posted August 21, 2010 04:03 PM         

Okay, in my original post I expressed that as a Virgo Moon I believe the descriptions for Virgoan placements are just limiting and unimaginative, and is a large part of the issue of people being able to identify with their Virgoan energy. I believe we have hobbies, interests, and LIVES and are not walking broomsticks/mops, maids, butlers, and nagging moms/wives.

SO, I propose a brainstorm project in which we find overlooked and new traits to associate with Virgo based on astrological knowledge and even personal experiences. I started with:

-The intellectual leaning Virgo would obviously share in common with its Mercurial Cousin Gemini.
-Its love/affinity with Nature as an Earth Sign
-The Sensuality it would obviously have as an earth sign
-the excellent culinary skills that I have often seen alot of Virgo Influenced turn into a wonderful hobby. They seem to have this in common with Taurus and Cancer.

posted August 21, 2010 04:06 PM         

Ami

posted August 21, 2010 05:05 PM         

somehow I knew your would take the "bait".

lol

Well, 6th house is a Mercurial one; moveable earth.
The theme of 6th house is "reflexive adaption to circumstance": Everything else is derived from there.

It means that 6th house people are great observer.

Another way to look at it, is that it is the moveable house in the 2nd quadrant.
Moveable houses are about "expression" that becomes visible to others.
2nd quadrant is the "emotional quadrant".
So in the 6th house the emotional quadrant becomes visible to other.
BUT that means that 6th house people have to consider possible reactions to their emotional expression. Will people welcome them or reject them?
So 6th house people learn to analyze their surroundings VERY closely, esistimate possible reactions of other people, and in turn learn to adapt themselves, show themselves in a manner that will probably ensure a personal security (and acceptance by others).
But this what they show of themselves, does not have to be their REAL and spontaneious emotional core (that would be more 4th and 5th house), but their emotions that have gone throug a "filter".

Which is exactly what actors do, at least certain kinds of actors, probably those who are not acting from an inside instinct, but more from having analysed their characters before.

posted August 21, 2010 05:14 PM         

I might write more later.

*edit.

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But I'm always adapting and observing my surroundings. People that just met me are always wondering why I'm so quiet at first and then that Gemini Rising/Saggie sun comes out to play (then they probably wish I was the way I was when they first met me...lol)

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LOL. I've thought the same thing, concerning my Scorpio ascendant (even though it has Uranus conjunct), versus my Aries Sun/Gemini Moon.

When I was younger, I seriously thought about going away to an acting school, hoping it would help me to get past my social anxiety. I was agoraphobic (first real bout of it), wanting to break free of it, voice shaking on the phone a little, as I requested college catalogues.

posted August 21, 2010 05:33 PM         

I have it really bad when I go to the doctor- but it's b/c he thinks I'm bi-polar just b/c of my anxiety, which he wants me to try all these meds when my body is extra sensitive to them... grrr.

posted August 21, 2010 05:39 PM         

I know what you mean about it calming you down, though... and I should be meditating every day, but I don't - I either can't find my CD (one I finally found, had been trapped in an old laptop), or I fall asleep. :/

I was going to try the acting in 1995/96. Frightening how fast time goes. I used to love getting my hands dirty, though - I never used a wheel, but I made things with clay (when I was younger), and have been planning to make my own runes with some air-drying clay - I just need to buckle down and get busy. (I've had the clay since December.)

I took dancing classes as a child, which I *loved* - so much fun - but I had awful stage fright, too.

posted August 21, 2010 05:49 PM         

if I do sculpture I have to cut my nails all the way down. LOL

posted August 21, 2010 06:20 PM         

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Excellent idea. As a Virgo Sun and Virgo Venus, I am so over with the "clinical" descriptions.

Okay, here goes the brainstorming...

-healer (therapy, reiki, medicine etc.)
-Good with hands (crafts, cooking, art, massage)

I will try and think of more...

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posted August 21, 2010 06:45 PM         

The Virgo constellation was known as Demeter by the Greeks. Demeter is the Greek Goddess of the Harvest.

Ceres is the asteroid (1st discovered) Roman Goddess of the Harvest and is associated grains,food,nurturing,caring. Ceres was known as an earth goddess.

