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Topic: Once again: Revolutionizing the 6th.
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teasel
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posted August 23, 2010 01:34 AM
 
Ami, I think that Venus in the 7th would explain your strong urge to want a partner. (do you remember what you said about partnering up with an agoraphobic?  ) Nine years ago, I used my Italian language CD's/books (that were somehow lost, unfortunately) to get through being alone for at least twelve hours, as my parents drove my sister up to Canada, to spend time with her boyfriend. I used it as a way to distract myself (to not feel so alone) and to not worry about them being on the road so long.  Saturn is in my 9th, squaring my Aries Mercury in the 6th. Planets in your 10th might add a grounding aspect, because it's ruled by Capricorn. *edit. The first thing I tend to get done, when coming out of a depressive episode (like when the flower essences kick in), is the dishes/cleaning the counters, or the laundry. When my Uncle was a teenager, he went into a huge depression and was afraid to get out of bed - it had something to do with his heart, and the fear that it would just give out on him... they ended up sending him away to a place where they put him to work from the time he got up, until the time he went to bed - if he didn't make it to breakfast, then he had to wait until lunchtime to eat. I just remembered that, what with the Aries moon thread, and this one. IP: Logged |
fatinkerbell
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posted August 23, 2010 03:25 AM
I associate the sixth house with the daily work routine so maybe Virgo can be about routine? My experience of Virgo is: very critical and also conservative. Mentally precise. But anyway the routine thing is one thing I would emphasize ... I have Pluto in Virgo and I can sometimes be a bit obsessive about routine ... like for example I often come to LL at 4pm Korea time and cram my daily 30 minutes of random astrology ... ------------------
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fatinkerbell
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posted August 23, 2010 03:29 AM
oops ... I actually have Pluto in Libra but it's in the 6th house so since I aint got nothing in Virgo as far as the major traditional personal planets go that's sort of the best way for me to understand the Virgo energy ... ??------------------
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Ami Ann
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posted August 23, 2010 04:38 AM
Teasel
Bring it on!
x o Ami ------------------
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Benedict Moon*
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posted August 23, 2010 06:59 AM
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I associate the sixth house with the daily work routine so maybe Virgo can be about routine? My experience of Virgo is: very critical and also conservative. Mentally precise. But anyway the routine thing is one thing I would emphasize ... I have Pluto in Virgo and I can sometimes be a bit obsessive about routine ... like for example I often come to LL at 4pm Korea time and cram my daily 30 minutes of random astrology ...
Yeah, routine, daily work, and service orientated were the token descriptions I was trying to get away from with this thread. They have their basis, but they're really limiting as personality traits IMO. The purpose of this thread was to broaden our perspective of the 6th Sign of the Zodiac. I realize now I probably confused people when I put 6th at the top of the thread, but that's what I intended. IP: Logged |
Sunia
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posted August 23, 2010 07:17 AM
I have a acting itching bug inside me for awhile now, since I was a child... I am 25 now and I have performed in stage but as a dancer...Nowadays, I have been thinking more seriously of attending a Method Acting course or Drama course but something is holding me back. I don't seem to make up my mind career wise. My 6th house is in Taurus. My True Node, Lilith/Black Moon and Pholus are on the 6th house as well.
