , is that it is fine to give a child all the advantages such as classical music in the womb but it is not ok to want the child to be for you---to be something in this world to enhance you. The child is his own person, his own unique being who has to UNFOLD. You ,the parent,are there to help him unfold not to CREATE him in your image. Ami
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 4782 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 06:27 PM
a great deal of abuse is doled out in the mistaken belief that parents can "form" a child. christians trying to beat the devil out of their kids. smart cards using up their exploring time. activities keeping them "busy" at all times lest they have an original thought.and of course you will have to deal with the well-meaning (or not) others who think you MUST teach this or that, be it manners, study habits, whatever. people who swear and ignore the bare minimum of courtesy who keep telling their kids to say please and thank you and cover your mouth when you cough...all basically a waste of time. a mannerly parent will role model without having to drill. nothing wrong with listening to classical music while pregnant, talking to your child, eating well, all the above. just don't expect your child to be a prodigy because of this. you will be giving them a calm healthy environment but most is up to them! just trying to say don't underestimate the NATURAL genius of children which is generally completely stifled by the time they are 7... IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 1045 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 06:35 PM
The gist is that there's a huge difference bringing up your children by your morals and values, and trying to mold them into your image. This is probably another big reason I have never had a strong desire to have children of my own, despite working with them on a daily basis. Because truth be told, I would just be clueless. IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 226 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 14, 2010 08:39 PM
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3169 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 14, 2010 08:46 PM
Wow, Mblake You are a heavy dude, in the best sense of the word  x o x Ami
PS That is it --exactly --about the EGO dying, Mblake. It is all about that but I don't have to tell YOU cuz that is what you are saying,I think. ------------------ To will to be the self which one truly is,is indeed,the opposite of despair.
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 4344 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 15, 2010 12:54 PM
Cool.The only thing I wanna say about this is that if you subscribe to the ego in another; you are are nothing but it's slave in yourself. As far as kids go, parents genetically shape kids bit I think that their peers at school affect kids far greater than at home. Habits and patterns are learnt through the subconscious early years and home for sure. IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 226 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 15, 2010 03:00 PM
What do you mean by the slave comment lara?im just curious IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 4782 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 15, 2010 03:15 PM
this person was shaped more by her grandfather than her parents, genetically and by conditioning...in fact she went totally against the family grain but became more like the family "rock" with each passing year in the way she looked, did things, spoke, everything. she adored him and not so much her own parents...the granpa was also considered a family failure when young! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfRl3go8C48 IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 746 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted August 16, 2010 12:36 PM
Actually I can debate with you all day and I would most likely win.You see I have what you call an intolerance for stupidity. It's funny that you are mistaking my not caring to pursue this with a deer caught in headlights. Funny! IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 746 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted August 16, 2010 12:38 PM
And I don't hate Scorpois I just said I don't get on well with them. There is nothing that anyone is going to prove me wrong about when it comes to what I'm saying about children and the way they learn and process information. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 4193 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 16, 2010 01:28 PM
** many plutos are knocking the legs out from under that foundation.**In a way, I agree. There are many transneptunians objects in space, and so there are many transneptunians in our charts influencing our lives. The transneptunian dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates especially have influence in our lives. Of course, Pluto is one of them. It's widely accepted that it has influence in our lives. Many transneptunians are knocking the legs out from under that foundation. Transneptunian objects are said to be old remnants of the solar system.
Therefore, the transneptunian objects don't just represent the future due to their discoveries in modern times,but they also represent the past due to being old remnants of the solar system. ------------------ Raymond Andrews, President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 226 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 16, 2010 01:46 PM
"It's really unfortunate that you can't understand what I'm saying here so I will stop trying"I can understand frustration when expressing a point of view. Try some more and give more information please. "Actually I can debate with you all day and I would most likely win." K, what do you win? "You see I have what you call an intolerance for stupidity" Yeah.anyway. "It's funny that you are mistaking my not caring to pursue this with a deer caught in headlights. Funny!" Some part of you cares or you wouldn't need to say anything else. "And I don't hate Scorpois I just said I don't get on well with them. " Again, lack of tolerance for stupidity right? hard to know with you. "There is nothing that anyone is going to prove me wrong about when it comes to what I'm saying about children and the way they learn and process information" Im just expressing my own mind, i cant speak for others in this. But if you are so threatened by another persons view how do you get along in life? Is this your self defense acting up? IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 746 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted August 16, 2010 02:00 PM
I love that I press your buttons.IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 226 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 16, 2010 02:08 PM
That would mean im upset right.*Edit Have a good life Raspberri. IP: Logged |
Peri Knowflake Posts: 1166 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 16, 2010 02:10 PM
well said Mblake  IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3169 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 16, 2010 02:16 PM
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