Vesta, the asteroid (4th one discovered) named Roman Goddess of the Sacred Hearth would also be a good ruler for Virgo. She was one of the virgin goddess. Vesta is associated with dedication,work,service.

Hygiea, the asteroid named after Greek Goddess of Health could be a good ruler for Virgo too. The word, hygiene comes from Hygiea.

I wrote the following when Ceres was considered to be re-instated as a planet when the astrolonomers were discussing about planetary criteria which led to both Ceres and Pluto being classed as dwarf planets. Ceres was classed as a planet along with Pallas,Juno,and Vesta for 40 years in 1800's.

Ceres being classifed as a planet could help Astrology. I see Ceres as
like a 2nd Moon because it is the asteroid of nurturing. Because of
that,I would always believed that it was another indicator for mother
just like Saturn is another indicator for father in Western Astrology.
I believe that it should rule Virgo/6th house. Ceres relates to eating
and food which is important for health. Without eating food,we would
have serious health problems. Virgo/6th house relate to health.

Virgo/6th house relate to service and work.I feel that nurturing is a
kind of service. It's a way of helping yourself or others. Helping and
work are often connected. Therefore, I feel that Virgo and Ceres share
service in common. Virgo is an earth sign,and Ceres an earth mother.
Ceres was Roman goddess of the harvest. According to Roman Mythology,without her things didn't grow and so Earth suffered.

These are the reasons that I feel Ceres should rule Virgo. I have Virgo
Ascendant,and I feel that Ceres would fit as the ruler of my chart. I never believed that Chiron ruled Virgo nor was my chart ruler. I definitely feel that if Astrologers accept Ceres as a planet like astronomers might do,then it's possible that Ceres will get the respect that it lacked it lacked from astrologers who focused more on the minor
planet,Chiron.

Of course,we have another female archetype to add to the list of
Planets. I welcome Ceres with a warm hug just like the nurturer she is.

the end

for an object that's over 900 km diameter, In Astrology, Ceres doesn't get much respect as Chiron which is less than 300 km in diameter. In Astronomy, Ceres is getting more respect, being promoted to dwarf planet and made equal to Pluto that was demoted to dwarf planet.
Solar Fire has house,sign,and aspect interpretations for Chiron. It has no aspect interpretations for Ceres.

There is now belief that Ceres originated from the kuiper belt just like Chiron. It's made from the same material as Pluto.

I have Moon in Pisces and Mars in Aquarius in 6th house. I have 6th house ruler Saturn (traditional ruler of Aquarius) square my Moon in 6th. Therefore, my Moon-6th house double whammy. My mom has a long history of health problems. Of course, cosmobiologists who don't use houses would just point out the fact my Moon squares Saturn-Neptune opposition (oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint), and hard Saturn-Neptune aspects and Saturn/Neptune midpoint are associated with serious health problems.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 21, 2010 07:48 PM         

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Another way to look at it, is that it is the moveable house in the 2nd quadrant.
Moveable houses are about "expression" that becomes visible to others.
2nd quadrant is the "emotional quadrant".
So in the 6th house the emotional quadrant becomes visible to other.
BUT that means that 6th house people have to consider possible reactions to their emotional expression. Will people welcome them or reject them?
So 6th house people learn to analyze their surroundings VERY closely, esistimate possible reactions of other people, and in turn learn to adapt themselves, show themselves in a manner that will probably ensure a personal security (and acceptance by others).
But this what they show of themselves, does not have to be their REAL and spontaneious emotional core (that would be more 4th and 5th house), but their emotions that have gone throug a "filter".

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I get what you mean now, because that's the exact same description alot of astrologers use for Virgo Moon concerning emotional expression. We only show people what we want to or what we feel is proper for that situation, using the methods you mentioned (analyzing and assessing the situation and people's possible reactions). Therefore, anyone who's skilled in that art would naturally be a true actor/actress.

Everyone else: good replies! I'll respond in full tommorow when I get the chance.

posted August 21, 2010 10:45 PM         

Racole: You reminded me of a late Virgo Classmate of mine. She was extremely artistically talented/creatively bent and it involved her attention to detail. I'd suspect that if she had gone with that, she wouldn't have lacked so much direction in her late teenage years. Regarding Neptune's relationship to the 6th/Virgo, I think I can solve that for you because my Virgo Moon is trined by Neptune in Cap. With that aspect, I can find the neptunian magic and escape in what other's would consider very ordinary/everyday. Now I'm not talking service or work, but maybe something like a cornfield, uninhabited land, or even the city.