I have no planets in the 10th house but I have Virgo there. Any hints would really be appreciated . IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted August 23, 2010 07:48 AM
For now I want to stick to brainstorming Virgo traits; the 6th house is just confusing things. IP: Logged |
fatinkerbell
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posted August 23, 2010 07:26 PM
Aha! Get it : ) Sorry Benedict ... So actually I might have some alternative thoughts on the 6th sign, Virgo energy ... in fact why I clicked on this thread is because I don't really have a good understanding of Virgo. In my own natal chart I tend to mix up signs and houses sometimes because my rising is Aries and most of my houses correspond to the signs anyway so I do have 6th house part virgo and part libra. I don't really get Libra either ... these signs opposite my ascendent are a bit of a mystery to me, especially as the planets I have there are outer ones like Pluto and Uranus. However, I base many of my associations with Tarot readings I've done using the 12 house method and there too the sixth seems to be my blind spot. So maybe I'm actually the ideal person to describe a new take on Virgo because I interpret with reference to other points in the 12 house structure and I don't know that many Virgoans really ... well probably I do but I don't generally work out people's horoscopes anymore so much. Anyways, how I would then try to alternatively 'define' the sixth is to make it the opposite of the 12th. The latter for me is the clue to your secret weaknesses and how you tend to sabotage yourself, because it is sort of the unconscious house at the deepest level, almost the collective unconscious, where your destiny works itself out through all kinds of weird inversions and so on. So if Virgo/ 6th is the opposite of that I would say that maybe it could be the house/ sign of your secret strengths, latent talents, whatever? I don't know if that makes sense but I sort of like the sound of it. ------------------
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Unmoved
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posted August 23, 2010 07:48 PM
I was about to write about the entertainment side of Virgo. They always say that Gemini are mimickers but I know many Virgo people who are too, including myself, therefore, this has to be a Mercurial trait and not just exclusive to Gemini. So, on that note: Virgo:
-performers (acting, music, etc) For example, I have a tendency to sound like the people I am around. It's the oddest thing to observe, so much so that I don't know what my "real" accent is, really. I have absorbed so much. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted August 24, 2010 05:54 PM
Fatinkerbell: Cool! You read tarot too? What card do you associate with Virgo? Because that's another good way to look at it. I admit that Im a little unimaginative and associate Virgo with its traditional card, "The Hermit". But when I think of the card, I think of a higher octave of '4 of swords'. So its definitely a healing card for a healing sign. Also, why do people go on retreats? Why do hermits become hermits? All of those are Virgo issues. I agree with the 'greatest strength' theory too because as we've discovered, Virgo has to do with 'skill'. Its where you pay attention to detail. Thanks for bringing this up!
Unmoved: Of course Virgos are the true performers (while Leonine are the show people, as DD said)....just look at Michael Jackson for example. For almost his entire life, he was the ultimate performer (forced, I know...). And thanks for reminding me of the mimicking, because that reminds me why sometimes I'll confuse Virgos I come across for Geminis...LOL.
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fatinkerbell
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posted August 24, 2010 06:33 PM
Well BenMoon, it's funny that you should ask about which Tarot card I personally associate with Virgo ... I must have been picking up on your question because strangely enough I've been asking myself that ever since yesterday! Weird! Anyway, the one that I came up with is the traditional Rider Waite number 8 major arcana, strength. The reason being it shows a young woman gently 'controlling' a lion by sort of stroking his head or just by her calming presence. So I've been thinking, Mmmm ... Virgo ... I mean if you start with the meaning "virgin" it could be that you could say she symbolizes someone who is stronger than her own passions ... what I mean by that is that Virgo might represent will power .... the obvious and sort of prima facie idea being abstinence in the carnal sense, but in a broader sense it can be like Demi Moore in GI Jane resisting sleep while the guys around her are all nodding off ... I mean we all have certain "natural" needs/ desires like food sleep and in my case nicotine (haha) and some people are better at resisting the urge to "give in" to their "animal" nature. Well these days that is not seen as an entirely good thing but actually if you think about it it is ... because if you make a resolution to do whatever at some point you're gonna face the temptation to give up on your resolution and maybe the strength of Virgo is that while tempted they are strong enough not to yield. So that's why the number 8 card makes me think of it ... people usually think "strength" is being like a lion, charging, biting, etc. However strength may actually be the ability to control your own inner lion and NOT have it charge instinctively. And this control is gentle, without ropes and ties to restrain the animal ... more like your own inner animal trusts you and therein lies your power. OK let's see if I can find a pic to post ....------------------
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fatinkerbell
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posted August 24, 2010 06:36 PM
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Unmoved
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posted August 24, 2010 06:36 PM
*applause*tinkerbell babes, that was deep!  IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted August 24, 2010 06:40 PM
Wow I agree, that is some wonderful insight, tinkerbell! I'm gonna leave it at that though, before I overanalyze it to death. IP: Logged |
fatinkerbell
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posted August 24, 2010 06:46 PM
As for the hermit that is of course also a good example ... I'm a huge fan of hermitage! I didn't know that it was associated with Virgo, actually if I have some time I'll check up a bit because there are sure to be many cards besides the hermit that link to virgo, like in the thoth deck, which is very complicated, many cards actually represent such and such a planet in virgo and so on; mmm yes the four of swords does resonate with me as Virgo like ... it's one where a person, someone like a knight or something, lies prone with a sword in (her?) hand and three other swords pictured above her ... the idea of calmness during waiting comes to me but that may be because it's sort of something I'm struggling with myself, since I am Miss Impatient. So ja, like retreats and temporarily isolating yourself in order to gain energy ... could be quite Virgoan ... also the archetypes in history of for instance Elizabeth the virgin queen and even Joan of Arc support this idea of someone who gains a lot in power and strength by doing the no-partner, me myself and I thing ... What I mean is that maybe Virgo represents not so much the traditional "purity" as much as like "dedication" to a higher purpose ... ???? ------------------
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fatinkerbell
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posted August 24, 2010 06:48 PM
Hey what you guys doing up? You'all should be asleep!! Anyways I'm going over to Facebook now to yield to my "let's lose lots of poker chips again today" urge! Anyway Hi Unmoved long time no hear and ciao for now!------------------
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Benedict Moon*
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posted August 24, 2010 07:20 PM
Its 7pm here, Its not time to sleep....but I DEFINITELY should be studying now.
For now I must go, but I REALLY appreciate the insights you've both given today. 
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Benedict Moon*
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posted August 25, 2010 10:21 PM
Okay, in response to you Tinkerbell, yes Hermitage is generally associated with the Virgo/Pisces axis and sometimes even Sagittarius....all three for very different and valid reasons. Virgo's the only one of the three that I've ever heard of associated with the Hermit in Tarot though.
Moar: my favorite Tarot deck (Scapini) associates Virgo with the Empress. Now usually I would go with Taurus, but I can see how Virgo works too. Sometimes I think of Virgo as just a more nervous (read: mutable) and intellectual version of Taurus. When Virgo's immediate 'crisises' are taken care of, it can be just as mellow and earthy as Taurus. And the Empress to me can be likened to many of the earth goddesses associated with Virgo IMO. The Empress is a very soothing and healing card (in a positive context) to me, just as Virgo is.
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Benedict Moon*
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posted September 02, 2010 09:13 PM
Another lightbulb moment: The two places I feel most at home, besides my physical house, is at my job and at the bookstore.
There's health, healing, and intellect in action for a Virgo Moon...LOL.
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teasel
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posted November 02, 2010 11:00 PM
I haven't read this whole thing. I thought I'd post it here and come back to it: http://planetwaves.net/astrology/virgoastrology.html IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted November 03, 2010 07:34 AM
That was a cool read, I especially liked this line...
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Virgo signifies a "study where books are, a closet, a dairy-house, cornfields, granaries, malt-houses, hayricks, or of barley, wheat or peas, or a place where cheese and butter are preserved and stored up." This sign, in its worldly expression, is about food and its preservation, and food for the mind.