Teasel: Poppy Montgomery, who plays Brenda, is actually a Virgo Sun. Good looking out! You seem to bring out the craftsmanship side of the 6th house too. Interesting you mention health AND animals too. That's another thing that's often overlooked: Virgo/6th house affinity with pets.

Unmoved: Im glad you mentioned the hands skills; that would be something related to Mercury I think since Gemini often likes using its hands too... but for airier motive (relating). And if I had a nickel for everyone with significant Virgo on my Unit, I could probably buy a car. We do tend to be healing oriented...with an intellectual leaning. Many of my co-worker love to educate their patients most of all.

posted August 22, 2010 09:09 AM         

Thanks so much
Ami

posted August 22, 2010 09:30 PM         

I agree somewhat. I believe that Ceres needs to be treated with a lot more respect though. It's far and away separate from all the other asteroids as the only asteroid that is a dwarf planet which means that it's equal to Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea which are also dwarf planets. It's 950 km in diameter which gives it enough mass for it to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium,making it round. Because it doesn't have enough mass to clear the main asteroid belt, it doesn't qualify as a planet. The 2nd largest asteroid,Pallas is 550 km in diameter. The 3rd largest asteroid,Vesta is 530 km in diameter. All 3 asteroids are considered to be protoplanets,and that separates from all the other asteroids.
Ceres is unique in that it shares similarities with Pluto in composition. It's thought to actually have traveled from the Kuiper Belt where Pluto resides. It is even thought that Pluto and Ceres use to be one body.

Chiron's diameter is 233 km in diameter,and so it is smaller than Ceres,Pallas,and Vesta. It doesn't come close to qualifying as dwarf planet. Chiron is now believed to have come from the kuiper belt which Pluto is a part of. Contrary to former popular belief, Chiron didn't originate from outside our system. After the kuiper belt was discovered which revealed many transneptunian objects and the true nature of Pluto, the centaurs and periodic comets are believed to originate from the kuiper belt.

I believe in the use of traditional rulers, and so I believe Mercury should stay ruler of Virgo no matter what.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 22, 2010 09:40 PM         

I was just thinking about how I don't like to cook, but I prefer home-made sauces, soups and the like (and despite hating being stuck in the kitchen, it feels good once you're cleaned up and consuming the fruit of your efforts. I have home-made spaghetti sauce and home-made ravioli on the stove right now - we're going to eat in a few minutes.)

I started to make my dog's food in January of 1998, when I think Saturn might still have been in Aries and my 6th house (I spent seven months researching a raw diet beforehand, and then just jumped into it). I did it because I wanted to do what was right for my pets, and what I'd heard about pet food scared me (as well as a more natural diet making sense - I'd always hated kibble, so they always had canned food as well as kibble).

When I spend time outside, it calms me down. I enjoy working in the garden - we've tried growing our own food again this year - and have produced a few healthy cucumbers, and some tomatoes (other things have been eaten by critters and are still fighting to properly produce and mature, or have been planted in the wrong setting - such as the lettuce.) Getting things done like that, make me feel better. It's more enjoyable to me, than sitting here in front of a computer (which ends up making me more tense, and creates more nervous energy, after a while - unless I'm having a laugh).

posted August 22, 2010 09:50 PM         

I have never actually took up serious gardening before but I remember discovering my inner green thumb during a 7th grade science project...LOL. We were growing vegetables and mine just sprouted like magic, they said...huehaha. My Virgo mother was an avid gardener when we still lived up North, but at the moment we rent so she can't really do it as liberally as she used to. Certain outdoor settings bring me a great sense of inner peace too.

posted August 23, 2010 01:29 AM         

8th house things ground me like writing about my feeling . I am sure that comes as no surprise .
I need a good reputation. I would be freaked out if I didn't lol. That is 10th house.
My onle houses with planets are 1st(just Saturn),7th(just Venus) and the rest in 8th, 9th and 10th.

x o x Ami
PS It would be interesting to do a thread on which activities ground you and does it correspond to houses.
I have a feeling it would.