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Chryseis
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posted November 03, 2010 07:14 PM
Just thinking about the tarot ideas for Virgo. I too have seen stuff about the Hermit and Virgo and I am totally attracted to hermitic themes as a Virgo myself. In a book on the Mythic Tarot, which I will often refer to for the Myths that may be associated with the cards, they say that the Hermit is Cronos. Cronos, is associated with the Roman God, Saturn. Cronos, as the Hermit, 'augurs a time of aloneness or withdrawal from the extroverted activities of life, so that the wisdom of patience may be acquired'. I think it can be seen that having patience, biding time, and the associated age themes of Saturn and Capricorn may validate a connection to the Hermit. When I think of the cards associated chiefly with Virgo in the tarot, I think of The Lovers, which surprises me initially, and the Page of Pentacles. In an old book that I have on Virgo, the author says that Virgo is the 'Critic and the Craftsperson' and that it is from these ideas that spring forth the labels of perfectionist. It also says that sometimes Virgos sit in judgement of the world. In relation to the craftsman, this is where the author mentions the astrological tradition of Virgo's true ruler, supposedly, Vulcan, as Linda G. has said too. Vulcan was the Greek God of brilliant craftsmanship in working with precious metals into intricate jewellery and ornaments. Vulcan was also, like Chiron myth, said to be lame due to an accident in childhood, and this is why tradition says that many Virgos have one foot turned slightly inward as they walk. Anyhow, getting back to what I said about my feel for an association of Virgo with The Lovers card, in the Mythic Tarot, the Trojan prince, Paris, is commanded by Zeus to judge a beauty contest between three goddessess - Hera, Aphrodite and Athene. (This could lend itself to the discriminatory faculty or Virgo). Anyway, it is a card of choosing and looking at the implications of one's choice - now I would have thought choice, particularly in love or with values etc would be the realm of Libra, and it could well be, because The Lovers card is only a musing of mine. However, continuing... Virgo, is associated with the Virgin, and traditionally few people measure up to the Virgo ideal for choice of partner. The Virgo temperament is thought to be picky, choosy, and to be fault finders. One could say that this trait is connected to a painfully agonising and internal, self deprecation. As in The Lovers card, much a Virgo self deprecation certainly includes, like in the myth of Paris and the beauty contest, a wrangling over physical perfection. In the minor arcana, I feel the Page of Pentacles is also Virgo. Again, in the Mythic Tarot, we now have Triptolemus a boy who had witnessed the rape of Persephone by Hades. Demeter, the Earth Mother, and mother of Persephone rewarded Triptolemus for his information about her daughter's disappearance. The rewards were the mysteries of nature and the death and regeneration of life through the seasonal cycles. Demeter also supplied the boy with seed-corn, a wooden plough, and a serpent-drawn chariot, and then sent him all over the world to teach mankind the art of agriculture. So yeah, these are only ideas that I had, then I had a bit of a look to see if I could find any validity to them.
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teasel
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posted November 03, 2010 07:19 PM
In the Pagan Tarot (Gina Pace), the Hermit is a girl surrounded by books, reading/studying. I still don't have the deck, but it's one that I've always been interested in. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted November 03, 2010 07:22 PM
Temple prostitutes were considered virgins too. Let's not get too literal on the Virgo thing. Page of Pentacles? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz lol Sorry, it's like the most boring card in the tarot EVER (besides the 3 of Pentacles)
The Hermit, fine, I associate with it. But only on a very superficial level. And even because of my 12th house moon. My tarot card is the Chariot (numerology) and I resonate much more with it than with the Hermit. In addition it's also the card of Cancer, which interestingly, is where my Sun/Moon midpoint is!
It makes a lot more sense to me, astrologically, and metaphysically. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted November 03, 2010 08:08 PM
Interesting, Chryseis. The way you explained Virgo to the Lovers intrigued me. Its almost the complete opposite of Gemini with the Lovers. Maybe they both have some claim to this card: Gemini being the indecisive side of this card, and Virgo representing the discriminating side.
And the description of the Page of Pentacles in Mythic Tarot sounds amazing. I love it!!!  Its such an underrated card sometimes. We need more Page of Pentacles in this world, especially with the direction the younger generation is headed to. *shudders*
The hermit I love as a card because it represents the spiritual retreat, that special place that you go to to find inner piece. The girl with the books illustration is awesome, I think I'll check it out.
God, now I want to be alone with my Decks. 
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